Starter motor.... woes?

[Bixxer Bob]

I checked the part numbers on WoT,  they are not the same, and it suggests that the 1050 solenoid is fused.  (Copper nuts are the same though....)

I'm shopping for a variant I think. 

Edit:  I've noticed no-one does an aftermarket Blackbird one, not even the Blackbird specialist, which suggests they don't go wrong.  Do I buy a pre-used genuine Honda one or a far east replacement???  Hmmmm

[nickjtc]

and it suggests that the 1050 solenoid is fused. 

Edit:  I've noticed no-one does an aftermarket Blackbird one, not even the Blackbird specialist, which suggests they don't go wrong.  Do I buy a pre-used genuine Honda one or a far east replacement???  Hmmmm

Yup, 30 amp fuse right on the solenoid casing.

You pays your money, etc, etc, etc when it comes to non-OEM electrical stuff, I suppose.

[nickjtc]

maybe it's the ghost of JOESEPH LUCAS 

Be nice!! The starter quite clearly says 'Denso' on it 

[nickjtc]

Latest update. I have taken apart all of the connections in the starting circuit and shined them up. I went for a gorgeous ride last evening to take advantage of one of the few nice riding opportunities left this season. When I got home I turned to bike off then tried to re-start it to no avail.

So the on-again off-again issue mainly only rears its ugly head when the bike is hot.

Next step is to fully charge the battery and get it load tested.

Stay tuned for the next exciting episode in the adventures of Rhoda the Roadie.

[Bixxer Bob]

Battery check is worth doing Nick, is it struggling to turn over or turning over but not starting?  Have a look at the kill switch contacts and the contacts on the starter switch itself.

[nickjtc]

Battery check is worth doing Nick, is it struggling to turn over or turning over but not starting?

Always turns over as 'normal' when starting the first time. Once hot there is a 'uh' then nothing. That makes me think it is not in any of the handlebar switchery. I haven't looked at the side stand switch yet; cannot remember if it is always when the stand is down that there are issues... Yet another thing to check.

[motoOzarks]

In gear using clutch?  clutch dragging?

or in neutral as well?

Do the lights horn etc work when hot?  blinkers same speed etc?

Is it a sealed battery?  Or  regular one low on water?

[nickjtc]

In gear using clutch? In gear or neutral, doesn't make any diff.  

clutch dragging? Nope

or in neutral as well? Nope

Do the lights horn etc work when hot?  blinkers same speed etc? Everything works fine.

Is it a sealed battery?  Or  regular one low on water? Sealed. Having it load tested tomorrow.

The charging system appears to be working fine.

[Sin_Tiger]

 Do you frequently use the kill switch to stop the engine?

[nickjtc]

Do you frequently use the kill switch to stop the engine?

Never. That is not what it is for, as we all know.  :icon_wink:

[Bixxer Bob]

Always turns over as 'normal' when starting the first time. Once hot there is a 'uh' then nothing. That makes me think it is not in any of the handlebar switchery. I haven't looked at the side stand switch yet; cannot remember if it is always when the stand is down that there are issues... Yet another thing to check.

Differs to mine slightly then Nick, mine either goes - hot or cold - or nothing -hot or cold.  No "uhhh"

"Uhh" suggests battery.  When my last battery died I'd started normally, ridden to Dereham, parked up, went to the bank, back to the bike, "Uhh" but not throwing it past compression.  Went for a coffee and a think, went back for one last try,  Juuust made it over compression and fired.  Rode it home, replaced the battery.

[nickjtc]

I charged up the battery and had it taken to the local battery emporium for a load test. Apparently my Battery Tender is not good enough and they had to charge it themselves! For $5, of course. I'll hear the result today.

But as an aside, and I'll bow your collective wisdom, I do not understand why there is the feeling amongst Tiger-types that it is a good idea to keep the bike on 'trickle' when not in use. If its charging system is working properly and the battery is being well charged while the bike is in use why would that be necessary???

[Bixxer Bob]

As long as the bikes get regular use they're ok. More often they get used at weekends which is ok as long as it's a ride long enough to bring the battery back to fully charged, but many don't so a tender will monitor the battery voltage and top it up when necessary. That is different from a trickle charger which will kill the battery eventually because there's no voltage sensing going on.

[nickjtc]

Yes. That is why I always use a motorcycle battery specific charger.

So, what CCA of battery is recommended for our bikes?? People say that the 'stock' one is not up to the task. The 'stock' battery from Yuasa is a YT12B-BS which has 230 CCA........ surely that is plenty??

[Sin_Tiger]

I used the original battery for nigh on 4 years leaving it on a C-Tek for up to 6 months on one occasion and it never let me down, it only gave up the ghost when someone switched the garage supply off completely for 4 months 

You have to be systematic with this and start checking with a meter (amps as well as volts) or the words urine and darkness come to mind.  :icon_wink: