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Title: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on December 07, 2021, 02:16:26 PM

(https://i.ibb.co/7V5xYX0/background-new-tiger-1200-range.jpg)

I just came across the YouTube video for the new Tiger 1200:




https://youtu.be/Sp2SZ1u1dxM (https://youtu.be/Sp2SZ1u1dxM)


It looks like a great bike. With 150hp and at 249kg the Rally Pro is pretty close to the BMW 1250GS and KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. I like all the options it comes with and in that respect it is much more of a complete package than a GS, where you pay extra for everything. The KTM is closer, but more of a hooligan bike, in my big-smile opinion. I would really love to see how the new 1200 compares to that. I do not understand why they did add radar-controlled blind spot detection at the rear but have not made the jump to adaptive cruise control. That would complete the tech setup, in my opinion. Really looking forward to trying this bike at some point in time.


Is anyone considering ordering one?


Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Sin_Tiger on December 07, 2021, 03:05:53 PM
 :bug_eye sounds like the "Evolution" book just went out the window.

The 18" rear is a bit of a surprise.

The blindspot radar is very innovative for a bike but not a surprise having been available on some cars for a while. Like all technology / gadgets, I worry about getting lazy and dependent on it but that's just something else to guard against as riders.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on December 07, 2021, 03:40:43 PM
I did edit my first post a bit, while you were writing this. :)
The blind spot is going to be standard on big bikes soon. KTM and Ducati have it, as well as the adaptive cruise control. And I am guessing they are looking at KTM quite a bit. It seems as if Triumph is going after the KTM part of the market more than the Beemer side. Also because of the plans to build dirt bikes. A 21" front and an 18" rear wheel really fits well in that strategy as that makes the bike much better for unpaved situations. Much like KTM has chosen to do in connection to their dirt bike background.
The other thing I am surprised about, is that they have not chosen to go with a more innovative fuel tank design to get the weight even lower.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on December 07, 2021, 03:54:15 PM
I mean, honestly, that thing just looks great!

(https://i.ibb.co/fDQbLZC/Tiger-1200-Rally-Pro-MY22-N4-I9503-ML.jpg)
This just makes you want to get out there and ride.

(https://i.ibb.co/68tZTMS/Tiger-1200-Rally-Pro-MY22-G0-I5796-ML.jpg)
Honestly, this would be a bucket list shot for me.

(https://i.ibb.co/m5Hggdh/Tiger-1200-GT-Pro-MY22-N4-I6171-ML.jpg)
Yes, I do like the look of that.

Will it beat my GS-enthusiasm or take away how KTM is tempting me? I am not sure, but I do like the look of this. However, I am wondering how the prices work out at £14,600 for the GT and £17,700 for the Rally Pro or £19,100 for the Rally Explorer...

If I look at the Netherlands, the Rally Pro Explorer is €5000 more expensive than a KTM 1290 Adventure S and €3000 more expensive than a base BMW 1250 GS Adventure.  :bug_eye
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Sin_Tiger on December 08, 2021, 12:30:54 AM
Yeah, not sure about the price either but I suspect we're not really the target demographic  ;)

I do like the looks too and the 30 litre tank was a long time coming. The seat height is way lower than I thought they'd manage, again market studies must indicate that's high (no pun) on some owners check list.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on December 08, 2021, 06:14:37 AM
Well, as you remember, not long ago I was comparing big adventure bikes to find a new steed. The 900 Rally Pro was in there because it is a bargain in its market segment. But It didn't make it, because other bikes did things just a bit better in my opinion. So, I am closer to their target market than they would think. And it is going to be really hard even if you are at the same price point as the GS... Though they still are cheaper than the Ducati Multistrada V4S, but I doubt that was their main competitor.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Chris Canning on December 08, 2021, 07:45:22 AM
 Had a look at it at the NEC bike show on Monday, clearly chasing the GS market....put a 17" Dymag in my 955 years ago and bought a new X/R in 16 which I still have so that market isn't me 😜
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Nick Calne on December 08, 2021, 02:53:18 PM
I reckon it looks bloody great and agree with Ghulst the prices are a bit  :icon_eek:  It will sell by the truck load no doubt though.  Looks like a younger persons bike than a BMW.

Chris are you sure?  Times move on, and so do popular wheel sizes... 150bhp and 249kg sounds like a good mixture!
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on December 08, 2021, 04:58:24 PM
Perhaps it does look better for a younger person, but at the same time the Beemer is a proven recipe with great residual value. Granted, if you put all the options on your GS Adventure, you will end up around 28K and that will include some options that come on the Rally Explorer as standard, but there will probably be options on the Tiger list as well. I would be really interested to ride one and to see how it stacks up...
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Chris Canning on December 08, 2021, 05:42:11 PM
Quote from: Nick Calne on December 08, 2021, 02:53:18 PM


Chris are you sure?  Times move on, and so do popular wheel sizes... 150bhp and 249kg sounds like a good mixture!

You clearly are not aware how many BM X/R's have been sold...and Ducati's Pikes Peak is nothing short of a wonder....will Triumph produce a Tiger with 17" wheels??? Bet your house on it....hopefully they will not do to good a job of it i'm Running out of space.



Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on December 08, 2021, 09:09:57 PM
Quote from: Chris Canning on December 08, 2021, 05:42:11 PM
will Triumph produce a Tiger with 17" wheels??? Bet your house on it....
I am not going to bet anything on it... But I do think that, if they are going to build one, it might be a different beast altogether to replace the 1050. Just like BMW did not create another GS with 17" wheels, but they did create an XR.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Chris Canning on December 08, 2021, 09:35:22 PM
Anyone else noticed the change in Triumph...since they've been supplying the Moto 2 engines...really has been a game changer....i'm Glad to say😀
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Sin_Tiger on December 09, 2021, 08:50:05 PM
I hope the quality of finish has improved to match the asking price, my experience with the Trophy has soured me rather.

I'm sure you're right Chris. They do have a wide spread now, I sense a change in management / marketing strategy as well, I hope they haven't spread things too thin.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on December 10, 2021, 08:20:27 AM
I found that the build quality on the 800XC was already a lot better than my Steamer. The 2021 GT Pro I rode was better than that, so I am expecting this to be pretty good...
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Nick Calne on December 10, 2021, 11:04:34 PM
I think Triumph a few years back, were at a stale moment.

I don't know what triggered the resurgence, probably the retro line up sales, but they have made some cracking bikes in the last year or two.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Chris Canning on December 11, 2021, 05:02:20 PM
For those that errrr shall we say lead a sheltered life in motorcycling no doubt do wonder, but the same applies to manufacturers as much as individuals....what you know will take you so far...who know will take one a lot further, the Moto GP paddock will have been a revelation to Triumph....as one can see by their current crop of bikes and no doubt many to come.

And yes through one of those quirks in life I have seen the inner workings of the GP paddock 😳😳😳
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on December 11, 2021, 09:46:13 PM
Quote from: Chris Canning on December 11, 2021, 05:02:20 PM
And yes through one of those quirks in life I have seen the inner workings of the GP paddock
That sounds like a real treat!
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Chris Canning on December 12, 2021, 01:01:56 PM
One of those quirks in life....it's a great story but sure as hell not one for the net.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on December 12, 2021, 09:03:39 PM
That is such a shame... ;) You are making me even more curious. :)
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 15, 2022, 02:11:45 PM
Ghulst's comment about demographic is something I've wondered about.

I think someone with 20k to spend on a bike is probably either a successful businessman or woman, or just inherited the parents house having already spent the spouse's inheritance on the obligatory caravan or motorhome  :*&*
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on March 19, 2022, 07:44:55 AM
Thanks Bixxer Bob. And the one thing that BMW has always done very well, is to cater for that same businessman or woman. When I want to get myself a 1250GS, I can get it on financial lease for a 2% interest rate. Combined with the possibility to deduct all expenses (including interest) from my company revenues, makes buying a GS an easy choice without having much money tied up into one, unlike any other brand. The lease runs for three years, after which you can trade it in and have the same deal. As the trade-in price is always there, it actually gets cheaper after you have done your first one. I am always surprised why other brands do not offer an option like this. I do believe that it gets people to get more BMW's than other brands. (And I know quite a few business owners in my network that ride their bikes in this way.)
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 20, 2022, 10:48:03 AM
As one thinking of setting up a business in the near future, that is very good news. Except I really don't want a BMW  :ImaPoser
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Sin_Tiger on March 20, 2022, 11:34:03 AM
Good point. I've often thought that when buying anything on credit, we're not buying from a maker but actually buying from a finance company. In which case as a consumer we should actually be able to walk into a showroom and tell the sales person "I want this financial product and now I'll browse the machines" much like we do with white goods and furniture stores.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on March 21, 2022, 08:41:19 PM
There are pros and cons to this type of setup. However, when you are making an investment and your financing is tax deductible, it becomes a different story. This is not really buying on credit, for an entrepreneur financing motorcycles often is a valid business decision. After all, if you pay the bike, that influences your liquidity. At 2 or 3% against the current inflation rates, you are actually getting free money, and it's tax deductible. ;)
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Nick Calne on March 22, 2022, 02:21:32 PM
The way money is at the moment is very weird.
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on March 22, 2022, 03:38:03 PM
Yep, that is true.

Fortunately, to distract us from all of that, there is a motorcycle test video out by Bike World and it seems to be worth it:
https://youtu.be/RSQSkYttgiw (https://youtu.be/RSQSkYttgiw)


This also means that Triumph needs to pick up that business financing guantlet. ;)
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: Madruss on January 04, 2024, 04:12:32 AM
Quote from: ghulst on March 22, 2022, 03:38:03 PMYep, that is true.

This also means that Triumph needs to pick up that business financing guantlet. ;)

Exactly how Yamaha sell bikes in Australia, by the boat load
Title: Re: The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!
Post by: ghulst on February 26, 2024, 03:45:40 PM
Here BMW Netherlands has you pay 33% up front, then finance 33% and then pay 33% at the end. The 33% that's financed goes at a very low percentage. During covid BMW Bank did it at 1%, at the moment it sits at 4.8% where all other motorcycle financing at other banks is currently at 9 or 10%. That pulls in a lot of customers. Especially business customers. And BMW NL makes as much money with BMW Bank as it does selling bikes. ;) If Triumph would be doing that, they might become more equal in sales as well. ;)
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