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Makes sense I suppose. Your take on it?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3363492/A-helmet-two-halves-Radical-rear-access-shell-design-make-motorcycles-far-safer.html
Hmmmmmm. I think that a person would have to be careful to get exactly the right size. And specs wearers might find it a tad inconvenient. Yes, easier to get off in an accident situation, but why assume that you would be in such a situation...??
"The Vozz Helmet clicks together to close around the head, preventing it from coming off during impact". If a 'normal' helmet is correctly fitted this won't happen.
"The helmet also has directional visor stability, which keeps the helmet secure, and a lower-edge guard keeps wind from getting in and lifting the helmet off." Huh? Never heard of a correctly fitting helmet being blown off.......
The website isn't much help.
PS I dislike the Mail website intensely.......... why they have to fill the page with so much stuff is beyond me.
Given that most paramedics don't know how to remove most helmets, witness the one who bless 'er did the smart thing and asked how mine came off and how to open the front when she came across me at a show once, I would think this will be just another "different" type of helmet to confuse them. Here's a thought, take the helmet round the ambulance training schools.
Excellent concept tho' I'm not knocking it, anything that improves the chances of not ending up with a spinal injury is good in my book, saw too many wheelchairs at this years bike show.
Quote from: John Stenhouse on December 18, 2015, 03:48:04 PM
Excellent concept tho' I'm not knocking it, anything that improves the chances of not ending up with a spinal injury is good in my book, saw too many wheelchairs at this years bike show.
Good points, John. But I wonder how many of those who were inwheelchairs were riders who were 'hurt' after their accident, or were riders inappropriately helmet-ed at the time of their accident??
We have anti 'beanie' laws here in BC, which are not enforced, so a goodly number of the cruiser crowd still ride with metaphorical ashtrays on their heads.
My Son is a recently qualified Paramedic in Kent, UK. Ill see what his training (degree course) was.
Unfortunately he does have to "scrape" a fair few up, (his words).
Might be a learning opportunity
Ride safe
Phil
I think it will take a bit of getting used to as we all know the feel of a chinstrap, but I like the idea of wind not getting in and making a noise, and the idea of it snugly fitting your head. With a bit of time I think it would feel more natural than current helmets if it's light enough.
Interesting that no-one is worried about the actual clam bit. (I'm not either) engineering and materials are such that there sould be no doubt about it's safety.
It just clams from the rear rather that at the front like modular helmets
Quote from: Bixxer Bob on December 18, 2015, 08:43:55 PM
Interesting that no-one is worried about the actual clam bit. (I'm not either) engineering and materials are such that there sould be no doubt about it's safety.
We have to assume that it will meet or exceed the safety requirements for the places that it will be sold.
http://www.vozzhelmets.com/the-helmet.html
Cynical me (as usual) thinks: How many paramedics will be given the specific training required to get the helmet off? And will have a flat head screwdriver to hand? Note that you cannot pull it off straight up in an emergency situation.
And I cannot find a price anywhere in the website as we speak. Online ordering is counting down with 4 days or so to go. I have sent them an email asking for the price.
Well I like flip lids because I wear glasses, but hate the wind noise on long haul rides, I find that contributes hugely to fatigue. If this is quiet(er) with the convenience of a flip lid I'll be happy to give it a try.
WOW!! Got a reply within 5 minutes:
$888 Australian
$888 Canadian
$638 US
428 UK pounds
588 Euros
Includes bag and tinted visor.
So, not out of line with 'traditional' high end helmets.
Interesting, in not so sure about it being tight under the jaw, I often find I have to stretch my jaw to help equalise air pressure, wonder if there's enough room for that?
:iagree there seems to be universal ignorance, at least in the advertising industry, about the use of chin straps. Maybe that's just how these advertising types wear them on their Monsters :icon_scratch:
I hope to do a Bikerdown course with the regional, it'll be interesting to see what their take on training medical responders on helmet removal. I was always taught, leave it unless you can get the rider to do it themselves or breathing is critical.
http://youtu.be/lnydMibNojo
There appears to be a Tiger graphic version right at the start of the video.
I see there is a QR code for the removal instructions. Do paramedics carry a scanner????
And you've got to remove screws from the back as well :icon_rolleyes:
I must say I quite like that but I'm a helmet whore, only question I have is as a glasses wearer how bad does it steam up?
Quote from: John Stenhouse on December 19, 2015, 12:32:55 AM
, only question I have is as a glasses wearer how bad does it steam up?
Good question. Not sure it's too much of a problem in Australia, but it might be for us that live in less temperate climes. Since the helmet has only just been launched I suppose we'll have to wait to find out....
So I asked them about fogging and this is the reply:
Nick no fogging as chin bar is longer than normal helmet moving the visor further away from nose and mouth trust this helps
I like the "no chin strap" idea as i have a beard :bad
I like how quick it is to put on and take off :thumbsup
but no likey the price :icon_eek:
KK
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on December 19, 2015, 12:10:46 AM
And you've got to remove screws from the back as well :icon_rolleyes:
that's the bit I don't get..... you don't have to mess with screws when putting it on or taking it of normally, so why when a medic does it??
It must be something about being able to remove it while the neck is immobilised....
I'm guessing that is because you'd need to rotate the front section to disengage the lock, which would mean spinal extension due to chin location. Whereas if the hinge locating screws are removed, the front section can be pulled away parallel to the jaw line.
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on December 20, 2015, 01:06:21 AM
Whereas if the hinge locating screws are removed, the front section can be pulled away parallel to the jaw line.
As long as the paramedics have scanned the domahicky to find out how to do it. I feel the urge to do some research and ask in how many cases the paramedics have had issues with helmets and in the worst case scenario caused more harm than good.
Waiting on my lad for some info. Couple of points, UK based info, but possibly same everywhere.
Paramedics are not all equal, they range from patient transport to HEMS (helicopter medics) and the degree of competency and training varies.. Sad but true.
My son is one of the first wave of degree course Paramedics, and the truth is its pot luck what you get on a crew as a result.
His brief to me was essentially if your not qualified, leave it on if there is no imminent danger of death, ie choking/breathing obstructions, as they "will kill you more quickly".
He says they are trained to work in a two person team with a specific protocol under ideal situation.
Will try to find out more, and report back.
Phil
how do you spit?
Quote from: ned37 on December 20, 2015, 05:57:26 PM
how do you spit?
By taking it off first, just like your present lid (I hope)
QuoteBy taking it off first, just like your present lid
nah, use a modular for the tiger. can gob at will at speed (good for road rage). and full face on the husaberg forces me to stop and pull out on the chin bar and dribble.
Off topic, I was once spat at by a van passenger while filtering to his left (he was in the outside lane in stationary traffic). I stopped, parked and put my sidestand down, wiped my visor then went back and wiped the bugs off his windscreen with the oily rag I keep under my seat for wiping the chain, then got back n my bike and went on my way. Couldn't wait for it to rain then.....
So, did anyone order one??
I like and use a flip front so that thing is useless.