There's a big spread on "spy" shots of the 1200 Tiger on test all finished except for tank badges. It's thought to have about 140 bhp - Triumph say they could've matched the Multistroodle 160 bhp but thought it unnecessary - and it looks like an 800 on steroids.
Price will be the big thing, if it's less complex, got more farkles (as opposed to electronic gizmos) and is cheaper than a GS then it should sell well.
What it has got over the others is - of course - the Triumph badge......
I saw the spy photos of the new bike and I think it looks great. If I ever choose to replace my old Steamer, a Tiger with a shaft-drive would be about as good as it gets.
If I had my say in it, ABS would be a good thing, but skip traction control and sport/touring mode stuff like some of the competitors. I fully expect the price of the bike to be higher than the 800s due to the extra displacement, but I hope it is similarly equipped to keep the costs down a bit.
Having ridden plenty of 1098/1198's which do anything between 145/150hp,I'd put the Multi around 125 or less,the suspension/engine mapping is novel,but that ajustable suspension is a financial time bomb waiting to go off just like the ESA on the beemers 5 years down the line,and to be honest there's only one setting and thats sport mode,but even the basic model comes with the various engine maps.
Looking at the MCN photo's still can't make my mind up if I like or not,but from the exhaust side looks like a 3 cylinder GS,the wednesday comic while always getting flak can be pretty well informed if it is around 1150cc thats only 200cc up on ours 955's,but looking at the motor they have gone long stroke,it'll make for interesting riding,with two bikes with shaft drive i'd have prefered chain drive out of choice buy hey ho.
I saw it and thought it looked a little generic really, uninspiring. I think there are lots of competitors in this 'sector' at the moment and Triumph need to make sure their engine is a brighter proposition than the others. Otherwise it's going to be a bland option next the to the 990, GS, Stelvio, Multistrada, Super tenere... Gotta be cheaper too. (Is it just me or do motorbikes cost loads more than they did a year or two ago?)
I'm not really sure I agree with the "generic, uninspring" part. I thought it looked like a slight bigger version of the 800, which would seem to tie the bikes together within the Triumph line-up. And I think the big selling feature of the 800 and now the 1200 will be the engine. I have yet to ride one of the 800s, but from everything I've read, Triumph got that engine right, so I expect they will get the 1200 right as well.
I read an article earlier this year about the new Suzuki Bandit 1250. It talked about all the technologies being used in the competitors bikes and how Suzuki stripped the bike down, targetting buyers who were more about the riding experience than gadgets and gizmos. According to the article, Suzuki got it right, as the reviewer really liked the bike. I am hoping Triumph uses a similar approach. One reason is due to the riding experience, but the biggest reason is cost. I agree about the prices of bikes in recent years. With the exception of the thumpers, it is next to impossible to find a bike under $10K. Spending $20K on a GS or Multistrata is out of the picture for me. The 800s are on the fringe of the comfort zone for me, hopefully the 1200 isn't to much more expensive.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"but that ajustable suspension is a financial time bomb waiting to go off just like the ESA on the beemers 5 years down the line
And the computer technology going on in bikes these days is just idiotic. I'm a software engineer by trade and I love them but keep it simple, fixable and reliable by
keeping solid-state / ic technology to a minimum is my mantra.
gutted. i cant get MCN here so cant see what it looks like.mcn site only has the cover of mcn on it so pics arnt that great :(
I was hoping it wouldn't look like the 800 really - too BMW for me. Still I'll have a look at one in the flesh and maybe blag a test ride...
Looks like the Trophy 1200 will be out first..............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3eq2gutH_0
:)
KK
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"Looks like the Trophy 1200 will be out first..............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3eq2gutH_0
:)
KK
Looks like the essentials of the Sprint GT with the aesthetics of the Yamaha FJR-1300. With a shaft drive that looks almost exactly like it came from a R1300GS.
On the subject of MCN, i talked to Clive Woods last week, he`s the guy who ran Jack Lillys race team, racing the Steamers, he said next weeks MCN has a story about an 800 Tiger he rebuilt and modded.
Should be interesting.
I like that Trophy, but I want to see the new Tiger cheers Spud :wink:
I'll be interested to see where Triumph go with the wheels and tyres,the photos in the comic look really odd as it's got two spindly wheels with pissy sized tyres on,and they want to feed 140hp through e'm :roll:
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"Looks like the Trophy 1200 will be out first..............
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3eq2gutH_0
:)
KK
Not necessarily as that Tiger 1200 looked pretty much finished to me. My guess, like they wrote in MCN, is that they'll both be shown at Milan in November.
Anyway, having just ridden my 800XC down through France, around some of the Pyrenees and back, I don't think I'll be needing or wanting anything bigger.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"I'll be interested to see where Triumph go with the wheels and tyres,the photos in the comic look really odd as it's got two spindly wheels with pissy sized tyres on,and they want to feed 140hp through e'm :roll:
You seen the size of a Blackbird back tyre?
To be fair, the only one that works well for me - and tyres are always a personal choice - is the BT020 Blackbird-specific back tyre. It was developed to take the power but more importantly the weight. It has stiffer sidewalls. I've tried generic tyres from both Bridgestone and other makes and they don't work as well, but that could be in my head of course.... :wink:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Quote from: "Chris Canning"I'll be interested to see where Triumph go with the wheels and tyres,the photos in the comic look really odd as it's got two spindly wheels with pissy sized tyres on,and they want to feed 140hp through e'm :roll:
You seen the size of a Blackbird back tyre?
To be fair, the only one that works well for me - and tyres are always a personal choice - is the BT020 Blackbird-specific back tyre. It was developed to take the power but more importantly the weight. It has stiffer sidewalls. I've tried generic tyres from both Bridgestone and other makes and they don't work as well, but that could be in my head of course.... :wink:
Well you've lost me abit Bob/John thought BB rear tyer was 180/90 which is more than big enough but the one on the 1200 Tiger doesn't look that big :? ,but I'll be more than interested in it when the NEC comes round.
Linky. Oh dear....
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... roduction/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2011/August/aug0811-triumph-adventurer-nearing-production/)
I know Adventure bikes are supposed to look ruggedly ugly, but that hideous thing Honda dragged out of the parts bin and now this?
I hope that beastie is a stealth test mule designed to throw people off how its actually going to look.
On the plus side 1150 longstroke and a shaftie, sounds perfect for those of us who like an 'all roads' tourer and like to venture onto the gravel.
I hope they do a spoked wheel version.
Nah, that's the mule; the finished item is - as I said further up - like the 800 on steriods. :lol:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Nah, that's the mule; the finished item is - as I said further up - like the 800 on steriods. :lol:
like this :wink:
http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2011/ ... orer-1200/ (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2011/10/spy-photo-triumph-explorer-1200/)
KK
ps i wonder if Big G's happy now :roll: :lol:
That's the one I was on about KK :thumbsup
I think I'm smitten already... :oops:
But I don't think I can sell that pillion seat to Mrs BB. Just have to go on my own :lol:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"But I don't think I can sell that pillion seat to Mrs BB.
Nor mine :(
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"But I don't think I can sell that pillion seat to Mrs BB.
Nor mine :(
I thought that might be a problem with the Roadie but in the end she was even keener that I get an XC as well :D
Were it gets a tad complicated BB owns a BB(all BB's!!) I own a K,our idea of travelling quick won't tally with a lot on this board,if your used to a conventional seat lik on the old 955 the passenger isn't perched like a kite on the back.
proper pictures here...
http://www.mcnews.com.au/ (http://www.mcnews.com.au/)
I'd read they were due to be released tomorrow, but I guess its already tomorrow in Oz
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I tried out the Tiger 800XC and loved it - light, handled so well in the wet and felt very positive.
What I didn't like was the lack of torque that both the 885 and 955i have in bucket loads.
A few mates (one with an R1200GS - wait, can he be a mate?) are going to Milan to view the beast up front and personal. He to criticise and remark: 'copied this, and copied that from BMW' and me just to drool over it.
Heard that it will be around £10,500 (same as BMW) but with more 'extras' included in the price.
Off to Romania next year and would love to do it on the 1200...
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1200cc, shaft driven, single sided swingarm..... ohhh yeah... I found my next bike.
Screw the 800 :).
don't forget traction control, ABS, and cruise control as standard. Also uses that "drive by wire" throttle (no cable).... the pics show a hydraulic clutch as well.... rear passenger pegs look like they bolt to the rear subframe (not welded on).
neat!
http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/trium ... new-models (http://www.triumphmotorcycles.com/triumph-world/news/2012-new-models)
Thanks Neil. There is a lot to like about that just in the looks department, not so conviced about the badge, bit too Yamaha for my personal taste. Can hardly wait to see one in the flesh.
Jury is still out for me,I dislike the 800 with a passion and still remember walking straight past the Triumph stand on it's launch at the NEC,I've now doubt this new 1200 has a great motor,but I'm going to have to look at it a few more time before I find it pleasant to look at.
Whats the belly pan all about!! :cry:
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Whats the belly pan all about!! :cry:
Somewhere to hold the salt spray
Like you I could walk past this Chris. But I sure would like to feel that engine....
It's very angular in it's design, especially round the tank. It has something of a 'transformers' look about it. Looks a lot better than the earlier spy spots suggested it might...
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Whats the belly pan all about!! :cry:
to protect the exhaust pipes when negotiating the speed bumps in the Starbuck's parking lot ! :shock: :ImaPoser :ImaPoser
Quote from: "Mustang"Quote from: "Chris Canning"Whats the belly pan all about!! :cry:
to protect the exhaust pipes when negotiating the speed bumps in the Starbuck's parking lot ! :shock: :ImaPoser :ImaPoser
Of course :D ,silly me :oops:
Hmmm - I don't regret getting the XC. 1200 Way too big & S-10 like - too industrial looking for me. Also, the T & H aren't joined with the "swirl" on Triumph badge either. Thats going to, no doubt, cause all sorts of mechanical problems!! Actually - glad to see another big trailie out there - it will likely prove to be a capable machine. And with a 1200 Triple...wow! - should be a fun ride... But I can't afford the tickets.
ALSO: The "Beaker" moniker was applied to 800 - Whats this one gonna be?? Super tiger ?
Transformer......................
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Yeah - Transformer. Thats good. Even comes in "transformer blue color. Cool!
Like the name "Transformer" :D
But Google "Fazer 1000" images........
And whats going on with that silencer? Yea, I know emissions and noise regs. But Good God, Look at the size of it! Lets hope there will be some aftermarket options.
Anyone else notice the side-stand. Looks like it might be better than the 955's "fall over if not parked right" effort.
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Like the name "Transformer" :D
But Google "Fazer 1000" images........
yea they are all ugly mothers
the 1050 tigger is no prize either
the 800 looks like a beemer wannabe
the 1200 does kinda have a yamaha look going on
I wish they would quit tryin to copy others looks and just let the tigger be it's own unique breed :D
Amen to that!!!
Went on a factory tour in 2000 but only with other Tiger owners and met the design team,I'd be interested to do the same again and ask were the side panels are are,and why a bloody big plastic screen?,no disrespect Tim(Box) but if I want a barn door in front of me I'd buy a K1300GT,and one of the great up grades with other Tigers is one on the engine sprocket and that ain't going to happen with this.
All of which will be a minor detail as no doubt the bike will be saved with a great motor.
What a bunch of whingers :D
So what if you can't play with the gearing? In nearly 40 years of owning and riding all sorts of bikes I have never wanted or needed to change the gearing.
So what if it has a screen that might actually work?
So what if it looks a bit like another bike? I don't buy a bike because how it looks. I can't see it when I'm riding and surely the riding is the most important thing. If how a bike looks is more important than how it rides I'd suggest you buy a Harley.
It's a Triumph, it has the amazing triple engine and I think it looks great and if it starts to take business from BMW then all the better.
Quote from: "dickenbacker"What a bunch of whingers :D
So what if you can't play with the gearing? In nearly 40 years of owning and riding all sorts of bikes I have never wanted or needed to change the gearing.
So what if it has a screen that might actually work?
So what if it looks a bit like another bike? I don't buy a bike because how it looks. I can't see it when I'm riding and surely the riding is the most important thing. If how a bike looks is more important than how it rides I'd suggest you buy a Harley.
It's a Triumph, it has the amazing triple engine and I think it looks great and if it starts to take business from BMW then all the better.
:sleepy1
Quote from: "Mustang"Quote from: "dickenbacker"What a bunch of whingers :D
So what if you can't play with the gearing? In nearly 40 years of owning and riding all sorts of bikes I have never wanted or needed to change the gearing.
So what if it has a screen that might actually work?
So what if it looks a bit like another bike? I don't buy a bike because how it looks. I can't see it when I'm riding and surely the riding is the most important thing. If how a bike looks is more important than how it rides I'd suggest you buy a Harley.
It's a Triumph, it has the amazing triple engine and I think it looks great and if it starts to take business from BMW then all the better.
:sleepy1
Ah, always good to get a measured, intelligent response.
Quote from: "dickenbacker"I don't buy a bike because how it looks.
Really :D
Quote from: "dickenbacker"....
Ah, always good to get a measured, intelligent response.
It's clear from your comment as well as your profile, you haven't got the hang of things around here yet :ImaPoser :ImaPoser
Do your homework .....
Quote from: "dickenbacker"Ah, always good to get a measured, intelligent response.
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Mustang, you`d be barred from the other site for that post :) and dickenbacker, how can you buy a bike and not take its looks into account :?: I still smile when I open the shed and my Girlies sat there, but if it was a beaker(800) I`d probably take a stick to it :wink:
Agree with Mustang tho...all bikes are starting to look alike. Check out a few sportsbikes in silhouett? and name them. Same with the Beaker and BM its only the motor that seperates them :(
Quote from: "PeteH"Mustang, you`d be barred from the other site for that post :) .....................................
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Each to his own boys, even the naughty boys, you're supposed to be setting an example Mustang :roll:
If I see anyone with a stick near my XC I'll deck them :evil: , on the other hand if you happen to be visiting my garage where I keep the Roadie I keep a big stick behind the door specifically for that purpose :lol: but the truth I admit myself is that somebody in the design department beat us to it with the ugly stick :lol:
Quote from: "Mustang"Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"I wish they would quit tryin to copy others looks and just let the tigger be it's own unique breed :D
Amen from me too.
The new style reminds me of, except a Beemer of course, the Lego toys my son has all over the house. Lots of small parts carefully put together into a kind of Starwars/Transformer/Ninjago/whatever monster.
Imagine all the new hardware in a Steamer related wrapping. That would have been interesting.
Oh the joys of internet banter.
Just two points here.
Point 1: No, I don't really bother too much what a bike looks like. I think I've owned some of the most boring and ugly bikes in most people's eyes but if I like riding them then I don't care.
Point 2: Please delete my account Mr Moderator.
Shiny side up.
Quote from: "dickenbacker"Oh the joys of internet banter.
Just two points here.
Point 1: No, I don't really bother too much what a bike looks like. I think I've owned some of the most boring and ugly bikes in most people's eyes but if I like riding them then I don't care.
Point 2: Please delete my account Mr Moderator.
Shiny side up.
Point 1. As I had said to me many years ago,50% of owning a bike is walking past it in the garage and thinking 'Yea thats OK'
Point 2.
A biker with thin skin!!! thats a baaaaaad combo :D
Point 3
We still didn't find out were he came from on his profile :lol:
Point 4.
I like Mustangs edge,he doesn't suffer fools gladly,thats a plus in my book,although in the 58 years of my life I've found folk prefer BS rather than the truth :roll: re the other site :(
There used to be a numpty in my college ski club whom I had some sympathy for as his family name was Coxhead. If your born with that it's unfortunate but if you have a choice ------- well :roll:
Quote from: "dickenbacker"Oh the joys of internet banter.
Just two points here.
Point 1: No, I don't really bother too much what a bike looks like. I think I've owned some of the most boring and ugly bikes in most people's eyes but if I like riding them then I don't care.
Point 2: Please delete my account Mr Moderator.
Shiny side up.
Well, that was short and sweet, and since the last few posts of this thread are not typical of the banter on here ie no-one normally trolls or flames.... Black Hole anyone??? :lol:
Troll/Flame I didn't see either I saw an exchange of views so what!!
Getting back to the bike,I'd have put side panels on were there nothing,a one piece seat, and intergrated the headlight shell with the lower part of the screen and and had a smaller screen(at the same height),everyone(screen) I've had marks up within months so much so I keep a stock,which can normally aquired after the bike has been out a while at a decent price off the net.
I've no doubt it'll be a good bike the engineers normally do a good job,but I'd have the designers put up against the wall :D
Quote from: "dickenbacker"Point 2: Please delete my account Mr Moderator.
Shiny side up.
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you will have to do it your self .......... :shock:
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clean up in aisle 3........................ :ImaPoser
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I wondered what it was that appealled to me, so I screwed my eyes up and realised the strong shoulders reminded me of the Steamer :shock: is that heresy?
Well from the 19th of next month us Brits will be able to see it in the flesh and make our own minds up,although I've always found bikes look different when outside the dealer as opposed to glitz of a stand at a bike show.
Seen on eBay tonight. Any takers :?:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Tiger ... _870wt_689 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Tiger-Explorer-Deposits-being-taken-now-ASAP-delivery-/300615921216?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item45fe1aee40#ht_870wt_689)
Or how about this one :shock: well priced or what :?:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-TIGER ... 1125wt_937 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-TIGER-Explorer-1215cc-/320782483737?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4ab0204119#ht_1125wt_937)
Quote from: "Tigertriple"Seen on eBay tonight. Any takers :?:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Tiger ... _870wt_689 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-Tiger-Explorer-Deposits-being-taken-now-ASAP-delivery-/300615921216?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item45fe1aee40#ht_870wt_689)
Or how about this one :shock: well priced or what :?:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-TIGER ... 1125wt_937 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Triumph-TIGER-Explorer-1215cc-/320782483737?pt=UK_Motorcycles&hash=item4ab0204119#ht_1125wt_937)
So those two say it's a 1215cc. I like the way it looks and I don't care that it's got elements of this and elements of that in its styling. Still, I won't be buying because this thing is going to weigh something similar to the Girlies and that's too much to go "Exploring" on. I'll stick with my 800XC.
+1
I love it but I'm not sure I can justify the cost of replacing the Girly which is bought, paid for, and depreciating nicely.
Also, I recall a post on a thread I used to follow where a guy on a ratty Pan European was on a ferry with a guy with a fully-loaded, brand new Gold Wing. The 'Wing rider was enthusing about his shiney new bike whilst sneering at the ratty Pan. After a while the Pan rider summed up the situation perfectly; "So, comparing bike for bike, for your 20-odd thousand extra dollars you got built-in satnav and a morbid fear of getting it scratched"?
Chris Canning also summed it up quite well when I was at his place last; if you buy a bike and hang onto it like he and I do, it becomes pointless trading it as it's not worth anything. My 12-yr-old high mileage 'Bird is worth about £800 trade-in and the Girly is, I guess, £3k max. I guess it's a heart not head decision. I'd like to replace both with one that does everything, ie the Explorer but, as Chris pointed out after his recent debacle on the Le-Mans trip, it's nice to have a back-up in the shed. There again, if I ever get round to doing some off-road training then, like BT, I'd like to have the 800 Tiger's ability to wander. So until I know my own mind, I'm stuck.
As we used to say in the military, "Indecision is the key to flexibility" :lol:
I see why they didn't do the 800 in blue now.
I'd definately have bought one :wink: wait a minute I did, now where did I leave it :roll:
I've stuck my name down for a test ride at least
Quote from: "John Stenhouse"I've stuck my name down for a test ride at least
:new_popcornsmiley
I am a little disappointed they didn't keep the 30 litre tank it was wearing when it was photographed in Germany. All the same, I think it should be a good bike.
Quote from: "CoolHandLuke"I am a little disappointed they didn't keep the 30 litre tank it was wearing when it was photographed in Germany. All the same, I think it should be a good bike.
Accessories dear boy :wink: :wink: that's how BMW make most of theor money and John's bpys are catching on. I might be wrong but I think the 800 is the first Trumpet that has had crash bars offered as an official accessory, look at the growth of Triumph hogh end merchandise with big names in recent years.
Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"Accessories dear boy :wink: :wink:
Yup. It's amazing what the psychology of someone who wants "something special" for their bike for a few hundred can do to the profitability of a sale. While I love my Thunderbike bars, I'm convinced they cost about $50 to produce, with a pricetag of over $500, that's a pretty high margin. Now I know the fixed costs to gear up to manufacture is still high (I suspect 10-50 grand for the Thunderbike bars), that's only 100 sales before you're in the black at the most.
Quote from: "CoolHandLuke"I am a little disappointed they didn't keep the 30 litre tank it was wearing when it was photographed in Germany. All the same, I think it should be a good bike.
I know it's pedantic but it was the SOF and Triumph had a dicky fit :D
It's all relative as they say,I'll certainley go to the NEC show and have a decent look at it which I certainley didn't with the 800,and maybe have a test ride,although it could be a separate subject as I've test ridden early Triumph demo bikes and they ain't stock production :roll: ,both the 885i I rode in 99 and the 955i Tiger in 2001 were absolute missiles in comparsion to production stuff,oh and I include an early sprint as well.
I'm in a different situation because my 955 isn't stock,it turns like a mini moto even fully loaded with a 17" wheel and the thought of going back to a poxy cheap production shock fills me with nothing but horror after years on Ohlins,and while I enjoyed riding a 1200 Multistrada and it was better,not by much it wasn't,never mind the £10/12 grand gap.
The best mod I've ever done to my 955 is the extra tooth on the engine sprocket and thats not going to be an option(assuming it might need it) on the 1200 with shaft drive,at this point in time put me in the might be interested at a later date corner,but untill either my 955 goes bang or KTM bring out their 1200 SMT and I've had a good chance to look at that,I'll keep my 955 and the £10 grand in the bank.
And as BB has already been into, the cheapest way to run things is have more than one bike,there's no boardom factor,which is always the killer with one bike.
One bike :? You mean only one :shock: you canny be serious laddie :cry:
Good article in todays MCN about it,oddly enough a real life photo looks better than the PR glitzy version,I didn't realise it's fly by wire,which will be interesting,the Multistrada is,and I didn't realise when I took one out and takes a little ajusting too,I had it on the stop 3/4 times in the first couple of miles and then on the motorway was warp speed,like very very mild turbo lag.
I'd be interested to look at one, but don't really need another bike just this minute. (like I can afford it).
The real question is.....
What shall we name it? :D
steamer
Girly
roadie
beaker
???
Another article today in MCN about Triumph taking a leaf out of Japanese book in the early days of being great copiers,but looking at the spec of the new 1200 their certainly making a grand effort.
Seen MCN today; I really REALLY hope it's as good as the pics and hype. But then i'll want one badly..... :x
New pic of finished model with accessories, bit grainy.
:roll:
http://www.triumphadventure.com/en/ (http://www.triumphadventure.com/en/)
:wink:
KK
it's inevitable. The bike will be released. Someone will nickname it.... here is a thread where those who might like to suggest nicknames could start.
From another topic, we had:
1. Fat Cat
2. Optimus (prime)
3. Tiger Explorer
4. Big Beaker (Large Beaker?)
Toss out some ideas!
keep it clean this time around ....................mmmkay
otherwise your post will get zapped
and maybe the offender will too
it's really quite easy
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I thought about "Exploder" but that's unkind, especially since I might own one :grnb
OH shit, please don't ban me :shock:
Big Beaker seems appropriate and shortens up nicely to BB, until something more tempting hets suggested.
Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"Big Beaker seems appropriate and shortens up nicely to BB, until something more tempting hets suggested.
I'd get confused..... :roll:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"Big Beaker seems appropriate and shortens up nicely to BB, until something more tempting hets suggested.
I'd get confused..... :roll:
BB on a BB :ImaPoser hadn't considered that mate.
Cookie Monster
Cookie for short
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye8mB6VsUHw&feature=rellist&playnext=1&list=PLC26DAFD1CFA8A840
Well this bike is kinda like Beaker's boss. A big beaker. The head honcho beaker....
So....
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I'm guessing it's "Bunsen".
Guy's, come on already. why do we feel the need to rename this bike. I apologise for my last post, but it was meant as sarcasm. Triumph has given this thing a cool name already, though it may have been better suited for the 800 instead of that stupid "Beaker" name given on this(only), but it is what it is. I for one will refer to this bike as the Explorer :pottytrain2 . mustang - pm sent.
But - there is already an Explorer, with a shady past, as well.
Let's just call it "Ford"
As in Prefect, of course. Many folk will simply look upon that name and mispronuciate it as Perfect, which we all know Triumphs ARE.
So there, it's now to be called "Ford"
After all, we let them use Thunderbird, and they screwed that one up...
Cosmo
Quote from: "nickcalne"I'm guessing it's "Bunsen".
better than honeydew! (dr. bunsen honeydew)
I reckon it should called "The Gym". Because anyone that drops one is going to have to have spent some time in a gym learning to weight lift. :shock:
Actually, I agree with aeronica that Explorer is fine as it is but also that the Explorer monica would have been better used on the 800XC.
QuoteHigh-capacity generator
Class leading 950w generator allows the simultaneous running of multiple electrical accessories, including heated rider and pillion seats, heated grips, high power fog lights and a top box with integrated power supply for charging on the move. The bike also comes fitted with a power socket situated close to the ignition, which can be used to power a GPS unit or items of heated clothing.
950 watts you can put aircraft landing lights on this sucker and still have power left over for your coffemaker :ImaPoser
QuoteRider aids
Electronic cruise control, traction control and switchable ABS brakes give Explorer riders piece of mind, and come as standard equipment.
I am starting to like this beast ....................even the look is starting to grow on me , oh hell I'm doomed ...........want want want :love10
Launched 2day :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8etqcBSwms
KK
I suggest "Devourer" !
1. To eat up greedily (miles/road/perhaps fuel)
2. To destroy, consume, or waste: other unnamed brands of biggies
3. To take in eagerly: what one will do when placed on bike 8) 8)
4. To prey upon voraciously: yes yes wanna have one yyes yes yyyeesss
Please don't ban :oops:
M
eicma milan italy - german interview...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PibJE201O8
eicma milan italy - simon warburton
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L3hu1Hissh8
With the pictures of the Kawasaki's 1000 Versys in todays comic along with obligatory ugly silencer but IMO a better looking front end, it certainly give buyers a fair old choice,Triumph will be looking over their shoulder before they've sold a bike.
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Hello all,
When do we get a section on the forum devoted to the Tiger 1200 ??
You lot have forgotten the sarcasm thing.
Best one I've seen by some margin is 'Dora'
do you think there will be enough interest to warrant it ...........
The Roadie forum ...............**crickets ***
The Beaker Forum .............just barely above **crickets**
Anyone going to the NEC to see the 'beast' up close & personal :?: :?: :?:
Tiger Explorer Specifications are on the Triumph site now !!
a bit weird me thinks, it uses the same tyre sizes as a 955i :icon_scratch
and is tryin to put another 30bhp throught the rear :shock: :?
nice bike tho :wink:
KK
Chris, that Versys looks like a multi strada to me, I agree with triumph looking over their shoulders tho'.
I will be at the NEC to see the beast in the flesh, doing some stand duty for the TRF.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"You lot have forgotten the sarcasm thing.
Best one I've seen by some margin is 'Dora'
Go on then, I've had a hard day......
Oh, and how about Notta?" As in Notta BMW.....
Quote from: "Chris Canning"You lot have forgotten the sarcasm thing.
Best one I've seen by some margin is 'Dora'
Dora the Explorer.............. :hello2
Dora - I like it!
Somebody mentioned it elsewhere, and I liked it, Transformer. It looks like a transformer monster.
Well I've always looked at the Triumph Tiger lot with avid interest :roll: ,stuff like World Superbike or Moto GP,even Simoncelli's death go completely unnoticed,but a meet up and camping in a field does :shock:
BUT,in the 12 years I've had a Tiger I've seen more Tiger sites than any others for the bikes that I own,in fact I've probably seen more Tiger sites than all the rest put together.
3 Yahoo sites
Tiger Triple and it's for runner started by a guy who went and bought a GS!! and left
Rat site
1050 site
800 site
And now a 1200 site
Not sure what it says about Tiger owners but it's certainley saying somthing :D
I'll be having a look at the NEC.
Not sure about that hard luggage, I noticed someone wobbling a pannier about in one of the clips.
Any suggestions about which bits to prod/ break or otherwise investigate bearing in mind the things will probably be crawling with wannabes and spotty adolescents?
The movie Alice in Wonderland started out with 'white rabbit' runnining about muttering " . . . I'm late, I'm Late" ..........
- Inferring Triumph should have been the leader in this game.
In the song White Rabbit . . . "if you go chasing rabbits . . ." infers you will never catch him ... you will fall as your mind runs about . . . . .
I propose Rabbit . . . . .
... we could put in a sound clip of
Grace Slick and Jefferson Airplane to spice it up!
I,ll be there on the first Saturday, but only cos I get a cheap deal on a coach run by the Christian M,cycle Association. :roll: No I arent a member (I don,t think they would have me if they really knew me)
Yes, I think it warrants it.
At least we'll be able to go straight to where we want to find out what the guys on here are saying about it.
Just my ten peneth :D
I think each model should have its own section just because each model will have its own questions, idiosyncrasies and farkles.
Quote from: "Big G"Hello all,
When do we get a section on the forum devoted to the Tiger 1200 ??
Hey Big G !! its been a long wait :roll: i hope the new Tigger 1200 is wat you've been waitin for :D
it sure looks the biz !!
KK
I'll be there on Friday 25th..... :D
Quote from: "Mustang"Quote from: "Chris Canning"You lot have forgotten the sarcasm thing.
Best one I've seen by some margin is 'Dora'
Dora the Explorer.............. :hello2
Given that she's my grand daughter's favourite I must have been real tired :roll:
For the same reason the steamer lot cut us off at the neck with 'Girly' :evil: :D ,it's a rather nice thought doing the same to the 1200 :oops:
Bought a 1200 Dora have!!! how nice :D,thats their halo round their ankles!!
:D Dora...... :thumbsup gets my vote!
Quote from: "BONANZA"I,ll be there on the first Saturday, but only cos I get a cheap deal on a coach run by the Christian M,cycle Association. :roll: No I arent a member (I don,t think they would have me if they really knew me)
There has got to be a 'christ on a bike' type joke in there somewhere... :roll:
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"Quote from: "Big G"Hello all,
When do we get a section on the forum devoted to the Tiger 1200 ??
Hey Big G !! its been a long wait :roll: i hope the new Tigger 1200 is wat you've been waitin for :D
it sure looks the biz !!
KK
Hi Mate,
I so wanted the Tiger 1200 to be a bike for me, and it would be if it wasn't for the 20 litre fuel tank. Rumour has it there will be an "ADV" version out in the future with increased range, so I think I'll sit back and wait.
Quote from: "John Stenhouse"Chris, that Versys looks like a multi strada to me, I agree with triumph looking over their shoulders tho'.
I will be at the NEC to see the beast in the flesh, doing some stand duty for the TRF.
I agree with you John, I see this as more of a Multistrada competition....and one beaten with the ugly stick pretty hard. I'm sure it will be a hit if priced right though, filling the gap for those who can't afford to purchase or operate a Duc.
Quote from: "Big G"I so wanted the Tiger 1200 to be a bike for me, and it would be if it wasn't for the 20 litre fuel tank.
How big should it be?,20 liters has got to be good for 200 miles,thats 2.5 hours in the saddle minimum,time to stretch your legs me thinks :roll:
Quote from: "chairhead":D Dora...... :thumbsup gets my vote!
Mine too :thumbsup
Chairhead,
I don't think you'll get anywhere near 200 miles out of 20 litres.
I currently get 43mpg out of my 955 and get a range of about 220 miles on a 24 litre tank of fuel. Let's say you get 43mpg out of the 1200, then it comes in at well under 200 miles. And don't forget, you don't go looking for fuel when the tanks empty, you go looking with about a 40 mile reserve.
And so called "Big Trailie's" have traditionally had big tanks and long range so you can go and explore places off the beaten track where there are no fuel stops. Looks like most of the manufacturers have forgotten that, or no longer think that that's what touring riders want ?
G,
not wanting split hairs,the 955i's fuel tank holds 23 liters,3.5 when the low
fuel warning lamp comes on,(thats what the official workshop manual says)
and how much mpg you get from that depends on how you ride of course,
the best mpg i had when the bike was solo was 250 miles to the tank.....
all of it :D , and that was @ 80mph
if you are contemplating going off road or off the beaten track then your
average speed will drop(unless you are a crusty demon of dirt of course :lol: )
therefor fuel consumption will drop too,
even if Triumph do bring out "ADV" style Dora its unlikley the tank will be
that much bigger,maybe 5 liters, would be interesting to know what the
mpg actually is for Dora,if i were in the market for a new bike and i wish i
were,a 20 liter tank wouldnt be the deciding factor,horses for courses
though 8)
Chair,
Agreed, no need to split hairs, and we all want different things from a bike. And the idea of a forum is we all have our say and have a good natter about it, whether we agree or not - and that's what we've done :D
I get nearer 48/50 with the roadie and I don't expect it would be less with the 1200, why? Engine technology is moving on all the time and fly by wire will help even more.
By 150 miles I am ready to take a break no matter how good the saddle and ergonomics are, hell I can't even sit on the sofa for longer than that, no matter how hard I try :D
Until we get some real world figures and not from crotch rocket journos, this is all just Olympic level speculation :wink:
Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"I get nearer 48/50 with the roadie and I don't expect it would be less with the 1200, why? Engine technology is moving on all the time and fly by wire will help even more.
hope you're not disapointed... I expected the 800 to be better than my steamer/TBS/955i with it being lightweight and having all the latest electrikery, but not so..
Put me in the 23/24 litres want bracket,not a case of how far I can ride,but after I've ridden 150/160 miles and the next fuel is 40/50 miles down the road or more I don't want to be faffing about on a knife edge trying to find it,the other thing I live,depending on which ferry I've got off 175/200 miles from them and with both my Tiger and an 1100s BM with an extended tank to 24 liters can do home in one hit,20 litres is no good too me,I've found travelling fast can have as much to do with refuelling as a fast engine.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"I don't want to be faffing about on a knife edge
I think you must be trying pretty hard not to find a fuel stop in the UK 50
miles before you need to fill up,hardly a knife edge situation :lol: ,
id love a larger tank,all im saying is it being 3 liters smaller than my
Girly's would'nt put me off :wink:
Quote from: "chairhead"Quote from: "Chris Canning"I don't want to be faffing about on a knife edge
I think you must be trying pretty hard not to find a fuel stop in the UK 50
miles before you need to fill up,hardly a knife edge situation :lol: ,
id love a larger tank,all im saying is it being 3 liters smaller than my
Girly's would'nt put me off :wink:
There's a very simple answer to that apart from to and from the ferry I don't ride the Tiger in UK,50 miles in central Spain,East of Prague,and oddly enough there's a black hole for fuel south of Dijon on the autoroute that I've been cought out more times than enough,and it's rare I get more than very low 40's from the Tiger and very often high 30's.
Quote from: "chairhead"Quote from: "Big G"I so wanted the Tiger 1200 to be a bike for me, and it would be if it wasn't for the 20 litre fuel tank.
How big should it be?,20 liters has got to be good for 200 miles,thats 2.5 hours in the saddle minimum,time to stretch your legs me thinks :roll:
I hear this argument all the time about "2.5 hours in the saddle, I'm ready to get off" and it misses the point of the larger tanks. Here in the western US it's about maximum fuel range when there is a large span of travel with no fuel stations available. I usually stop several times in the span of the tank full to stretch my legs, but there isn't a gas station anywhere in site. One example I can think of is Ely Nevada to Tonopah Nevada. It is about 170 miles between points with no gas anywhere in between. A bike with 200 miles fuel range will get you there, but you still sweat a little blood looking at your "low fuel light" for the last 50 miles. From Caliente to Tonopah is even longer, but sometimes you can buy a gallon of gas from a cafe in the middle, if they have any. I never plan for that gas. Point is I stop and stretch my legs when needed, but there is no gas to be had for a long time.
I'm wondering if Triumph spec'd a smaller gas tank due to the new methods of determining "ride ready weight" formula that includes a full tank of gas. A 24 liter gas tank just adds weight to the bike's spec's. I can look past that, but maybe Triumph doesn't think most people would.
You've got a couple of very valid points there Mike.
Maybe that is the driver behind it, if that's the case then even if Triumph don't do it here is an opening for a larger tank, personally I'd rather carry a spare jerry can low down and then I also know exactly how much range I have rather than rely on a level gauge / warning light / countdown, maybe I'm too old but I always like the reserve tap.
Normally I don't plan rides to that level, part of the ejoyment, and yes we are spoilt a bit in Europe but if I was doing that kind of ride I'd be doing a bit more research.
One thing that I am concerned about is the fly by wire, not a luddite but I do want to be able to ride home or to service with a bit more than limp home, say 80% of norm. The Multistrada has a cable backup, though I don't know the details of it's workings, hope Triumph can manage that. Dumping the bike during a fordding is not that uncommon, how a bar tps would survive compared to a traditional twist grip I'd rather not find out myself.
If the fly by wire is anything like my 08 Harley Ultra Classic I would not worry. I find the fly by wire works very well. I especially like it when using cruise because as soon as you activate the cruise, it de-activates the hand throttle and you don't feel the throttle moving under your hand. You just forget about the hand throttle until you cancel the cruise mode.
I've changed my mind on what I think we should call this new bike. I like "shaftie" or "the shaft". I think the shaft drive is the most significant change to the new Tiger.
That's interesting, like I said, not so worried about it working, more about when it doesn't.
Now that's a fresh one SHAFT big bad dude :wink:
Damn I won't be able to get that tune out of my head for the rest of the day :roll:
Note to all: I've changed my user name from Big G to Tiger-G. This makes it the same on all the bike forums I frequent :D
As for fuel range, let's look at where we started with the Tiger in 1993. It had a 25 litre tank and had a comfortable range of 250 miles. Then with the introduction of the 955 that went down to 24 litres and a 210 mile range. Then it was the 800 with a 150 mile range.
Is that progress ??
For those of us that class oursleves as "proper" ADV riders, where we are out all day in the middle of knowwhere with no fuel stations, I think fuel range and a big tank are important.
It seems that's not the case with manufacturers lately. They are now making "Big Trailies", that have traditionally had massive tanks and long range, and putting smaller tanks on them with much less range. Maybe they have to think of the mass market, keeping weight down for more "fragile" riders ??
There's a discussion going on on the ADV forum about the range of the Tiger 1200. These are people that get out and want to ride all day in countrys where fuel stations are few and far between.
I live near the Scottish Borders and when I go out for a ride I'm out for the day and will cover about 350 to 400 miles on little obscure roads at warp factor 10, where there are no fuel stations. I want to be able to travel long distance without worrying about fuel. Tradionally, what a "Big Trailie" did.
So I suppose some of us want a big tank and long range, and some of us aren't bothered because they don't go far enough to warrant it - horses for courses ??
Sounds like a job for the 'Aftermarket' boys, this one :!:
I wonder if there'll be two versions like the 800 :?:
Quote from: "mat-tiger1"I wonder if there'll be two versions like the 800 :?:
You mean two versions like a stock GS and an Adventurer. :wink:
If I'm not mistaken the BMW GSA has a larger tank too....?
If the new tiger tank's no bigger on the adventure equivalent, I'm going start making alu tanks in the shed. The market will be there, not because many people need such a tank but because they want to feel like they do. (and why not) Think touratech or similar.
I wouldn't worry if triumph make the tank this big or that big, an aftermarket tank will be along shortly as Mat-tiger suggests.
It's a nice idea but would cost telephone numbers,having spent a lot of my own time having a batch of aftermarket tanks made for the BM 1100s taking them from 18ish to nearly 24 liters,I can tell you to have a tank made you'll be looking at the very minimum of £500 if not more.
I know of a plastic option for a Ducati Hypermotard and that was around the same price.
Great artical in todays MCN about the new 1200,the spy shot taken last year in the South of France with the big tank!! that was the finished article :roll: Triumph lost their nerve at the last minute and have done a re-design and also gone for the smaller tank.
I was getting more and more interested in the Explorer, until tonight. The full specs now on the Triumph website show that at 962mm wide I will not be able to get one down my back passage. :shock:
Oh well looks like the Girly will be in service for a wee bit longer.
Well got to see my first one in the flesh,looks a lot better than the photos :? a grey one and also one in white ,from behind it's very small,but if that motor is producing the HP they say it those tyres ain't going to last 5 minutes,never mind keep it connected to the road.
Quote from: "robxxxx"I was getting more and more interested in the Explorer, until tonight. The full specs now on the Triumph website show that at 962mm wide I will not be able to get one down my back passage. :shock:
Oh well looks like the Girly will be in service for a wee bit longer.
:shock: not one for proctologists then :wink:
Quote from: "Tiger-G"Then with the introduction of the 955 that went down to 24 litres and a 210 mile range.
when I go out for a ride I'm out for the day and will cover about 350 to 400 miles on little obscure roads at warp factor 10, where there are no fuel stations.
That would be 23 liters :roll: ,
Thats good MPG if there are no fuel stations,still i suppose its to be expected from a real "ADV" rider :lol: :wink:
and as for covering huge distances, well ,respect!,im more of a sunday bimble man who only rides on sunny days and when my wife allows me :wink:
Quote from: "chairhead"im more of a sunday bimble man who only rides on sunny days and when my wife allows me :wink:
Which makes you part of a very large majority!!!
is "sunday bimble " code for "snow up to my ass " :ImaPoser
beat me to it Mustang, I was going to bring up the photo of having to warm the beer to thaw it enough to drink :lol:
Quote from: "Mustang"is "sunday bimble " code for "snow up to my ass " :ImaPoser
:ImaPoser :icon_salut
My apologies if the 955 tank is only 23 litres, I could have sworn it was 24 ??
Quote from: "Tiger-G"My apologies if the 955 tank is only 23 litres, I could have sworn it was 24 ??
Hey Big Tiger G !! :lol: as per Triumph handbook........
FUEL
Type . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Unleaded 95 RON
Tank Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24 Litres
KK
ps nice one Mustang - is "sunday bimble " code for "snow up to my ass " :ImaPoser
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"Quote from: "Tiger-G"My apologies if the 955 tank is only 23 litres, I could have sworn it was 24 ??
Hey Big Tiger G !! :lol: as per Triumph handbook.......
FUEL
Type . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Unleaded 95 RON
Tank Capacity . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 24 Litres
KK
ps nice one Mustang - is "sunday bimble " code for "snow up to my ass " :ImaPoser
Hey KK!! :lol: as per the Triumph sevice manual.............i can only write what i read :wink:
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ps i take you know as to what Mustang is refering? :ImaPoser
Quote - ps i take you know as to what Mustang is refering?
Oh Yeah !! :lol: your half polar bear, you !! :lol:
23, 24 :roll: as usual, Triumph left hand don't know wat the right hands do'in !! i think we should just call it 23.5 Lt :wink:
when i get anywhere near 200ml i'm on the lookout for fuel no matter wat the gauge says :shock:
KK
ps not long now till the white stuff !!
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"i think we should just call it 23.5 Lt :wink:
KK
Good shout :lol:
Wife Permitting, I hear you :wink:
Well spent a good half hour looking and having a sit on it close up at the NEC show,I could waffle on about the pro's and cons',but I'll shorten it by saying it's a NO from me. :(
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Well spent a good half hour looking and having a sit on it close up at the NEC show,I could waffle on about the pro's and cons',but I'll shorten it by saying it's a NO from me. :(
C'mon Chris,
spill the beans.............,good bad no matter :roll:
Seating position is classic BM GS,nice engine and tranny,jesus it must have the smallest rear dif I've ever seen on a bike bar non,but the rest on close inspection in my eyes is a just a lash up,stead of all the plastic crap they've stuck on the side of the tank(to make it nice and wide!!) that could just as easily been fuel tank and a lot less to break.
But the wheels :( ,I'm no lover of the 19" wheels it has all the disadvantages of both a 21" and 17" either put a 21 in an attempt to make it a proper offroader of a 17" to give loads of front end grip,and how the hell they hope to channel all that HP though that Mickey Mouse back wheel I've no idea :? .
But hey,beauty is in the eye of the beholder,and I'm sure someone will be along who has a deposit on one or intends to buy and say other wise and on a test ride be fantastic,but definetly not my bag.
Thanks for you're input Chris,
im not in the market for a new bike,tbh theres not alot out there that
interests me,i think though i could quite easily have another Girly as a
solo machine for quick blats to the continent
Quote from: "Chris Canning"But the wheels :( ,I'm no lover of the 19" wheels it has all the disadvantages of both a 21" and 17" either put a 21 in an attempt to make it a proper offroader of a 17" to give loads of front end grip,and how the hell they hope to channel all that HP though that Mickey Mouse back wheel I've no idea :? .
But hey,beauty is in the eye of the beholder,and I'm sure someone will be along who has a deposit on one or intends to buy and say other wise and on a test ride be fantastic,but definetly not my bag.
My experience with the 19" front wheel is that it is a whole hell of a lot better on the dirt and gravel than the 17" wheel and it's not a lot worse than a 17" wheel on the paved road. I can keep a pretty good pace with the sport bikes on the paved roads with my Girly, but they can't come close to do what I can do off road. If you do not have any plans to run in the dirt I can certainly see why you wouldn't like the 19" wheel.
Now the rear wheel and tire on the new bike, that's another story, I suppose that's why the bike will come with traction control (did it see that correctly?).
Thanks Chris for your observations, I've been waiting for exactly that kind of feedback.
I had a good look today at the NEC, and the first thing I noticed was with the standard seat in low position I had both feet flat on the ground no problem. With my Girly my heels are a good half inch or so in the air. Has to be good for low speed confidence. This has been acheived, partially at least, by narrowing the seat at the front.
The power socket is at the front of the tank by the headstock, good for satnav, and the rear suspension is hand adjustable, probably while sitting on the bike.
Screen is adjusted by slackening off on both sides and tilting to the desired angle. not something you could do on the move. The taller version is 30mm higher and it looks like it needs it. The man said they have spent a lot of time working on aerodynamics following my comments on how crap the standard setup on my Girly is, it certainly looks like its off a GS!
Apparently the Arrows can option is "smaller" but not that much, although there will be more options and accessories than any previous Triumph, now theres a surprise.
The same panniers are fitted to the 800 and are linked by a bar across the back which allows them to move from side to side, Very odd arrangement in my view and certainly not one you would want to drop.
And if you get your order in quick you get lots of goodies including the spot lights and crash bars for the first however many orders.
I won't be one of them, I want to see how it goes first, but I will be looking very seriously at it (once I have seen what the new Trophy looks like)
If you have a spare half hour amuse yourself going through this,bearing in mind no one has ridden one,the tank thread and who rides like what is a good'un!!.
Am I the only one who's starting to think the ugly first spy shot may have been the better option :roll:
http://www.tiger-explorer.com/index.php (http://www.tiger-explorer.com/index.php)
Quote from: "Chris Canning"If you have a spare half hour amuse yourself going through this,bearing in mind no one has ridden one,the tank thread and who rides like what is a good'un!!.
Am I the only one who's starting to think the ugly first spy shot may have been the better option :roll:
http://www.tiger-explorer.com/index.php (http://www.tiger-explorer.com/index.php)
Chris,
It's not often we agree on anything but yes the spy shots with the big tank was the bike for me. Triumph lost their bottle and f@cked up yet again with the Tiger !!
If I can digress a little.
The tank thread is something that rarely gets spoken about,I've spent the majority of my life before the internet,I got my info from my pers on a face to face basis,you now have the internet warrior who talks a good fight and if they are on a board long enough you work out that their idea of biking isn't yours,and that thread hilighted that with diffrent opinions on travelling on a bike,it's almost worth keeping a note of names etc,because the guy who tells you how good his tyres are in another thread you see he thinks 300 miles down the road is a long way.
I got involved with a Tiger ride out many years ago,these guys turned up all the gear and apart from the guy running it with his little boy on the back and his mate with a GS it was embarassing,as my other half said 'What the hell are we doing with this lot',but they have an opinion like it or not.
Re the 1200
Have Triumph f/up well they have for me,but I'm aware that I'm in the minority,most customers are not hard core,who don't go travelling to southern Spain on their bike for a holiday,they leave it in the garage and go to Spain on package and lie on the beach for two weeks,and come back to the internet to talk tosh about bikes,one of the best sources of info I have ever come across is the bike queue at the ferry port.
So when it comes to selling units!!! I think it'll sell well,the fact that oddballs like me/you/BT do something different doesn't make it wrong,I went to the NEC with an open mind,it was like bees round a honeypot and just great people watching even how they get on and off a bike :roll: ,but their money is as good as yours or mine and in the end there's a lot more of them,even though I'd put them firmly in the numpty class,it's the way it is!!!
Your diatribes are always a good read Chris, even for a numpty like me :wink:
Having had a peek yesterday, I'm with Chris on this one, anyone looked at the one with crash bars on and worked out where it would hit if dropped? I reckon it would take out that "lovely" bit with explorer on :oops:
I had a look today at the NEC - i think it will sell pretty well. In fact the whole Triumph stand seemed to be the most popular to me, especially compared to the Suzuki and Kwak stands - very dull (except maybe for the Versys 1000).
I also (surprisingly) liked the Super Tenere and the Honda Crosstourer! Overall a pretty good show I thought.
Great rant Chris!
BMW 'legendary' reliabilty is the same story. It's fine if you ride your GS on the blacktop, do less than 5000 miles a year and trade it in after two. However, the idea of my magic key rejecting my bike 200 miles the wrong side of rabbit flat road house just doesn't appeal and explains why I'm still riding my 955 with the ks creeping up towards the 120 mark.
You have to hand it to Triumph. They've ticked all the Ewan and Charlie wannabe boxes and will sell a boatload of 1200s. Good luck to them.
I rode my old 955 1200 miles in a day in August and 4500 miles over the five days and have never been happier.
When it does wear out I guess I'll just have to make an XC more comfortable for the long hauls between the tracks I want to ride. I'd rather invest the money building more fuel capacity into something I can pick up if it falls over and isn't game over if I bend a rim.
Had a look at Dora yesterday. Like Chris, I think I'll be sticking with my Girly. It's a very tall engine so the C of G is not going to be helped by that. And these days I don't worry so much about getting the Girly scratched.
I would love a seat that low on the Girly though. On Dora I had both feet flat on the floor :lol:
They will sell shed loads on the flat foot alone, especially out here :wink:
Well sadly without even going into the faintest whys and wherefore's I had a chance meeting last week and for those that are not happy with the said model wait and see what else turns up.
Although I did point out the thought of riding a heavyweight with 130hp on what amounts to bicycle tyres didn't appeal,so please Mr Bloor if you read this I'd like a larger tank,17" front wheel and a 6" rear so I can fit a 190 rear and use that HP :D
Hi Mr. Bloor. Speaking as one from the other side of the pond, I'd like to whole heartedly endorse a large(r) tank. I absolutely NEED a tank that can take me a minimum of 250 miles between refills or I'll be pushing this 570# behemoth along the Dempster Highway towards Inuvik, NWT and that will be a bad thing.
One more thing, Sir, and please don't tell Mr. Canning, but could you leave the 19" front wheel? Even though this is a beast, my sweetheart and I will be riding it on dirt roads that we shouldn't be riding it on and will need all the help we can get.
Sincerely
Actually rather interestingly Kev Ash wrote a great article last week in the MCN about the variations in new big Traillies or as he said the new sports tourer's.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"So when it comes to selling units!!! I think it'll sell well,the fact that oddballs like me/you/BT do something different doesn't make it wrong,
Call yourself an oddball if you like. What I do with my bike is quite normal to me. Has been for years.
I do agree, though, that we are not in the majority when it comes to bike usage and it's that majority Triumph are tapping into. They've seen the research that points out that the vast majority of GS owners never get them dirty. They just buy for the image.
This 1200 is not for me. It's just too heavy for a start. The only progress over the Girly is that it has more bhp. As I get older and have lost a lot of fitness and strength over the last 10~15 years, I'm looking for a lighter bike that can do anything and I bought one of those in June and I'll stick with it for the foreseeable future. The only way I'll change my 800XC is if the next version of it is 20Kgs lighter. At the moment it is the perfect all-rounder.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Actually rather interestingly Kev Ash wrote a great article last week in the MCN about the variations in new big Traillies or as he said the new sports tourer's.
And he's right. The "adventure" segment is splitting into two camps. It seems that the Japs have bottled it by not challenging the GS directly. That just leaves Triumph and Moto Guzzi in the "dirt road" capable segment which I think will sell the most because it covers three bases :-
1, they make exceedingly good touring bikes.
2, they have a roughty toughty image.
3, you can explore a dirt track.
The Jap segment only covers #1.
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/wing2541/Le-Mans2011140.jpg)
Is that today's Chris?
Yep and another 2 pages after that,it's interesting reading!!the bottom line,they lost their nerve after the slagging they got after the spy shot.
yep the final version look's like a BMW 1200 GS adventure clone ,
my steamer's gonna be around for quite awhile I think
:shock:
It's interesting how the colour changes the bike,the black tank version looks a horror but the photo in blue doesn't look half bad,but the write up is an eye opener,the more I read the more nervous I become,not for me but for Triumph,I hope they've got this thing right for their sake.
Which comic?
I guess I can see it both ways. I can see those who would want this new 1200, heck if someone wants to give me one I'd gladly have it! I have no desire for the big tires and sportbike front wheel personally. I like the ability to get off the beaten track, although admittedly I spend most of my time on the asphalt. For me, personally I'd rather the compromise racetrack performance for gravel road abilities. My ideal would be the 800XC with 50-70lbs off it's back. Looks are really not that important to me...clearly as the owner of a 955i Tiger and a KLR :oops: I don't really need more than 100hp, but would like light weight and loads of suspench.
Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"Which comic?
MCN
Quote from: "JTT"I guess I can see it both ways. I can see those who would want this new 1200, heck if someone wants to give me one I'd gladly have it! I have no desire for the big tires and sportbike front wheel personally. I like the ability to get off the beaten track, although admittedly I spend most of my time on the asphalt. For me, personally I'd rather the compromise racetrack performance for gravel road abilities. My ideal would be the 800XC with 50-70lbs off it's back. Looks are really not that important to me...clearly as the owner of a 955i Tiger and a KLR :oops: I don't really need more than 100hp, but would like light weight and loads of suspench.
As someone who gave up riding a road bike for the best part of 10 years to race offroad,I can understand the above,but who the hell wants to go offroading on a 130hp bike with bicycle tyres :? :D
Quote from: "Chris Canning"As someone who gave up riding a road bike for the best part of 10 years to race offroad,I can understand the above,but who the hell wants to go offroading on a 130hp bike with bicycle tyres :? :D
Exactly. I don't even need 100hp. I most definitely understand your point Chris. Add to that what I am to understand is a very limited access to "offroad" and an abundance of good and fast asphalt, your needs may be quite different from mine.
In my part of the world, secondary roads are often so destroyed by frost and heavy trucks that they may SX tracks look like billiard tables (in fact dirt and gravel roads are often far smoother)...light weight, big wheels and lots of suspension make life much more pleasant :wink:
As the current owner of an XT660X and having ridden the Tenere,surely this has to be a better option.
http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=1 ... =akrapovic (http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=18052&highlight=akrapovic)
Quote from: "Chris Canning"As the current owner of an XT660X and having ridden the Tenere,surely this has to be a better option.
http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=1 ... =akrapovic (http://www.xt660.com/showthread.php?t=18052&highlight=akrapovic)
won't let us in without out your username and password ...............
Quote from: "JTT"I guess I can see it both ways. I can see those who would want this new 1200, heck if someone wants to give me one I'd gladly have it! I have no desire for the big tires and sportbike front wheel personally. I like the ability to get off the beaten track, although admittedly I spend most of my time on the asphalt. For me, personally I'd rather the compromise racetrack performance for gravel road abilities. My ideal would be the 800XC with 50-70lbs off it's back. Looks are really not that important to me...clearly as the owner of a 955i Tiger and a KLR :oops: I don't really need more than 100hp, but would like light weight and loads of suspench.
Exactly right. :thumbsup
Oh yea forgot about the joys of a don't join can't see website :oops:
Quote from: "Chris Canning"As someone who gave up riding a road bike for the best part of 10 years to race offroad,I can understand the above,but who the hell wants to go offroading on a 130hp bike with bicycle tyres :? :D
Ah yes, true, but it's essential for the run to Starbucks don't y' know daaaling........ :wink:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Ah yes, true, but it's essential for the run to Starbucks don't y' know daaaling........ :wink:
:ImaPoser
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Timbox/Bixxer
There you go,you have the info :D
http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/ ... d-testing/ (http://www.motorcyclenews.com/MCN/News/newsresults/New-bikes/2011/December/dec0811-triumph-tiger-explorer-spotted-testing/)
And for anyone else who dreams of 15 minutes of fame,the poor bugger who was in charge of the test mule photographed last year got the sack.
Having owned 1050 & 955 Tigers, I intend on getting a 1200. I have some questions for the learned gentlemen on here.
Am I allowed to buy this bike purely because I like it & want one, or do have to be a hardened "Adventurer" first?
Due to back problems I find I can't ride much more than a couple of hours without getting off for a stretch. Is that ok, or will the real "Adventurer" types look down their noses at me?
I normally mount my bike by swinging my right leg over it, placing my foot on the ground & my bum in the seat. Is this ok or is there a correct "Adventurer" way to do it?
My idea of an "Adventure" is going to France/Belgium/Germany with a few mates. we normally do 1500-2000 miles during our tour. Is that sufficient to justify owning an "Adventurer" bike or should I be targeting somewhere a bit more out in the wilds?
I normally wear my normal touring gear. Is that ok or must I have a whale foreskin lined, "Adventurer" Twat suit?
Can I not just buy this style of bike because, being larger than the average bloke, they are comfy, practical, have good luggage carrying capabilities, are superb on real roads, & are huge fun to ride? :D
Quote from: "bosun"Having owned 1050 & 955 Tigers, I intend on getting a 1200. I have some questions for the learned gentlemen on here.
Am I allowed to buy this bike purely because I like it & want one, or do have to be a hardened "Adventurer" first?
Due to back problems I find I can't ride much more than a couple of hours without getting off for a stretch. Is that ok, or will the real "Adventurer" types look down their noses at me?
I normally mount my bike by swinging my right leg over it, placing my foot on the ground & my bum in the seat. Is this ok or is there a correct "Adventurer" way to do it?
My idea of an "Adventure" is going to France/Belgium/Germany with a few mates. we normally do 1500-2000 miles during our tour. Is that sufficient to justify owning an "Adventurer" bike or should I be targeting somewhere a bit more out in the wilds?
I normally wear my normal touring gear. Is that ok or must I have a whale foreskin lined, "Adventurer" Twat suit?
Can I not just buy this style of bike because, being larger than the average bloke, they are comfy, practical, have good luggage carrying capabilities, are superb on real roads, & are huge fun to ride? :D
:ImaPoser :ImaPoser
Great opening post mate, you have clearly captured the true esscence of being an adventure rider :lol:
Quote from: "bosun"a whale foreskin lined, "Adventurer" Twat suit?
:ImaPoser that made me laugh...
P.S. My grandfather, for sometime the captain of a whaling ship, before moving into even less "PC" employment, used to have whale's foreskins made into golf bags for his mates. So guessing at the size there may be some milage in bosun's idea.
:ImaPoser well done and a warm welcome for saying things we thought but date not say :thumbsup that's levelled the playing field a bit.
Quote from: "bosun"Having owned 1050 & 955 Tigers, I intend on getting a 1200. I have some questions for the learned gentlemen on here.
Am I allowed to buy this bike purely because I like it & want one, or do have to be a hardened "Adventurer" first?
Due to back problems I find I can't ride much more than a couple of hours without getting off for a stretch. Is that ok, or will the real "Adventurer" types look down their noses at me?
I normally mount my bike by swinging my right leg over it, placing my foot on the ground & my bum in the seat. Is this ok or is there a correct "Adventurer" way to do it?
My idea of an "Adventure" is going to France/Belgium/Germany with a few mates. we normally do 1500-2000 miles during our tour. Is that sufficient to justify owning an "Adventurer" bike or should I be targeting somewhere a bit more out in the wilds?
I normally wear my normal touring gear. Is that ok or must I have a whale foreskin lined, "Adventurer" Twat suit?
Can I not just buy this style of bike because, being larger than the average bloke, they are comfy, practical, have good luggage carrying capabilities, are superb on real roads, & are huge fun to ride? :D
:ImaPoser :ImaPoser :ImaPoser :ImaPoser :ImaPoser
Well said Bosun & welcome. Adventure is what we make it :icon_salut
Course you can Bosun, some of us found out a while ago that whilst an opinion may be offered it doesn't have to be accepted, take your own road and enjoy the beast. I'm certainly going to ride one when they are available.
Quote from: "bosun"I normally wear my normal touring gear. Is that ok or must I have a whale foreskin lined, "Adventurer" Twat suit?
LMFOA :ImaPoser ....Big adventure to Scotland next year for us, does that count :?: :wink:
Quote from: "PeteH"Quote from: "bosun"I normally wear my normal touring gear. Is that ok or must I have a whale foreskin lined, "Adventurer" Twat suit?
LMFOA :ImaPoser ....Big adventure to Scotland next year for us, does that count :?: :wink:
Only if you survive the natives, the food and the midges :wink:
While trundling down the M6 today I see two bikes going north and thinking who the hell rides a bike on a day like this,two guys on 1200's a black'un and a blue'un no doubt doing their 300 miles a day that they have to do. :roll:
Quote from: "Chris Canning"While trundling down the M6 today I see two bikes going north and thinking who the hell rides a bike on a day like this,two guys on 1200's a black'un and a blue'un no doubt doing their 300 miles a day that they have to do. :roll:
They'll be fine as long as they plan their route very carefully and stay on motorways, dual carriageways and "A" roads where there's plenty of fuel stops. Of course they won't be able rev it too high or ride in a "spirited manner", or travel on rural "B" and "C" roads, and they definitely won't be able to risk going into Northumberland and Scotland on a bike that's designed for "the true adventurer" and to "take on the world" !!
Blimey dodgy ground this :roll: ,I had a chance meeting a while back so I can assure you Graeme you are rather some what out with your perceptions of the bike,as an insurance policy I PM'd a couple of the guys on this board(who I trust) about what went on and no doubt they'll be amused at me not sticking my head over the top of the trench to protect the individual/s concerned.
Just enjoying the banter :wink: :)
I hear the mid range is absolutely warp drive :D
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Blimey dodgy ground this :roll: ,I had a chance meeting a while back so I can assure you Graeme you are rather some what out with your perceptions of the bike,as an insurance policy I PM'd a couple of the guys on this board(who I trust) about what went on and no doubt they'll be amused at me not sticking my head over the top of the trench to protect the individual/s concerned.
:wink:
You know when that spy shot appeared I thought god almighty what a pigs ear,but I have to say I'm having second thoughts looking at the blue version with that piece of plastic on the edge of the tank to tidy it up,looks a lot less messy than the production version.
http://www.tiger-explorer.com/images/Ti ... tation.pdf (http://www.tiger-explorer.com/images/Tiger_Explorer_Presentation.pdf)
Just found this ........
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSTYD_GlwEY
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Blimey it's all go at Triumph and MCN,not only do we get the write up on the new 1200 Tiger,also get a sneak photo of a 1050 Sport Tiger!!,just hope the poor bugger riding it doesn't get the sack like guy who was on the 1200 that was snapped on 010 :(
Riding Dora;
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 20198.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-videos/video-riding-the-triumph-tiger-explorer/20198.html)
And playing with the cruise control;
http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-new ... 20200.html (http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news-videos/video-using-triumph-explorer-cruise-control/20200.html)
It's an interesting write up,needs a certain amount of digesting because if you read between the lines it doesn't strike me as the great white hope everyone was expecting,open to interpretation I guess!!
I know it's new from the ground up, but it's about 2 yrs too late. Back then I had some cash burning a hole in my pocket and wasn't getting on with the Girly :roll:
Well I have to say I don't think it's a great write up,you never get to find the truth untill either another model(same sector) comes out, or a later version of the same bike,then they really tell you what they think when the pressure is off.
The way they reference both Multistrada and GS for things that are better tells you it's OK but not much more than that.
I was scratching my head when they said it carried it's weight lower than a GS. It's an upright long stroke triple. How can that be?/ :?
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"I was scratching my head when they said it carried it's weight lower than a GS. It's an upright long stroke triple. How can that be?/ :?
But you might find that the crank is lower on the Explorer. If you look at a GS the cylinders (and therefore the crank) are actually quite high off the ground and have to be to allow the bike to lean over. So if Triumph have managed to get the crank and some of the gearbox lower than a GS then that's how.
Someone cleverer than me can superimpose the two bikes to find out for sure.
With advent of a sport Tiger in the offing looks like everyone is going to be happy :D
Quote from: "Chris Canning"With advent of a sport Tiger in the offing looks like everyone is going to be happy :D
I'll challenge that statement :(
Quote from: "Tiger-G"Quote from: "Chris Canning"With advent of a sport Tiger in the offing looks like everyone is going to be happy :D
I'll challenge that statement :(
BMW not happy :lol: :wink:
Just been offered a test on the Dora, anytime after the 26th, unfortunately I'll have to wait a week after that as I'm stuck for cover at work (sigh) oh well, a week won't make a lot of difference.
You always manage to get to the front of the Q John :lol:
Well its hear at last...............
http://www.triumphworld.co.uk/pages/new ... -march.htm (http://www.triumphworld.co.uk/pages/news/triumphworld_news/explorer-launch-night-22nd-march.htm)
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Off to Lings shortly for the official Dora launch. Here's trying to not buy one... :roll:
Edit.... Just heard a rumour that the owner dropped the launch bike on delivery last week, hope it's fixed :lol:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Off to Lings shortly for the official Dora launch. Here's trying to not buy one... :roll:
Best of luck,the more I look at it the less I like it :( ,the write ups leave a lot to be desired,doesn't take a great deal of reading between the lines,and when the new GS comes out you'll get the unedited version on the Explorer then.
I went to my local dealer for th e'unveiling'... the Pringles were nice and I had a decent ride over there on my 800... :)
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Off to Lings shortly for the official Dora launch. Here's trying to not buy one... :roll:
Best of luck,the more I look at it the less I like it :( ,the write ups leave a lot to be desired,doesn't take a great deal of reading between the lines,and when the new GS comes out you'll get the unedited version on the Explorer then.
Good grief! What reviews are you reading? I've read just about every review going & I've hardly seen anything bad written at all. I've ridden it & can confirm it's all true. It is a very, very good bike.
Went to the launch at my local dealers in Chester and have to say I was somewhat underwhelmed, 4k more than an 800 :shock:
Ok, its bigger, and er bigger...
It sits too low for anything off road even though a decent bash plates fitted.
It sits too low with the standard seat fitted...good for shorties tho :wink:
It wears the same tyres as mine :ImaPoser and I`m a good 37 horses less :wink:
The exhaust looks like... well...not a nice as the 800`s :(
Oh, and it needs a front fender extender as standard.
Looks well enough tho :lol:
I'm 6'4 & found the seat height was fine. There is a taller seat option too.
I doubt anyone is seriously going to take these offroad any way. People tend to become fixated with the whole offroad thing. It's a tourer than can cope with dirt tracks.
Don't worry about the tyre size. The traction control takes care of the rear. Tyre sizes mean it's alot more nimble than you would think it should be.
You won't be ROFL if you take one for a test ride, but you will come back with a stupid grin on your face. :D
Quote from: "bosun"Good grief! What reviews are you reading? I've read just about every review going & I've hardly seen anything bad written at all. I've ridden it & can confirm it's all true. It is a very, very good bike.
You see!! you've fallen for the old 5 card trick,it's not a case of saying anything bad but write ups have been hardly stimulating either have they!!,this is a brand new bike the very least you would expect is that it blows the doors of the BM,you'll be hard pressed to find any write up saying any better than a GS apart from when the motor gets going in the mid range,at best the write ups were pleasant,you wait till the new GS turns up,you'll get the real right up on the Explorer.
As Triumph have a Tiger sport in the wings,they'll have all bases covered,but as time goes on my bet is Triumph will cus having not done their own thing(like Ducati) instead of just doing a 3 cylinder GS copy,my interpretation of the write ups 'Better but not by much'
Chris,
I've ridden it myself, so I know how good it is.
There are plenty of reviews now from the public & they are all saying how good it is too. There are plenty of GS's being traded in for it aswell.
A GS fanatic took one out from my dealer the other day. His words on returning were "After that I'll never touch another GS"
The GS is the acknowledged market leader & Triumph seem to have built a bike that is better. Can't you have at least a tiny amount of pride in that?
At least have the decency to test ride it before you slag it off any more.
I'll tell you a trick about testing a bike always take a mate with you on his, so you've something to compare,in isolation doesn't mean a thing,you've ridden it and know how good it is,thats fair enough,against what??
I see even you are cute enough to use the word 'Seem' to have built a bike that is better,it needs to be shit loads better!! BM are just around the corner with a dam sight more than what they have now,at the mo the Explorer is up against a poxy air cooled twin for god sake.
As for pride :? ,I couldn't care less,I've owned a Tiger for 11 years from new and have a couple of BM's and a Yamaha,if it's good I'll buy it,who the hell make's it is a minor detail.
Like I said, read the tests,their nice and pleasant but gushing they ain't and they should be,read the MCN test and read between the lines,this was about a new model and there were still references to both GS and Multistrada which didn't bode well,not in my book anyway.
By contrast,I've been reading for years that the GS is the best bike(traillie),I've never had a GS owner prove that to me yet,so I'll be interested to see if anyone on an Explorer can,their limited to 135 so one isn't going to out run a 955 with a 19t sprocket on,it has a smaller fuel tank and it's a bigger bike,yea yea I know I'm poo pooing the party,lets have a look at it in 12 months time :wink: ,I've never been one for the 'Kings Clothes'
Do you read any other forums? Others have other bikes to compare it with. There's a fair few on the GS forums saying how good it is.
Me, I've only had 2 955 Tigers & a 1050, so what would I know.
As for top speed, this is about the real world, not a game of Top Trumps. Same goes for the tank size. For most situations it is perfectly adequate.
Exactly how do you define how much a bike is better than another?
Personally I don't give a flying fig about which is better. A bike is a personal thing. What is better for one person may not be so for another. Ride what you like and enjoy it.
What does make me laugh is the way you seem to be able to read between the lines & interpret all the reviews as bullshit. :roll:
Quote from: "bosun"Do you read any other forums? Others have other bikes to compare it with. There's a fair few on the GS forums saying how good it is.
Me, I've only had 2 955 Tigers & a 1050, so what would I know.
As for top speed, this is about the real world, not a game of Top Trumps. Same goes for the tank size. For most situations it is perfectly adequate.
Exactly how do you define how much a bike is better than another?
Personally I don't give a flying fig about which is better. A bike is a personal thing. What is better for one person may not be so for another. Ride what you like and enjoy it.
What does make me laugh is the way you seem to be able to read between the lines & interpret all the reviews as bullshit. :roll:
There's some good stuff on there :D
Read other forums
Oddly enough there's only one forum for my Xt660X
There are 6 for the K1200 lot as I have an R sport
2 For the Tiger(955) and 2 for the r1100s
I don't dispute that some folk will rate the bike,but what is required is a big sale in units,there's a lot hanging on this bike,and while I can understand that folks say it's better than a GS(marginally) it's needs to be better than the new GS by some margin that'll be the acid test.
We've had as many Tigers as each other,although yours have been better than mine as I had 2 885i's,although on here is a posting of me travelling with 2 guys last year who were on 1050's and I was suprised at their short fuel range.
How do I define a bike,well for me it's when one comes past and buggers off into the distance and I can't do a dam thing about it,be it speed/brakes/suspension.
Your right about the personnel thing,hence why 3 of mine ain't stock,but have been in their modified state for some years after I got e'm how I wanted e'm.
How can I read between the lines,lets just say I've had a bit to do with these guys,the type of review your looking for is say like the Panigali reviews,nothing to do with being a sport bike,just a new model,when a manafacture launchs a new bike he wants 9.9 on the Richter scale not a pleasant tremor,I'm as keen as anyone to see Triumph do well,but my take is this new 1200 it has just edged the old GS and I would have expect a lot more to counter the new GS,but hey maybe the new GS will be a cockup :roll:
Blimey nearly forgot speed!!!,the faster the bike,the better it operates in real world 80/120
I think I'll take one for a test ride, take the missus to see if she is comfortable on the back. Not take a mate to compare it with his bike as I don't go for rides other than to enjoy the ride. If I feel comfortable with it and like the look of it, I spend almost as much time looking at the Steamer as I do riding it, then I might decide to buy one, end of story, for me at least.
+1 on taking Mrs BB on a test ride. Not planning to buy, just curious. Lings did us proud with Wotsits and softies (inc Irn Bru) before the unveiling and a free hog roast afterwards.
Very disracting young lady running the raffle, Tshirt and dark tights but appeared to have forgotten her skirt... :oops:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Very disracting young lady running the raffle, Tshirt and dark tights but appeared to have forgotten her skirt... :oops:
:worthless
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KK
:roll: I was more interested in the free Irn Bru comment, no really :wink:
Dear lord Sin, really? You been away too long. :shock:
There is a massive test and review in BIKE this month. They think it's better than the GS too.
There is a big article on the success of the GS and it makes for an interesting comparison.
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Very disracting young lady running the raffle, Tshirt and dark tights but appeared to have forgotten her skirt... :oops:
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KK
One can get locked up for less :roll: She had a really cheeky little errr oops here's Mrs BB.....
Irn Bru was good
And I'm half way through the BIKE article.........
Had a date with Dora yesterday
Only had an hour so thought I would explore a few small lanes as the bike was not run in a top speed blast was out
1st impressions
The seat is narrow so even my 31" legs could paddle it backwards; I normally wheel the 955i backwards
You can feel the weight as you pick it off the stand but once upright the low and narrow seat give you control
Switching on gives you a light show and a tach flick. Clutch in and a press the button. Clutch is hydraulic and light; lever is adjustable for span (positioned to low for me, just needs adjustment)
Selecting gear is again light but with a tight detent so you know you have selected the gear.
The fly by wire throttle is very light and this gave me a few moments during the ride.
Now I need to explain:- a few years ago I had an accident that left me with broken hands and wrists and I have limited movement in the wrist that means getting to full throttle is a two bites affair, I have a technique of sliding my palm forward against the stop so I can grab more of the throttle with the angle of movement in my wrist.
After the ride when talking to the boss he showed me what my problem was.
The bike has cruse control and to switch it off without touching the brakes the twist grip is moved forwards against a spring. With my technique I was pushing the twist grip to this CC off position, but only sometimes. This gave me the feeling that the bike had a slack throttle cable and needed a good handful to get it moving and then the next time the same movement gave me a lot more throttle than I wanted. If I knew about this function before the ride then I wouldn't have been so confused about what was happening.
Once on the move the bike looses the weight and steers nice. The front brakes are very powerful and being new also gave me a shock, not like the clapped out ones on my 955i. The rear pedal was placed in the right place but lacked feel and power, this could be because they where not bedded in yet.
On the twisty bits I was surprised by the lack of engine braking, with a tight engine and the shaft drive I thought this would be more pronounced, a few times I found myself needing to touch the front brake to control my entry speed, the power of the brakes had me shedding to much speed.
The engine as you would expect is very powerful even with my 5000 rpm rev limit, the bike accelerated on medium throttle like the 955i with a 17 tooth sprocket. I think the bike is limited in the first 3 gears as 4 seams to have more urge than 3rd. 1st seams low for a bike with such torque but makes for a quick get away. There is a bit of high frequency vibes at 3000 but not too obtrusive.
The demo had the tall screen and this was very good, no buffeting at the slow-ish speeds I was travelling at (5000rpm = 80 mph) same as the 955 with 19 tooth sprocket.
The bike handled well on poor roads but the front jolted a bit too much for my liking. There is a preload adjustment but no damping, so messing about with oils unless they bed in with time.
The bike responded well when standing on the pegs but my throttle problem had me nervous and I would like the bars higher.
The antilock braking came on only once, on gravel when I was using only the back, the TC only made itself known when I was playing on the soft stuff.
In conclusion
I was very impressed, considering I didn't want to like it. The performance and handling are up there. It is a while since I took a R1200GS out but the engine is better
Brakes as good but the GS has that front end, comfort and riding position about the same.
I think a second date is on the cards but it isn't luv yet
my 9 year old 955i will be a hard act to follow, it is good but!!!!!!!!!
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Hey Robbie !! Cheers for postin that review :thumbsup
sounds like a winner :wink:
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KK
ps nice pics too !!
Having meet Robbie some years ago,he cured me of this internet meet and ride out lark :D :( ,but he can ride a bike,but he's two peneeth ties in with just about every other write up I've read,it's OK,just bare in mind he has a 9 year old 955,or is hindsite starting to tell us the 955 was even better than we thought :? ,or are the majority who like the Dora non Tiger owners??
By comparison when I rode a 1200 Multistrada,the balance of the bike was what I've been chasing for 10 years or more and the motor is quick,but even then I wasn't left thinking my Tiger is stone age although mine isn't stock.
My reaction after sitting on it straight after getting off my Girly the other night was that the Girly is more comfy. The Dora seat is quite narrow due to chasing manageable leg length. Also, the reach to the bars is further and lower. I like my Girly even more now. Pity about the jelly-mould looks..... :roll:
If I had a spare £12k sloshing around I can think of worse ways to spend it, But I don't , so that's that :)
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Having meet Robbie some years ago,he cured me of this internet meet and ride out lark :D :( ,
just think of all that fuel and time I have saved you :D
Quote from: "Chris Canning"is hindsite starting to tell us the 955 was even better than we thought :? ,
By comparison when I rode a 1200 Multistrada,the balance of the bike was what I've been chasing for 10 years or more and the motor is quick,but even then I wasn't left thinking my Tiger is stone age although mine isn't stock.
I think the 955 is better than a lot of people think. But it is a bike that is supposed to do different things, so like all compromises it is not brilliant at anything and not bad at anything. It can tour with luggage but not as comfy as a pan or as fast as a blackbird. It can green lane but not as good as a KTM 640. It can carve the curves on A roads but not as good as a R1 and it can scratch B road twisties but not as good as street triple.
I have tried the Multi 1200 and it is a brilliant bike but the compromises are weighted away from what I tend to use my bike for.
Winger uses his 955i for fast 2 up touring, his modifications add to his tigers ability to do that (and it is fast and it stops, it grips I know cos I have tried to keep up) my bike is for distance touring with the family and playing on small lanes, or it was. The sprog is 15 and doesn't what to play with dad as much. SWMBO is using her bike less and refuses to camp
(should have got a younger model) :wink:
So I am using my bike differently, now it is days out pottering lanes or weekends with the lads blasting around. This means a new bike or changing what I have. Dora would be great for fast continental trips (IMHO Chris) fuel range accepted. It is more pillion friendly than the 1050. The weight and a few little niggles make me think it is not a big green lane r. what Dora is, is exactly what the Triumph design spec set out. 'Make a bike that ticks all the boxes that the GS ticks' and I think they have done just that, it isn't a quantum leap in bike design because that is not what the market wants.
If my 955 got stolen or some other disaster then I would be in the queue for the first low mileage fully loaded trade in. but it would need some mods for me to be happy.
For the moment I am looking out for new suspension and brakes, smaller panniers and the time to overhaul bearings and tart up the old girl. Triumph are going to sell loads of 1200s but not that many to 955i owners I think. Just like the 800 the 12 is different but not that different.
I remembered a few things from my test ride
The petrol tank has one of them tiny filling holes that you can not get most nozzles in it so you have to hold and aim, you cannot see how full the tank is so topping off will be a messy business.
The top of the shaft drive unit has what looks like a vent plug; more investigation would be needed before deep fording.
It is easy to put on the centre stand, but very front heavy
If you want a bigger tank and spoke wheels, you may not have to wait that long :shock: 8)
Sorry if this has been posted but i've heard the factory is looking at droping a new gearbox on and fitting a chain, are we going to get a lighter off road version ? cheers Spud :wink:
I had a look at this but the shaft form an intergral part of the engine castings and frame. It could be done and I hope it could as I would like chain (fully enclosed please) remember the TR1 Chris?
Thing I remember most about the TR1 is everyone poo pooing e'm and Yamaha selling e'm in crates at a 1000 pounds a pop and 3 years later they cost 1500 quid secondhand so maybe there's a lesson in there somewhere,enclosed chain :D ,but dry lube does me fine.
I class myself as an interested bystander with the Dora,with the Sport Tiger in the wings and I've seen my first £7500 Multistrada :D ,and my 955 not dead yet(famous last words!!) there's a long way to go and no rush.
Went for an MOT today and they had a couple of the new bikes there...
Two things struck me...
Looks- While you (definitely and quite clearly) could see how technology had marched on, it is amazing how it still was similar somehow to the older bikes. (Steamers and Girlies) It looked alright and felt pretty good. Better in the flesh than the press photo's - Aesthetically, I was far from convinced until I saw today. To my designer's eye there are a couple of hiccups here and there but it isn't the jamboree of disconnected lines I feared.
Money - It costs a whole 4k more than the 800xc. Which does kinda make you ask why. I know it's reasonable compared with it's competitors, but what makes it 50% more expensive than a near identical motorcycle? Maybe the 800xc is just good value?
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The guys in the shop said they had sold loads already, which is good to hear.
I've had mine for a week now & absolutely love it.
Virtually every person that has ridden one has loved it.
It is a very good motorcycle. :D
Good write up on all the big trallies in MCN today,ambiguous is the word I think,but good reading nontheless.
Why is it I arrange for a test ride when all the nice weather has finished?
Chairhead weather :lol:
OK, took Dora out t'other day and I enjoyed it.
Storming motor, Triumph have kept the same formula from before absolutely super motor, smooth, torque laden and ballisticly fast.
Only a couple of down sides and neither would stop me from buying one if I had a spare £14k!
Fly by wire throttle is sooooooo sensitive, but I could get used to it, and usual Triumph suspension, that is built to a price, the super Ten suspension was better.
Overall I loved it.
Spotted at Aber this morning
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Quote from: "John Stenhouse"Storming motor, Triumph have kept the same formula from before absolutely super motor, smooth, torque laden and ballisticly fast.
Only a couple of down sides and neither would stop me from buying one if I had a spare £14k!
Overall I loved it.
I was rather hoping not to hear that. All it needs now is for Bob & Chris to give it plaudits and I'm screwed :roll:
If I was in full time work then I wouldn't hesitate, but I'm not, so that's that :cry:
Oh Lord, Ernst will the last of the Triumvirate say?
I'll PM you a link to an unbiased road test,as in not a journo or a Triumph owner but a pretty quick rider,make of it what you like.
Chris, why not just post it up here for all to see. As a happy owner of an Explorer I'd be very interested to see where you are getting your info from. :)
Maybe I could then post it on the Explorer forum to see if any other owners agree with any points made.
Nope not going there there's no point,folks who have bought them have bought them and thats it,it was just an insight for those that hadn't,we could have a separate debate about single model websites that are springing up :( ,your never going to get a level headed debate on e'm,and I'm not going post a link to have a bunch of blinkered individuals joining a BM website to jump all over him,and no!! he's had that many bikes it's no more pro BM than any of other zillion bikes he's owned he can be left in peace.