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Title: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: ds99 on October 01, 2015, 06:27:37 PM
This is what happened when I torqued my 2005 Tiger 955i sump drain plug to the recommended 25NM

I would use a lower torque setting if I were you...

Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: motoOzarks on October 01, 2015, 08:46:24 PM
Dear Hercules,

If you can't find a replacement

That can be welded in and then drilled and tapped

Have you calibrated your wrench? 

Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: JoeDirt on October 02, 2015, 12:02:51 AM
Quote from: ds99 on October 01, 2015, 06:27:37 PM
This is what happened when I torqued my 2005 Tiger 955i sump drain plug to the recommended 25NM

I would use a lower torque setting if I were you...

Wow! good to know... I am sorry that happened.

There is one for £13.20 + £24.81 postage from California. :bad

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-06-TRIUMPH-TIGER-955I-955-ENGINE-OIL-PAN-/331596017354? (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2006-06-TRIUMPH-TIGER-955I-955-ENGINE-OIL-PAN-/331596017354?)

Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: ds99 on October 02, 2015, 08:33:59 AM
that oil pan is the wrong model for a 2005 tiger 955i

see here

http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,14846.0.html

Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: Chris Canning on October 02, 2015, 10:26:11 AM
Torque wrenches are what you use for building engines and putting wheels on single sided swing arm beemers and apart from that never use one.
Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: JoeDirt on October 02, 2015, 05:08:30 PM
Quote from: ds99 on October 02, 2015, 08:33:59 AM
that oil pan is the wrong model for a 2005 tiger 955i

see here

http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,14846.0.html

I thought it looked funny... I guess you would know. Now... very unfortunate. :qgaraduate
Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: Dyn Blin on October 02, 2015, 06:26:23 PM
Sorry to see that.  It brings back some bad memories.  If misery loves company- it took me twice to learn that lesson, the first time with the valve cover bolts on and 80's Suzuki, and the second on a oil drain bolt on Ducati.  Both times with a calibrated torque wrench to manual specs.

Since then, when I'm wrenching on engine bolts for car or bike & jobs where I don't want to trust my experience/intuition for "wrist judgement", I may use a torque wrench to tighten to a few pounds/newtons *under* spec, then finish with a quick hand torque.  That technique has kept me out of trouble and also been enough to keep bolts where they should stay.

Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: Sin_Tiger on October 02, 2015, 10:19:46 PM
I wouldn't chuck it too far away, you might need to do a cylinder head or big ends some day.
Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: John Stenhouse on October 03, 2015, 05:21:07 PM
Oiled bolts need the torque reduced, alloy heads on 2cvs strip real easy so much so we try not to do plug changes on warm engines. As a rule of thumb we reduce the torque by 50% then see how it feels by hand.
Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: John Stenhouse on October 03, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
A friend just pointed out that if the sump plug was threaded square it should just strip the thread, a crack like you've got would be the result of a tapered plug. Anyone know if that's what Triumph fit?
Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: Bixxer Bob on October 05, 2015, 10:54:05 AM
Quote from: John Stenhouse on October 03, 2015, 05:21:07 PM
Oiled bolts need the torque reduced....

Learned that the hard way on an air defence radar.  One of my well-meaning techie  torqued up the rotating head (5m x 4m, 12 tons) to pedestal bolts after fitting them with coppergrease instead of dry.  Next thing we know the head is wobbling like its about to fall off.  At least half of the bolts had sheared.
Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: Sin_Tiger on October 05, 2015, 11:56:07 AM
Quote from: John Stenhouse on October 03, 2015, 08:57:22 PM
A friend just pointed out that if the sump plug was threaded square it should just strip the thread, a crack like you've got would be the result of a tapered plug

I'd go along with that, without actually seeing the unit. I suspect that there is a different root cause of the crack. Perhaps it has been jacked up at some time without the load being adequately distributed. I can't remember ever seeing a tapered thread plug in an alloy casing, though I wouldn't be surprised.
Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: rex007can on October 13, 2015, 08:03:54 PM
I have never heard of engine failure cause by a manually tightened oil sump plug falling out.
Title: Re: Oil sump drain torque setting - a warning!
Post by: Bixxer Bob on October 14, 2015, 12:15:52 AM
I had the sump plug on my car fall out and dump the oil all over the road one time when I was a young lad.  Warning light came on before any damage was done and I still think, all these years on, that it was mischief by someone I worked with because I've never had it happen before or since.
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