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Title: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on July 27, 2015, 06:51:17 AM
Started doing stuff to Rhoda, which included stripping off the extraneous bits of plastic. My goodness there are a lot of bits and pieces to come off before you can even think of taking off the fuel tank. In that respect I really miss the Steamer. :icon_cry: But the good news is NO PLASTIC for the tank so no "ethanol induced swelling".

And then, lo and behold, Mr. Triumph (or Bloor if you prefer) has seen fit to include not one, but two accessory plugs, fused, for the bits and pieces we want to add, like heated grips and running lights.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f375/nickjtc/Accessory%20plugs.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/nickjtc/media/Accessory%20plugs.jpg.html)

Unfortunately I do not have access to wired females (plugs, that is) but this is a good start.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 27, 2015, 11:52:56 AM
If I remember correctly, one is for a GPS and the other for the heated grips sub-loom, check the wiring diagram and do a line check to the fuse box just for good measure. They are standard Durite / Econoseal connectors if my memory is again working today, so just $2-3 each.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on July 27, 2015, 04:09:13 PM
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on July 27, 2015, 11:52:56 AM
If I remember correctly, one is for a GPS and the other for the heated grips sub-loom,

Yup, and that is what I am going to use them for.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: JayDub on July 27, 2015, 04:33:31 PM
It didn't take you long to get the tools out Nick... don't break anything now  :icon_biggrin:
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on July 27, 2015, 06:48:10 PM
Quote from: JayDub on July 27, 2015, 04:33:31 PM
It didn't take you long to get the tools out Nick... don't break anything now  :icon_biggrin:

The PO is a close riding buddy of mine, so I know the history of the bike. However, being an anal retent, I like the wiring to be 'just so' so am getting acquainted with the bike by tearing in to it. I have to install the wiring for my GPS and re-do the heated grips by getting rid of the yards of un-necessary wire :icon_eek:. And then figure out where to plumb in the Scottoiler to get a vacuum.

And when it says, front and centre, in the manual "disconnect the leads to the battery before commencing" it means it!! Damhik.  :icon_redface: :augie
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on July 30, 2015, 05:11:47 AM
I'm feeling awfully lonely out here in the 1050 neck of the woods. Surely there is someone else with something to talk about.....

Getting to know Rhoda a bit more. Blimey what a palaver to get the plastics off. At least the screws/bolts are all the same size of allen key (unlike the Steamer) but it is like a jigsaw puzzle to get the side panels, fairing infill panels, fascia infill panels, side fairings  and nose fairing off, followed by the fuel tank with its 'quick connect' fuel line, fuel level sender plug, fuel pump plug and two breather hoses. And heaven forbid that you drop a bolt and watch it roll into the darkest depths of the garage.

Anyhoo, I did my anal retent bit and used the accessory circuit to re-wire the heated grips, tidied up the wiring for the running lights and fitted the led charging system light.

Went for a pre-work 50km jaunt this morning (isn't that wonderfully mind clearing...) with the GPS, and found that the speedo is 5% optimistic, but the trip/odometer is pretty much spot-on.

Installed a Fenda Extenda after work so it's time to get some riding in.

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f375/nickjtc/29%20July%20pm%202.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/nickjtc/media/29%20July%20pm%202.jpg.html)

(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f375/nickjtc/29%20July%20am%203.jpg) (http://s51.photobucket.com/user/nickjtc/media/29%20July%20am%203.jpg.html)
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: Bixxer Bob on July 30, 2015, 11:55:07 AM
 :new_popcornsmiley
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: JayDub on July 30, 2015, 12:08:43 PM
Nick, You need a Steamer in your stable so when you're bored you can take it for a ride, and then come back and tell us what problems its thrown at you  :icon_biggrin:
Or.... start a 1050 suspension/oil/tyres debate  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: JayDub on July 30, 2015, 12:10:58 PM
Oh yes... that brake line is going to scratch the side of your tacho - better sort it mate  :icon_salut:
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 30, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
Yup that's pretty much what everyone finds with the speedo, please don't start a thread on that or I'll put a link in to the Trophy forum thread if you do  :nono that will test you staying power.

I'll be interested to hear what you think about the screen and the lights, don't go spending money on lights just yet  :blah
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on July 30, 2015, 03:47:18 PM
Quote from: JayDub on July 30, 2015, 12:10:58 PM
Oh yes... that brake line is going to scratch the side of your tacho - better sort it mate  :icon_salut:

Hmmm. Never noticed that, and I assume that the po didn't either. I'll look closer later. The bike has 85,500kms under its wheels, incidentally.

Edit: just had a really close butchers. The hose only touches the case at full lock and there is a tiny mark on the edge.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on July 30, 2015, 03:50:51 PM
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on July 30, 2015, 12:41:47 PM
I'll be interested to hear what you think about the screen and the lights, don't go spending money on lights just yet  :blah

So far the screen is fine. I'm 5'10" and find that there is no buffeting, just the usual faceful of bugs. I wear earplugs all the time so there are no issues with noise.

Can't comment on the lights since I have not done any serious night work yet. But there are the supplementary ones on-board to help out if necessary.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on July 31, 2015, 06:35:56 AM
More fun and games. When I picked the bike up last week there was a smear of fork oil around the left fork leg. Rather than immediately change the seals I have done the "stick a thin piece of flexible plastic up under the seals and slide it around the stanchion" procedure. A significant amount of crud came out so I am hoping that this will alleviate the situation. Time will tell.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on July 31, 2015, 06:49:55 AM
Any meaningful relationship with this bike will involve getting to know the ECU and all its foibles. So I've bought a copy of Dealertool, which comes with a USB-OBD interface cable, and downloaded Tune ECU.

Both of them do the same tasks: diagnostics and error code identification and re-setting. Dealertool will enable me to balance the throttle bodies electronically. TuneECU allows identification of the EFI map being run on the bike and the ability for me to modify said map if any changes are made to the 'system'. Down the road I may disable the SAI system and remove the O2 sensor which will mean fooling the ECU into thinking they are both there.

So I've ascertained the map that is in the ECU now and downloaded it to my laptop for posterity:


Tiger 1050 up to VIN 535378 Arrow race silencer with secondary air injection Fuel up to E25 Minimum 95 RON (89 RON/MON) fuel

I'm assuming that the Arrow map is used for all non-OEM exhausts because the bike has a Leo Vince one installed and runs very nicely.

And interestingly enough the TuneECU threw up an error code for a fault in the fuel gauge sender which probably happened some time ago. A click of the mouse and it is re-set. Ain't technology wonderful..!!  :icon_wink: 
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 31, 2015, 07:44:15 AM
I think that's probably the TOR tune. It was common practice to load that even with the stock exhaust to smooth out the light throttle response. Once I had that I never needed to touch the ECU again.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on July 31, 2015, 03:30:13 PM
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on July 31, 2015, 07:44:15 AM
I think that's probably the TOR tune. It was common practice to load that even with the stock exhaust to smooth out the light throttle response. Once I had that I never needed to touch the ECU again.

Good to know.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 31, 2015, 07:11:07 PM
Now go for a night ride (slowly and on a straight road that you're familiar with), then switch off the auxiliary lights  :bug_eye and tell us what you experience. Lucas the Prince of Darkness is alive and well  :nod
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: Mustang on July 31, 2015, 10:05:08 PM
there used to be a rally I went to for the old triumph stuff
and one of the events was a "Lucas Dependability ride" at 8:30 PM  :ImaPoser
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on August 01, 2015, 07:02:30 AM
Quote from: Mustang on July 31, 2015, 10:05:08 PM
there used to be a rally I went to for the old triumph stuff
and one of the events was a "Lucas Dependability ride" at 8:30 PM  :ImaPoser

Now now, be kind. There are many older Brit bike aficionados who would say that given the options of the time there was not much to choose from for electrical stuff.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: Sin_Tiger on August 01, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
Battle of the giants, Lucas V Magnetic Marrelli  :tin hat then along came a Samurai Nitto Seiko, game over. A valiant Dunkirkesque action by Wipac (even the name has sado masochistic undertones). Guzzi had the somewhat Il Duche idea of using German technology with Italian wiring, disaster, if you want to turn your brain to meat balls spend an afternoon trying to figure out a 90'small Guzzi wiring diagram. I swear no two bikes came out of the factory the same.

Anyway back OT, howdya like them chrome bars  :bad
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: motoOzarks on August 01, 2015, 03:56:16 PM
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on August 01, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
howdya like them chrome bars  :bad

They call those boy bars where I'm from
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on August 01, 2015, 05:25:33 PM
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on August 01, 2015, 11:26:41 AM
Guzzi had the somewhat Il Duche idea of using German technology with Italian wiring, disaster, if you want to turn your brain to meat balls spend an afternoon trying to figure out a 90'small Guzzi wiring diagram. 

Anyway back OT, howdya like them chrome bars  :bad

The early big Laverdas even had Lucas switch gear.

You've both got me lost........ they are handlebars; they steer the bike; they seem to be comfortable; they are shiny; no they are not ruffty-tuffty Renthals.  Am I missing something??  :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: JayDub on August 01, 2015, 07:43:02 PM
Chrome is for girls  :icon_lol:
Or in the world of ratbikes... chrome don't get u home, (a dig at harley/custom riders really)
Hey Sin... I had a Guzzi V50 - I hear you  :icon_confused: interestingly... the starter motor was a straight swap with an Astra one.
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on August 02, 2015, 12:30:39 AM
Quote from: JayDub on August 01, 2015, 07:43:02 PM
Chrome is for girls  :icon_lol:

Well I am very comfortable with my feminine side, so perhaps you had all better start calling me Nicki..... :ImaPoser
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on August 03, 2015, 06:48:08 AM
Quote from: nickjtc on July 31, 2015, 06:35:56 AM
Rather than immediately change the seals I have done the "stick a thin piece of flexible plastic up under the seals and slide it around the stanchion" procedure. A significant amount of crud came out so I am hoping that this will alleviate the situation. Time will tell.

So far, time has told. Any 'leakage' has been reduced to a mere smear around the stanchions. I'm optimistic that once the seals get really nice and moist again that the necessity to replace them will have been postponed until the winter lay-off at the earliest.

A fix-it for the cost of an empty water bottle, rather than going to the expense of:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wlzfoVroSY
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on August 04, 2015, 06:10:11 AM
Quote from: nickjtc on July 31, 2015, 06:49:55 AM
Any meaningful relationship with this bike will involve getting to know the ECU and all its foibles. So I've bought a copy of Dealertool, which comes with a USB-OBD interface cable, and downloaded Tune ECU.

Both of them do the same tasks: diagnostics and error code identification and re-setting. Dealertool will enable me to balance the throttle bodies electronically.
 

I should have done my homework on this. Actually Dealertool does not allow you to adjust the throttle body balance electronically...... what was I thinking??? So as long as you can wrap your head around downloading TuneECU after getting the appropriate cable, why spend money when the freeware is there for all to use.

D'oh!  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: Sin_Tiger on August 04, 2015, 01:10:18 PM
 :icon_rolleyes:  :nod
Title: Re: 1050 stuff. Possibly the start of a long thread
Post by: nickjtc on August 21, 2015, 01:13:31 AM
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on July 31, 2015, 07:11:07 PM
Now go for a night ride (slowly and on a straight road that you're familiar with), then switch off the auxiliary lights  :bug_eye and tell us what you experience. Lucas the Prince of Darkness is alive and well  :nod

Hmmm. I had my first night ride last night. It was on a main road with a fair amount of traffic, so no dark hedges or ditches.

My take on Rhoda's luminescence is that for the kind of riding I do (especially after dark) the low beam, though a bit diffuse, is perfectly adequate. High beam is more than adequate.

And when I flip the spots on, ice melts at 200 metres.  :augie
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