You're working around gasoline here, so extinguish open-flame heaters, pilot lights, etc. Don't smoke, and keep smokers out of the work area until your done, lest they breeze in and absentmindedly light up. Just a single gasoline vapor explosion will ruin your whole day.
First, remove your tank, explained in depth here: http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/msg,32396 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/msg,32396)
Then, with the tank sitting on a large secure workbench etc., remove the bolts holding the large metal panel. 8mm wrench size...
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And then gently pull down and away to remove the fuel pump / filter / regulator assembly...
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Remove the clamp from the fuel pump-to-filter metal line (5mm hex)...
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Shuffle the hose clamps around to remove the metal line from the rubber ones. Note that the short metal line does not have a symmetrical shape, and that it must be re-assembled the right way, with the line running parallel to the hard clamp's base...
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Then shuffle the hose clamp down to free the fuel filter...
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The old and new filters. Which is which?
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Available locally, and eleven bucks cheaper.
This is a great opportunity to remove any dirt and sediment from the small screen covering the fuel pick-up (the light-brown square in the fourth photo), and in the bottom-most reaches of the fuel tank.
Re-assembly is the same, except... like... backward.
Yo Stretch,
:roll: didn't even know it had one :oops:
How often should they be changed???
:wink:
Every 24,000 miles, according to my manual.
Did you save the seal? I just pulled mine and some little rings of rubber from the back of the seal stuck to the thread of the tank.
I'm assuming it's toast... which stinks because it's $18 and change.
Mine was okay, so I was able to reuse it.
If it's questionable, go ahead and replace it. $18 is cheap insurance against a fuel leak that could ignite (easily) and toast yo' Tiger, causing weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Thanks! I have a BMW fuel filter sitting on the shelf waiting on this very operation -- now I've got a guide. 33,000 miles on my 2004 and no problems, but I felt I should go ahead and change out the filter.
Any inline filter with 5/16-inch barb connectors will work just fine. An auto parts store probably has one for less than ten bucks. I just picked up that one because I was at my favorite local shop (NPR Ducati / Boxerworks) picking up as much stuff as I could.
The Purolator F20011 fuel filter is a direct replacement and can be found at almost auto parts store for a good price too.
Is it a metal filter? Parts America has them but the website shows them as a plastic filter. I was worried about this being submerged in the tank, not knowing what applications it was intended for...
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Purolator F20011
http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDeta ... ber=F20011 (http://www.partsamerica.com/ProductDetail.aspx?MfrCode=PUR&MfrPartNumber=F20011)
Filled with gasoline... submerged in gasoline. I'm no engineer, but I fail to see how that makes a difference to the canister material.
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
LOL makes sense...
I've never felt dumber than I have the last few days on this forum! :oops:
Nonsense. You've got the cojones to tear your bike into a hundred pieces and do your own service. Not exactly an undaunting task the first time.
Quote from: "Stretch"Nonsense. You've got the cojones to tear your bike into a hundred pieces and do your own service. Not exactly an undaunting task the first time.
Especially one you just bought ! :shock:
But there is no better way to get to know the beast ........
and remember the cost of this service from the dealer is crazy expensive , and more than likely they would not be as thourough and say they were :twisted:
Quote from: "Stretch"Filled with gasoline... submerged in gasoline. I'm no engineer, but I fail to see how that makes a difference to the canister material.
Anyone? Anyone?
Bueller?
I have a question: Will the plastic one withstand the fuel pressure? :shock:
Good question. The fuel system is regulated to 3 bar (about 44 psi) according to the manual, but the Fuel Pressure Regulator is downstream of the filter, so the filter is on the unregulated side of the system.
But...
If the fuel pressure were indeed high enough to rupture a plastic fuel filter, the lines wouldn't be rubber, and they wouldn't have those weak little spring clamps.
Fuel pressure high enough to burst a plastic filter would be blowing the rubber lines off their connections.
I would be leary of a plastic filter that is under pressure and being submerged the fuel can eat at it from both sides . I've had ethanol blended fuel actually melt the little nylon / plastic fuel filters you can put inline on carbed bikes , add 44psi and who knows !
Okay, but the plastic used in modern automotive filters must be formulated to withstand ethanol, since it's nearly impossible now to find gas without it.
It will probably be fine , but when the metal ones are readily available why take the chance ?
True dat. I've never regretted overbuilding anything.
Cheers again for posting up Stretch. Sneaky having the thing in the tank, two expensive genuine gaskets to complete one simple job if you do it the Triumph way.....
It's a metal filter..... I've been using them for years.
Quote from: "Advwannabe"two expensive genuine gaskets to complete one simple job if you do it the Triumph way.....
Yeah, but a 24,000 mile interval doesn't come too often.
the filter popped off the rubber pipe on my Sprint ST, the bike just stopped dead.
I knew I had juice, pushing a stick into the connector and juice flowed, pump worled on start up, checked cut out switches as best I could at the side of the road, ripped the tank off, checked sparks all OK.
trailered the bike back home and called my dealer for any advice.
all i said was " it just stopped de..." and he sail "fuel filter has colapsed" so it may not be such a rare thing
Better clamps may be in order then. Thanks for the tip.
This will be my first & second fuel filter change as I plan on doing it to my brother's Tiger at the same time.
My question is whether the tank has to be empty? I ask this because a reply in this thread said that the outside of the filter is bathed in gas. If not empty and you remove the access plate, wouldn't gas be coming out?
Cheers,
Stephen
Yes, siphon as much fuel out of the tank as possible. It will also be much easier to remove the tank from the bike without the extra tonnage.
Once the tank is off the bike, lay the tank on its right side (access plate up), and remove the plate. Once the plate is off, you can hold the tank over a bucket etc and empty out the remaining fuel.
Thanks Stretch.
A drama-free operation. It took about 20 minutes, though the tank was already off.
The Purolator F20011 cost $3.99 + tax at Advance Auto Parts, though the guy had to look for it in back.
I was pleasantly surprised to find the tank interior clean, the mesh filter looking about as good as I suppose it ever did, and all gaskets & hoses still intact and usable. For a bike nearing 40k that got a lot of its fillups in dusty New Mexico, I'm happy. All should be well assuming the filter works.
Just a heads up, the Advance Auto Parts I went to today said the Purolator F20011 is now in a plastic, not metal housing. They confirmed that it was metal in the past, but had recently changed. I had them dig around to see if any metal ones were left over, but no luck. Your mileage may vary, but if you find a store that has some, might want to stock up.
Yeah the one folks have been installing is plastic. I was a little nervous about that so I went with the BMW filter.
Do not install a plastic filter. Nearly 50 psi going into a filter designed for 5psi is not a good thing. There are some plastic filters ok with the pressure, but I do not think that one is.
The BMW filter is around $20 if I recall correctly. Is saving $15 every 25k miles that big of a deal to skimp on the filter? And I am not one who always uses "motorcycle" stuff either. Never used MC oils, always run Shell or Mobil 1, I use the Wal-mart oil filters, etc. But that fuel filter is a bitch to change on the side of the road after it blows.
The rubber lines used inside the tank are rated for fuel injection pressures. I would also replace them at the same time as the filter. Make sure you get FI hose. Only need a couple of feet and you will have plenty left over.
Anyone who has used non-Triumph (or BMW) fuel filters ever notice how much less resistance there is when you blow through the non-OEM ones? I picked up a metal one at NAPA, #3032, comparable size and all. Happened to blow through it and thought, hmmm, wonder how easy it is to blow through the stocker I just took off the Triumph? WAY harder to force any air through. Even thought maybe it was clogged, so I cut it in half - no clogging at all, actually looked dang good.
So anyway, now I'm a bit reluctant to put the NAPA version in - is the OEM one designed that tight for a reason? And before you say it, money isn't the issue, it's availability. Having to order every thing down to a $7 cam cover bolt (don't ask)(plus $5 shipping :? ) and wait a week or more for delivery has gotten old.
Wasn't aware of the NAPA one. The BMW one is the EXACT same filter with different branding.
It's the equivalent of the Purolator discussed above, standard auto filter but in metal housing. My nearest BMW dealer is also my closest Triumph dealer, so that route doesn't help much. I don't really mind ordering one and waiting a few days, but I'm just curious if anyone really thinks there's a noticeable benefit to running the Triumph or BMW over a decent quality, metal housing car filter? :?:
If the inlet and outlet pipes are the same diameter and in the same configuration, and the canister is about the same size (for similar element size and contaminant storage), there's no reason why it wouldn't work, as long as it's not too restrictive.
I went with the BMW filter simply because I couldn't find a similarly-sized metal filter at the neighborhood auto parts stores. If you've found one, roll with it.
Just out of interest, had the Triumph one you blew through been used? The only thing I can think of was that the fuel soaked into the filter paper made it hard to blow though compared to an un-used one.
John, yes, it was the original filter with 13k miles. I suspected it was clogged too, but there was nothing obvious when I cut it open. I hadn't thought about soaked paper making a difference, maybe that's it. Too bad I don't have a new Triumph filter so I could blow them both, apples to apples. (all this talk about blowing is making me a bit self-conscious! :pimp )
Stretch, thanks for your input as well. I'm going to go with it and quit fretting. Hopefully, I can find the time in the next couple of days to balance the throttle bodies, then button everything back up and see if the new TSP solved my problem.
So many years after this thread was started, all of the Purolator filters are plastic.
As I have just crashed my Tiger and I'm installing a new tank a filter is needed. Does anyone have experience with the plastic version?
I used a Wix brand filter #33012 I think. It was metal and cheap.
I've used plastic for years without prob.
Quote from: "pineygroveshop"I've used plastic for years without prob.
I had a Mahle petrol filter on the shelf that I bought and failed to fit to a BMW R100 I owned some years ago. Strangely similar to the one that came out of my Tiger's tank...
If you check the cross reference it's in there,rather amusingly when buying a new fuel filter at my local BM shop,they assume it's for my 1100s,when I tell e'm it's for the Tiger,lad behind the counter scribbles it down,got a Tiger I ask!! yea he says :D