I see your now putting your location south west Holland so here's my story...
More years ago than I want to remember..even before I was even married had been down in Spain with 3 mates on bikes, on the way home we are on a camp site near Bordeaux a Dutch couple roll up on an old R65 BM and the 4 of us are talking(between ourselves) about we wouldn't have gone shopping on it never mind where they were.... completely oblivious in those days to how well Dutch folk speak and understand English... :icon_redface: and we end up chatting , and too this day he still reminds me about how we laughing at the bike...
Fast forward all these years we still great friends, he's lived in Utrecht,Dordrecht,Breda and for the last 12 years in Middleburg with his girlfriend/partner so both myself and my wife have seen a lot more of Holland than many and hopefully when Covid is over will be back visiting really good friends
LOL, Middelburg, that is about 15 minutes away from me. So, that's closer than you thought. Brilliant story. It is always surprising to people how many languages the Dutch speak. However, it sometimes goes both ways. I was on the tube a couple of years ago with some friends from London. There were three Dutch women there that were being negative about something typically British. Can't remember what. So, halfway through their moaning, I turned around and said a couple of words to them in Dutch. Let's say that I have never seen such well-dressed tomatoes. ;)
Btw. those R65's are pretty bullet proof as well. ;)
What I didn't say after our shock of him understanding our...errrrm criticisms of his bike we all went off too the camp site shop, he's talking to his girl friend Dutch, the girl behind the counter in French, us lot in English, and another in German who couldn't converse with the woman behind the counter..
Too this day he always tell me their are trilingual/bilingual and Englishmen :icon_lol:
Oh and over years he has had a likening for Laverda's which really is another story.
Quote from: Chris Canning on January 21, 2021, 11:30:15 AM
Too this day he always tell me their are trilingual/bilingual and Englishmen :icon_lol:
And don't even start on Americans... :icon_razz:
Just kidding. That is what some of my American friends always say. I speak four languages as well. Just because it's just convenient.
Oh, and Laverda's are a different story, but they can be awesome bikes. ;)
That's something that always annoyed me when I lived out East.
You'd get the Expat Brit who would sneer at local spoken "English". Only occasionally did it upset me enough to point out that the person he was referring to probably being Hokkien would not only speak the family dialect, Mandarin (2,000 basic characters, Brits only need to remember 26) Malay and enough English to know that you're a prat :*&*
Pointing out that the local lingua franca is known as Singlish would have been a waste of time as the irony would have been completely lost on them :icon_rolleyes:
Oh, yes, I have been there and I have heard that. At some point, I was at a lovely little harbour in the south of France where I was getting some lunch. I walked up to this great bakery in a very touristic area of the town. I ordered lunch for four and was waiting for my order when a 'typical brit' walked up to the counter. Not using actual words, he pointed at items making an "Uh!" sound after which he held a number of fingers in the air for the number of items he wanted. Afterwards, I overheard him complaining to his travel companions that "none of these bloody Frenchies speak a decent language". I will not repeat what the people in the bakery thought of him or his communication skills. ;)
Quote from: ghulst on January 21, 2021, 01:26:29 PM
Oh, yes, I have been there and I have heard that. At some point, I was at a lovely little harbour in the south of France where I was getting some lunch. I walked up to this great bakery in a very touristic area of the town. I ordered lunch for four and was waiting for my order when a 'typical brit' walked up to the counter. Not using actual words, he pointed at items making an "Uh!" sound after which he held a number of fingers in the air for the number of items he wanted. Afterwards, I overheard him complaining to his travel companions that "none of these bloody Frenchies speak a decent language". I will not repeat what the people in the bakery thought of him or his communication skills. ;)
The irony seems to be lost on them :icon_lol:
I was on a visit to Monte St Michael once and massively embarrassed by a friend being arrogant and abusive to a waitress because she didn't speak Jock. Again, ironic because he's married to a German girl. We are no longer friends.
Fast forward to a trip to the Sachenring in 2019 for MotoGP with two friends and arrival at the hotel. Friend number one who does all the arrangements and speaks good French (but no German) walked up to the desk and asked, quite bluntly, "Do you speak English"? Now I know from when I lived in Germany that once you get away from the coast and the tourist areas, not many Germans do, so I was unsurprised to hear the lady on the desk (who was clearly harassed by EMails, staff and telephone interruptions on what was a hot and humid afternoon) reply equally bluntly, "No. Do you speak German"? You should know that friend number one suffers from short man syndrome (fighty) and has the shortest fuse of anyone I know so, on seeing him inhale deeply and knowing what was coming, I stepped in and said to the lady in my mediocre German that I spoke a little and could I help? She turned to me with a bright "Alles Clare" and proceeded to ignore No1 from that point on. I was pretty chuffed with myself at the time.
I was surprised too when we first stopped In Weeze because I'd been worried about the language as I hadn't used my German for 30 years, but found as soon as I heard it spoken it all came back and I was able to understand enough to get by. The other two sat in awe the following day on the bus to the circuit as I chatted away in German to another biker from the hotel. I was a bit smug!
And for good reason. ;) Over the years, and through doing quite a bit of traveling, I have learned that if you make an effort to speak a language, people will actually reward you for it. Oftentimes, I would find that people would help me find a word in their language if I couldn't get to it, and in some cases, it turned out they actually did speak other languages. They just were not confident enough in them to do it in public. ;)
Only once skiiing in Austria with some Austrian friends did a waitress say to me "please ask your friends to order drinks, your German is hurting my ears" :icon_redface: it was said in good humour and we both had a laugh.
I can have a bit of a short fuse when it comes muppet car drivers and calm myself by swearing at them in Hokkien. I once had an irate signal less driver with (elbow out the window) pull up next to me when I stopped to turn right at lights. "What did you just F'n call me?", I smiled and said "Ka ni na bu chao chee bai" the blank look on his face was priceless and the timing of a green light for my turn perfect :wheel
Hilarious! Not that I know what it means, and I recon it better stays untranslated. But it is a good way of doing that.
As long as the other driver does not speak it. ;)
A Canadian friend of mine, once told me that Finnish people are more or less used to people not understanding their language when they go anywhere but Finland. So, these two men were speaking some pretty nasty language around an airport (I am not going to go into the what and where), but he then told them that that kind of language was wholly unnecessary. In fluent Finnish, as he had lived there for years. Needless to say, they were a lot quieter through the rest of their trip.
On that stop in Weeze, and with gathering confidence, I ordered three coffees and cakes from the Menu. The waitress looked at me blankly. I tried again, another shrug. The manager came over, I tried again, he spoke to her and off she went. Turns out she was Italian :rfl she spoke German, just not my sort of German :icon_lol:
I found the same when you try. Generally they are keen to try their English so it works for everyone.
Most hotel receptionists speak good English these days because all the Scandinavian countries learn it plus the Dutch.
I don't think that has reached as far as Saxony :*&*
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The Dutch and languages...
Many moons ago I was a London-based truck driver doing regular runs to Munich. One time, I was picking up a load home from Holland, parked in the Dutch company's yard, my lorry parked between two others: one French registered, one German, with me taking a walk around the yard -- stretching my legs.
So...this Dutch guy comes out of the company's offices and walks over to the row of parked trucks.
We meet. He smiles and says, "Parlez vois Francais?" To which - - bearing in mind I'd been in Germany all week -- I replied, "Nien." So, without missing a beat, he smiles again and says, " Ah, sprechen ze Deutsch? "
Oh dear. I then had to sheepishly answer, "Err...no. English."
I suppose the chief export of the English is English itself. Oddly this means that there is often little point mastering another language as normally as it is limited to a small group of people. Learn German, French, Dutch, Spanish etc - useful if you are there, but how often will you otherwise need it?
I think we miss out on a lot of culture as a result.
Quote from: Nick Calne on February 20, 2021, 05:37:10 PM
I suppose the chief export of the English is English itself. Oddly this means that there is often little point mastering another language as normally as it is limited to a small group of people. Learn German, French, Dutch, Spanish etc - useful if you are there, but how often will you otherwise need it?
I think we miss out on a lot of culture as a result.
Did you see that some French idiot has proposed that the EU adopt French as its official language now that the Brits have Brexited? https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1399439/france-news-French-language-eu-English-Brexit-Eric-zemmour-clement-beaune
Completely fails to understand that English is now a major if not THE major World language. And, the fact that the Spanish have a much better claim because Spanish is infinitely more widely spoke around the World than French is. What a cock.
Well what do you expect eh? Rather than use a language nearly everyone in Europe speaks and that would connect Europe to North America, Australia, South Africa, Indian etc they suggest French... I bet the Germans love that too.
I use my Dutch a lot. ;) My English easily comes second, then my German third and French last. ;)
Quote from: ghulst on February 20, 2021, 09:03:57 PM
I use my Dutch a lot. ;) My English easily comes second, then my German third and French last. ;)
I remember my first visit to the Dutch TT at Assen back in the early 80s and going to get some Chips (with Mayonnaise). I was amazed by so many Dutch people that spoke English. So I asked "how come?" The reply was that they realised a long time ago that their language was so difficult to speak for a non native that they decided to adopt English as a second language. Nice one. :thumbsup
Apparently Dutch is the easiest language to learn is you are a native English speaker. Less than 40 weeks work to mastery.
Too many years ago I was operating a well stimulation vessel which was at the time based in Vlaardingen Oost. We had an arrangement with the local Video store to rent tapes even though technically we didn't have an address in the Netherlands.
One winter weekend I went to swap out our tapes. I spotted a recent WWII blockbuster which had a long list of top actors, I thought would be perfect for a long winter evening and stuffed a couple of other VHS cassettes (like I said long ago) in the shopping bag.
After dinner we settled down with a few bottles of Grolsh and started watching. The story was based on a well known event post the D-Day landings with the allied troops advancing through the Netherlands. We were used to having Dutch sub titles but hadn't counted on the audio being dubbed completely in Dutch with no subtitles but bizarrely for us the only time English subtitles appeared was when the story characters were Dutch nationals :icon_scratch:
If you haven't already guessed the title of the movie, which I have never forgotten in Dutch, was "Een Brug Te Ver" better known as "A Bridge Too Far" :*&*
Quote from: Nick Calne on February 20, 2021, 11:34:42 PM
Apparently Dutch is the easiest language to learn is you are a native English speaker. Less than 40 weeks work to mastery.
You might well be able to learn it mentally but you try getting your tongue to pronounce it.
I'm not going to try! It's 'een brug te ver' for me...
Quote from: Nick Calne on February 21, 2021, 11:38:01 AM
I'm not going to try! It's 'een brug te ver' for me...
:ImaPoser
Perhaps we have a slight advantage in Scotland.
I've found I'm watching more Scandinavian crime dramas recently.
Not because I'm getting in touch with my inner Ikea but because there's subtitles, my hearing (or brain) is now at the stage where I know what's being said but don't ask me to tell you the words they used :icon_scratch:
But if a spanner falls off the bench and hits the deck at the other end of the garage, I can tell you without looking it's a Britool 1/4" Whitworth, just weird :m
My wife watches so many Scandinavian police shows that the dog and cat can probably speak Danish and Swedish.
Quote from: Nick Calne on February 21, 2021, 07:57:20 PM
My wife watches so many Scandinavian police shows that the dog and cat can probably speak Danish and Swedish.
I recently watched a Danish crime thing about a woman getting murdered on a submarine. At the end I thought; what was the point of the sub titles? Because it was a VERY obvious "who done it".
Quote from: Nick Calne on February 20, 2021, 11:34:42 PM
Apparently Dutch is the easiest language to learn is you are a native English speaker. Less than 40 weeks work to mastery.
LOL, reading probably... Speaking, I'd dare you. ;) Oh, and the last time I saw something like that, Dutch was in the top 20 of languages to learn for English speakers.
Quote from: blacktiger on February 22, 2021, 10:08:16 AM
I recently watched a Danish crime thing about a woman getting murdered on a submarine. At the end I thought; what was the point of the sub titles? Because it was a VERY obvious "who done it".
Honestly, you were watching that crime show and you could not figure out why they needed
SUB titles? :bug_eye :rfl
Quote from: ghulst on February 22, 2021, 07:56:14 PM
Honestly, you were watching that crime show and you could not figure out why they needed SUB titles? :bug_eye :rfl
:*&* :thumbsup should be in the daily smile thread.
Quote from: ghulst on February 22, 2021, 07:56:14 PM
Honestly, you were watching that crime show and you could not figure out why they needed SUB titles? :bug_eye :rfl
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z9t_KDGqOmE
Have you ever watched one of those scandi murder dramas where the plot wasn't painfully obvious... having a submarine is probably the most exciting variation I have heard of. (You gotta watch these submariners they are a dangerous lot and we have one amongst us!)
Here are the usual ingredients:
Woman detective - history of childhood abuse, possibly autistic, sexually promiscuous, head-strong, possibly shagging her boss. Has a woolly jumper.
Woman victim(s) - vulnerable, stupid, easily manipulated, has a child to care for, but no husband. Gulible AF. Might be a sex worker.
Murderer - handsome, in a position of power, probably a psychopath or a nazi, may have had a relationship with all the women previously.
Friend zone man / side detective - In love with the detective but will never get any.
Now just change where, when and how. I reckon we could knock up a show..... maybe start with a young Danish woman is found naked holding only a copy of Babbel's learn Dutch in a year having been beaten to death with Britool 1/4" whitworth.
Well, you've got to admire the creativity. ;)
Losing weight doesn't seem to be working for me, so from now I'm going to concentrate on getting taller.
Quote from: Nick Calne on February 23, 2021, 03:01:27 PM
Have you ever watched one of those scandi murder dramas where the plot wasn't painfully obvious... having a submarine is probably the most exciting variation I have heard of. (You gotta watch these submariners they are a dangerous lot and we have one amongst us!)
Here are the usual ingredients:
Woman detective - history of childhood abuse, possibly autistic, sexually promiscuous, head-strong, possibly shagging her boss. Has a woolly jumper.
Woman victim(s) - vulnerable, stupid, easily manipulated, has a child to care for, but no husband. Gulible AF. Might be a sex worker.
Murderer - handsome, in a position of power, probably a psychopath or a nazi, may have had a relationship with all the women previously.
Friend zone man / side detective - In love with the detective but will never get any.
Now just change where, when and how. I reckon we could knock up a show..... maybe start with a young Danish woman is found naked holding only a copy of Babbel's learn Dutch in a year having been beaten to death with Britool 1/4" whitworth.
:*&* I'm off for an Akavit and some cheese.
Quote from: Nick Calne on February 23, 2021, 03:01:27 PM
(You gotta watch these submariners they are a dangerous lot and we have one amongst us!)
:ear :augie :bad