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Tiger died :-(

Started by Tiger-G, November 17, 2016, 01:43:21 PM

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Bixxer Bob

Quote from: Tiger-G on December 13, 2016, 09:01:31 PM
Quick update on Tiger.

As he was still in bits, I continued my wire and and connector block wiggling in the vain hope I would find a loose connection, etc. I didn't, and at one point where ever I wiggled the wiring it caused the ECM relay to click in and out.

But then, for whatever reason, it seemed to fix itself. Every time I turned the ignition on the fuel pump it primed, I got 12 volts at fuses 6 & 7 ?? I've been out on it for a spin and it was ok, but don't expect the reliability to be there long term.


Which "point" were you wiggling when it clicked???
I don't want to achieve immortality through prayer, I want to achieve it through not dying...

Tiger-G

Quote from: Bixxer Bob on December 14, 2016, 10:56:59 PM

Which "point" were you wiggling when it clicked???

Lol, if I knew that, I'd have it sussed !! :icon_lol:  Think something's either put itself right, or the fact I've had every connector on and off a few times has jiggled something into place ??

If I understood wiring diagrams a bit better, I think I could have got to the source of the problem. I knew I was only getting 3.6 volts to fuses 6 & 7, which wasn't energizing the ECM relay, but where that voltage drop was occurring, I'm not sure. That's where my electrical knowledge let me down, and the fact I couldn't get a crystal clear copy of a Tiger wiring diagram to trace the wiring didn't help. I think it's something to do with the brown and pink wire (NK) from the ECM relay to fuses 6 & 7, and where that wiring goes from there, but not sure ??  The attached crystal clear copy of a Speed Triple wiring diagram is very close to a Tiger's, so I now think I know where to check if it happens again.

As I say, I'm not very good with wiring, so I'm not sure how the voltage drop gets to fuses 6 & 7. Whether it goes to the ECM relay, fuse box, O2 sensor, injectors, purge control valve, ignition coils or fan first or last (if you know what I mean ??). And as dumb as it sounds, I'm not sure how to test for a bad earth to any of these ??  :icon_redface:

I understand it all a lot more now than I did, but as i say, I'm still struggling a bit  :icon_wink:
Safe Riding.

Regards,
Graeme.

Timbox2

Honestly mate, think youve got to  give up, wrong wiring diagram for starters. Similar but wrong. Think of it like the London Tube map that someones changed the stations about on,and added some that arent there,  you aint gonna find Cockfosters are you. Think your reading the diagram back to front too if you see what I mean. The Haynes manual for once seems fairly accurate with the Tiger wiring diagram. You might be right and reseating stuff has sorted it. Me, I would not really be able to trust it. A decent auto-sparks would probably pin it down in an hour or so with a Haynes manual.  Sometimes you gotta spend money and hand it over. Or just ride the bike and hope, your call.
2016 Tiger Sport

Bixxer Bob

I found my Haynes this afternoon, I'll have a look tomorrow and see how I can get a copy of the diagram to you,
I don't want to achieve immortality through prayer, I want to achieve it through not dying...

Tiger-G

Quote from: Timbox2 on December 15, 2016, 07:53:06 AM
Honestly mate, think youve got to  give up, wrong wiring diagram for starters. Similar but wrong. Think of it like the London Tube map that someones changed the stations about on,and added some that arent there,  you aint gonna find Cockfosters are you. Think your reading the diagram back to front too if you see what I mean. The Haynes manual for once seems fairly accurate with the Tiger wiring diagram. You might be right and reseating stuff has sorted it. Me, I would not really be able to trust it. A decent auto-sparks would probably pin it down in an hour or so with a Haynes manual.  Sometimes you gotta spend money and hand it over. Or just ride the bike and hope, your call.

I hear what you're sayin' brother  :icon_salut:  Will see how it goes. If it breaks down again, time to see a specialist  :icon_lol:
Safe Riding.

Regards,
Graeme.

Tiger-G

Quote from: Bixxer Bob on December 15, 2016, 10:46:00 PM
I found my Haynes this afternoon, I'll have a look tomorrow and see how I can get a copy of the diagram to you,

Thanks for the offer  :icon_biggrin:
Safe Riding.

Regards,
Graeme.

Tiger-G

Just a quick update for anyone viewing this thread with similar problems.

It's been two months and 500 miles plus since my electrical issues. In the end I took all the wiring connectors apart, cleaned as many as I could, and filled them with silicone grease (dielectric grease to some). The first time I took the bike out it spluttered to a stop after 30 metres, lol  :icon_frown:

But since then it's been ok, and running like normal. The fuel economy is down a bit, but I can live with that for now.
I have no idea what I did to fix it, and suspect it just fixed itself  :wheel

I suspect the ECU was having a mid life crisis, but will never really know  :icon_lol:

Thanks to all that helped out with suggestions, etc, much appreciated   :icon_salut:
Safe Riding.

Regards,
Graeme.

MattDaleEvans

Good to hear that feller - all the best with it - let me know how you get on. ;0)

Tiger-G

Another update a year later, and Tiger hasn't missed a beat all season. 4,500 miles later and still going strong, I'm putting it down to a mid life crisis  :icon_wink:
Safe Riding.

Regards,
Graeme.