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Title: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on June 27, 2021, 08:22:07 PM
OK, so I'm getting the distinct desire for a hipster  Parallel Twin bike for pootling around locally. Not to replace the Tiger, but the Tiger was a handful in town the other day, and as mentioned in a different thread, lots of heat from engine/radiator fan.. Tiger runs fine, so not a problem as such, but...
The RE Interceptor looks nice, and is well received, with a good aftermarket selection, but for about the same price as a 2 year old RE, I can get a 10 year old Bonnie/Speedmaster/America etc...They all have EFI from about 2008, but no abs on the big T until recently.
Who's got one, or an opinion.....
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: ghulst on June 29, 2021, 08:29:17 AM
If you are looking for agility in town, I’m just wondering whether these are the best option… If going for RE, I might suggest looking for a Himalayan, as the higher seat position will help you as you slice through traffic. In general, I would be looking for something with a lower wet weight, perhaps a shorter wheelbase and a steeper head angle. But that’s just me.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Lee337 on June 29, 2021, 11:03:35 AM
I quite like the look of the RE Continental GT but doubt very much the body would take the riding position anymore. The Interceptor, I'm still not sure about.

The Himalayan would certainly be more comfortable but does look agricultural when compared to the Tiger, especially the flowing curves of the 955i.

While I like Triumphs, I'm not a great fan of the twin offerings.

For me though the I think the RE would take the prize for around town pootling.

Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 29, 2021, 11:45:52 AM
As suggested, the Himmy might well be an option for your purpose, from what I've read and spoken to club guys who've tests ridden them, the lower performance puts them off and the consensus seems to be that the bike could handle more without it getting bent out of shape. I watched a video from TEC parts recently regarding their new cam, very interesting and economical, compared to the big bore kits and established tuning options.

Unless you really want a Retro look, another option might be one of the newer "Asian" made Trailies, there are a couple of larger capacity options that could fit the bill. You might pick up a used bargain, having said that they seem to be holding value better than a couple of years ago, I wonder if people have realised that they're not as bad as the image they initially had.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: ghulst on June 29, 2021, 01:56:36 PM
Agreed on the not-so-lightning-fast performance of the Himalayan. Not sure if you need that in gridlocked London though. ;)

Just to throw in another spanner, but how about a Zero DSR or SR/F? You ought to be able to find a second-hand DSR for a decent price and you won't be doing hundreds of miles within the city, which means that range is less important. At the same time, the cost of riding them is really low, they are nimble and quick and they'll get you through the congestion zone without too much trouble. And as you are keeping your Tiger, I would see that as an option. ;)
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on June 29, 2021, 05:47:05 PM
Thanks for the input guys, appreciated.
Not getting rid of Tiger, so the Himalayan, which looks like a great bike, is just like having another Tiger like bike.
The clue is in the Hipster comment. I actually fancy something different to the Tiger, but not a specialised ride, like my Flathead.
The idea of a twin appeals... I had an SR500 (Road going version of the XT500) many years ago, and I know it was a single, but it was a great city hopper. Slim, and light.
I do like the Interceptor rather than the Continental, as the riding position looks more my style, and I do like the Speedmaster/America style...
Electric is a good option, but I am not into the look of most modern bikes, and I include the zero range, they just don't appeal ,  I'm looking for a retro style, Wax jacket and all that......
Poseur....Moi?????
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 29, 2021, 07:07:51 PM
I have some surplus moustache wax I can pass on to you  :pimp I'll just get my Harris Tweed anorak and leave with what remains of my dignity still intact.

Something Retro is going to have a very exposed engine so electric is going to be tricky, although at Stafford a couple of years back there was a guy selling an electric pack mocked up too look like an American V Twin.

Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Chris Canning on June 29, 2021, 08:12:41 PM
If the bike is what is said for riding around town and local stuff I wouldn’t buy, single cylinder Supermoto every time.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on June 29, 2021, 08:18:43 PM
If the bike is what is said for riding around town and local stuff I wouldn’t buy, single cylinder Supermoto every time.

Nah.....I'll leave that type of bike for you Chris.... Not my (courier) bag, as it were...
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Chris Canning on June 29, 2021, 09:52:35 PM
Forgot you live in another country with a different slant on life  :icon_lol:
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on June 29, 2021, 09:55:49 PM
It's the London look.....
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Nick Calne on June 30, 2021, 08:29:43 AM
Have a look on you tube for a guy / channel called Stuart Fillingham. He owns triumph twins and an RE interceptor.  Very knowledgeable gentleman who frequently compares the bikes.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: ghulst on June 30, 2021, 01:33:29 PM
A friend of mine, had an RE and a Triumph Bonneville and he sold the Triumph... Not to say that that is an example to follow as he was not doing the London look. ;)

However, have you considered a cafe racer? For that London look? ;)
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on June 30, 2021, 05:12:57 PM
Have a look on you tube for a guy / channel called Stuart Fillingham. He owns triumph twins and an RE interceptor.  Very knowledgeable gentleman who frequently compares the bikes.

Hi Nick

Yep, have watched Stuart's YouTube channel, and Missenden Flyer, Wild Moto etc . Stuart is a bit Ranty, and has a bit of a thing against Triumph after sales. He made a big old thing about gearboxes locking up, which was really only the gearchange  problem, similar to the 800 problem that both Ghulst and I have dealt with.

I seems very few people have a bad word to say about RE these days, so its  about what I like best. I really ought to get up to Bikeden in Watford for a try out.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on June 30, 2021, 05:18:08 PM
A friend of mine, had an RE and a Triumph Bonneville and he sold the Triumph... Not to say that that is an example to follow as he was not doing the London look. ;)

However, have you considered a cafe racer? For that London look? ;)

I do live close to the Ace café, if I fancy a race round the North Circular. I quite like the Café racer style, but both my stature and back will probably not fit, be more like the Hippo at London Zoo look......
When you look at some of Documentaries about Mods/Rockers and the general bike culture from the time, it all seems so twee, now......
I was quite good at wiring bikes back in the late 70s, and did a fair few old rocker bikes ( ah..... Zener diodes) and some of those bikes were death traps.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 30, 2021, 08:44:31 PM
Stuart is a bit Ranty, and has a bit of a thing against Triumph after sales.

 :iagree

The 2010+ EFI Thruxton is reasonably comfortable as they went to a top bar rather than the earlier clip on's for the carb versions. About four years ago I did a round trip to Cambridge area in a day on mine and didn't require surgery  :mut  but I'd not recommend it for longer periods negotiating heavy traffic, I was more knackered after spending a Fri afternoon in KL.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Bixxer Bob on July 02, 2021, 07:41:36 AM
I've ridden the Interceptor, its a cracking bike for the money. Since you're London anyway, have a look TTT Motorcycles at Cambridge Heath.  I know the owner, Andy, and I've worked for him a few times at his Sudbury branch where my mate Ben is the manager.  In fact, if you fancy a ride out, the Sudbury place is worth a look anyway. 

If you decide to have a run out, let me know and I'll meet you there.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on July 02, 2021, 10:07:41 AM
I've ridden the Interceptor, its a cracking bike for the money. Since you're London anyway, have a look TTT Motorcycles at Cambridge Heath.  I know the owner, Andy, and I've worked for him a few times at his Sudbury branch where my mate Ben is the manager.  In fact, if you fancy a ride out, the Sudbury place is worth a look anyway. 

If you decide to have a run out, let me know and I'll meet you there.

I went past TTT  in E2 on my Fiery round trip, but by the time I got there, I was v hot and bothered, and wasn't sure where to park, so other than a slow ride by, I never went in...
The Sudbury one looks like a good ride out though..
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: ssevy on July 03, 2021, 12:17:51 AM
Kawasaki W800?


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Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Nick Calne on July 03, 2021, 09:14:57 AM
W800 now there's a good shout.  Here is the finest review of the w800, and indeed any motorcycle, ever.

http://youtu.be/RSE73I4LXe4 (http://youtu.be/RSE73I4LXe4)
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Lee337 on July 03, 2021, 11:43:40 AM
Not that I'm looking to change bikes any time soon, but I enjoyed that review.  :><

Edit: Just watched a few more of his reviews - I doubt you could get away with them in 'Woke Britain' but I found them highly entertaining.

Easy to please me, obviously.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Chris Canning on July 03, 2021, 05:03:16 PM
Been to Stafford Classic bike show today, there was a display of the latest Royal Enfield’s blimey certainly not for me that is for sure.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on July 03, 2021, 05:33:38 PM
Been to Stafford Classic bike show today, there was a display of the latest Royal Enfield’s blimey certainly not for me that is for sure.

Any specific reason why Chris?
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Nick Calne on July 03, 2021, 05:58:22 PM

Edit: Just watched a few more of his reviews - I doubt you could get away with them in 'Woke Britain' but I found them highly entertaining.


They are really good, especially the peak hipster ones.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on July 03, 2021, 06:24:19 PM
Enfield still in the lead.... Just saw someone's bill for Tiger service on FB, ...RE has adjustable tappets......
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Chris Canning on July 03, 2021, 08:51:13 PM
Any specific reason why Chris?

Just looked bloody old fashioned, in fact didn’t look out of place with all the 50 year old bikes that were there, if someone is after that look with hopefully modern day reliability, then fair enough I guess but I found them incredibly under whelming.
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Geoff W on July 13, 2021, 01:16:13 PM
How about a CCM Spitfire? Or is it too modern looking?
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 13, 2021, 07:20:39 PM
How about a CCM Spitfire? Or is it too modern looking?

That's one we missed Geoff  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: London_Phil on July 13, 2021, 08:27:13 PM
How about a CCM Spitfire? Or is it too modern looking?

Misses the whole Retro vibe I'm looking for tbh, but quite a beast...
Title: Re: Royal Enfield 650 Twin or Triumph Twin
Post by: Nick Calne on July 14, 2021, 08:28:37 PM
I'd love one for bombing to work.
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