Out for a short ride today and the gremlins showed up!
Battery is 14 series AGM, about 6 months old.
(In order of being noticed)
1. After quick shutdown (less than a minute-bike @ operating temp) it would not restart. Luckily on a hill, so bump-started.
2. Tach went to "zero" during shifts, back up under load. Eventually stayed at zero.
3. Neutral light VERY dim. barely noticeable.
4. Speedo quit. (tach also)
5. Headlights pulsating and very dim (LED bulbs; normally bright)
No testing done yet. I got it home and put the bike on charger.
What are the most common causes of these symptoms? Regulator? Alternator?
Symptoms are for a flat battery. since its only 6 months old it's probably good so either regulator or generator.
If you look in the how to section there's a link to a good test procedure written by Electrexworld
As BB says sounds like battery, but also just check the main fuse and holder (On side of battery), and both multi plugs from the Reg/Rec.
Thanks to both. Will start there.
Quote from: Timbox2 on May 18, 2017, 11:08:52 PM
As BB says sounds like battery, but also just check the main fuse and holder (On side of battery), and both multi plugs from the Reg/Rec.
Battery load tested good, main fuse looks fine too. A bit of corrosion in the connector from the RR to stator, but not that much.will continue testing when I get back from my trip.
OK, I had the bike off the road since last posting doing a lot of detailing, paint, maintenance....
Finally got it back on the road today and had forgotten all about my "gremlins" which are still there. Same symptoms as before.
Following the troubleshooting guide in the "How to" section, I believe the issue is the Reg/Rec, so the questions are ....
There seem to be a bunch of different writeups and opinions on the best replacement R/R.
What is the best solution?
Prices vary widely for the SH775AA from $55 to $265 (USD). Is that the way to go?
Will this replacement require a different connector setup?
Also reading about relocating for better cooling. Recommended?
Also overheating & melted wires with these?
Is there a good chance that the stator is bad as well?
Pop the cover off the generator housing and have a look at the stator, its normally quite obvious if the stator has suffered, but be aware that if your bike has the breather hose coming off the gen cover you must not leave the cover off for any length of time without putting a sleeve of some sort( Same dia as end of balancer shaft that seal sits on) in the seal to stop it deforming. There are many newer reg/recs available the SH775AA being one, and the FH020AA being another, the FH020 is the one Triumph now fit to later bikes like my 2016 Tiger Sport, have a look at Joe Dirts sticky at the top of "Girly Charging Woes" section, its all there, he went for the 775AA in the end
http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,14996.0.html
I've been running a Shindengen SH775AA for a while now. I got it from a Polaris dealer for about £80 and the connecting link lead from Triumph (it's cheap)
It all seems good, and was a straightforward install.
If you want to read up on the reasoning for the use of this reg-rec, there is a lot of information here
http://www.triumphrat.net/speed-triple-forum/104504-charging-system-diagnostics-rectifier-regulator-upgrade.html
from the triumph.rat site
Can I presume that this is bad?
Also, RoadsterCycle.com is showing Shindengen SH847 Series R/Rs superceding SH775AA.
Any input on this?
Is RoadsterCycle the place to go?
Is there a preferred (upgraded) stator to replace stock?
Quote from: VABird on July 02, 2017, 11:13:21 PM
Also, RoadsterCycle.com is showing Shindengen SH847 Series R/Rs superceding SH775AA.
Any input on this?
The link I referred to mentions that the SH847 is the new preferred choice for engines spending their time above 10,000rpms. ie. not necessary on Girlies. It also seems to be about 50% more expensive.
Can't say I've ever done 10K. No plans to start.
Just curious, if the Generator cover was a clock face was the burnt section at about 7 O'clock?
Quote from: Timbox2 on July 03, 2017, 07:58:17 AM
Just curious, if the Generator cover was a clock face was the burnt section at about 7 O'clock?
No burn marks on the cover.
Stator shows no resistance across 3 connector prongs or prongs to ground. It appears dead.
Is there a preferred replacement?
Quote from: VABird on July 03, 2017, 01:43:49 PM
No burn marks on the cover.
Stator shows no resistance across 3 connector prongs or prongs to ground. It appears dead.
Is there a preferred replacement?
I didnt mean on the cover, just in relation to it. Dunno your side of the pond as regards replacement, Ive never had to replace one on either of my Girlies
Quote from: VABird on July 03, 2017, 01:43:49 PM
Is there a preferred replacement?
Electrosport seem pretty well made
Quote from: Timbox2 on July 03, 2017, 03:22:13 PM
I didnt mean on the cover, just in relation to it. Dunno your side of the pond as regards replacement, Ive never had to replace one on either of my Girlies
Depending on the point of view, the burn marks are at about 3:30 facing the inside of the cover. (forward on bike with cover in place.)
Just bought a SH847 "super kit" from RoadsterCycle & a Rick's Stator from Parts Giant.
Apparently, according to Jack @ RoadsterCycle the SH775's price just went through the roof and the SH847 is now the way to go.
We'll see....
HAving had the fun of chasing dead rec / stator / battery round in circles ad nauseum, I recommend changing all three. Costly I know, but you are at least starting from a baseline and with all new connectors (which are often the start of the woes). While assembling, use some electrics grease, like the stuff boatyards stock. It'll help prevent future problems and finally, acheck the connectors rtegularly to head off problems. Or, wrap them in amalgamating tape to keep the damp out.
Quote from: Bixxer Bob on July 05, 2017, 09:48:56 AM
.....I recommend changing all three. Costly I know, but you are at least starting from a baseline and with all new connectors (which are often the start of the woes)....
Battery is fairly new, but may wind up in my 1050 that I'm selling, so may get a fresh start after all.
Job is complete and after a 100 mile test run, all is great with a consistent 14.6V showing at idle and 14.7V while underway.
No more erratic gauge behavior, and starts right back up.
I'll do a writeup on the install of the SH847 soon.
Nice!
Good news :thumbsup
I suspect a few people will be interested in that instrument you've fitted, would you mind song a short write up in the Toys & Farkles section when you have a few minutes.
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on July 12, 2017, 02:39:10 PM
Good news :thumbsup
I suspect a few people will be interested in that instrument you've fitted, would you mind song a short write up in the Toys & Farkles section when you have a few minutes.
It simply plugs into the 12V adapter that I installed for my GPS unit. Available on eBay.
Most had either Centigrade for the temperature readout or volts only.
Thinking of carrying them on my website WWW.Jack-Be-Quick.com
Think they'd sell?
BTW, writeup for the SH847 is here: http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,16276.0.html