She's here...
Meet Talyn, named with the help of some of our more active members.
Talyn is a 2014 Tiger 800 XC ABS SE. She has just over 15k miles on her, which is not bad for a 9 year old, but has been quite lazy over the past few years, having only done 56 miles since her 2021 MOT and 9 miles since her 2022 one. I suspect that was 4.5 miles to the MOT station & 4.5 miles back.
Her Service history is a little lacking, having only had the regular service done on mileage, not yearly, but there are receipts for things like oil & filters for all years except the pandemic years. That may also account for the low mileages over the past few years.
She has an Arrow exhaust which sounds nice & was suposed to come with the original as well. I'm in contact with the seller & hope to have the exhaust soon - not that I'll change it over, but it's nice to have all her bits.
So, now she's tucked away in the garage having been cleaned & polished yesterday. A quick look over revealed a Scotoiler with the oil reservoir tucked under the pillion seat but not fixed to anything. A couple of cable ties sorted that. She also has a new battery. I also found her rather hard to push around. Turns out the tyres were down by about 15psi each. It moved a lot better after I pumped them up. WQill have to keep an eye on the pressures.
The strap in the topbox that stops it opening too far has broken, so that's on my To-Do list for today (as soon as I finish work) and there are a few small marks on the luggage, but aside from that I can't fault her. I've yet to take her out on the road though. I might wait until the weather improves.
Meanwhile, I still have Tallulah to ride when I need to get out.
Looking rather smart, both of them. I can see Tallulah's bars now :icon_scratch: odd that I hadn't spotted those previously.
I'll swap you one of my oem spare exhausts for the Arrow... You will need a truck with HD rear springs to transport it mind you...
Well, after spending a few hours cleaning Talyn, I fixed the strap in the topbox, but noticed the fogs were pointing in different directions. Spent around an hour getting them pointing in the same direction with the beam patterns matching & tucked her awaty in the garage again.
Yesterday (Sunday) having looked at the weather forecast for my area, I decided to tax her & today took her out for her inaugral run. & short 80 mile round trip to a pub for coffee & a bite to eat.
What I found was one of the fogs wasn't very tight, so started to slip down the engine bars and the gear change was a little too low for me. Both were sorted when I got home.
Sadly she is no longer a spotlessly clean Tigger which means another few hours in the garage to clean her.
As for the ride, I found her to perform really well, even compared to Tallulah's superior horses. The seating position was comfortable although I could probably do with some padding. The heated grips work well, even in 5oC. Yes, I know it's not that cold compared to some areas, but it was cold enough for my feet to get a little cold despite thermal socks. I love the handling though, it's so different to the 955i, so much easier to turn with the XCs wider bars and the clutch is smooth as silk. There's no CLUNK when selecting 1st and aside from stalling her twice - I put this down to being more used to the 955is 'agricultural' clutch, gear changes were spot on, whether I used the clutch or not.
I did notice that she doesn't pull as well as Tallulah, especially when overtaking, although when I first pulled away on the main road, I was surprised to find myself exceeding the 60mph speed limit by quite a margin. The key seems to be riding at higher revs, I found myself rarely above 4th except when on straight A roads. My only gripe is the digi dash, when I filled up, the fuel indicator only seemed to go up half way (the low fuel indicator works) and when riding into a low sun, I couldn't see what speed I was doing. Shielding my eyes from the sun didn't really work either as there wass never enough time for my eyes to adjust enough to the light conditions when looking at the dash, before I needed to see where I was going. Luckiny, I was riding with two other riders, both BMW R1200 RTs (some have our crosses to bear) and as they religiously stuck to the speed limits in 30 & 40 areas, I felt confident I didn't go above the limits either. Now, once I've fitted my Satnav, that should solve that issue as the displayed speed on it, is easier to see in odd weather conditions. I also need to swap over the dashcams at some point too.
I've yet to ride her with the luggage on, that'll have to wait for another day. Overall I'm impressed with the 800XC & am happy I got her.
Looking forward to some longer rides when the weather improves. :XXsunsmile
:wheel :thumbsup
Mine was a pre RBW gen 1, I had similar issues with stalling easily. Punched in the TOR map of the day, which gave me the excuse to fit a Zard end can :bad , made a very noticeable difference to city riding for me.
The 21" wheel makes a noticeable difference, the suspension setup is quite different to the cast wheel variants, I rode a friends back to back and felt more at home with the XC handling. I later spoke with a Triumph road tester at a factory event, who'd been on the development team and his comment was the XC was the better handling of the models, he just looked at me and said "budget" ;)
I stall mine occasionally.
I think it just needs more revs than your used to to get moving. Definitely not my ability level..no no no....
I also loaded the TOR Map with my GPR exhaust, and that seems to have improved it a bit.
Hi,
Persist with the 800XC, it's worth it.
I've recently sold my Gen 1/2012 800XC, after an enjoyable few years.
Pertinent points:
- Had the 'stalling' problem initially, helped to do the fine adjustments on the throttle cables (and familiarity);
- The engine characteristics are very different to the T400 - you can get away with 'any gear, anytime' with the 900's, but the 800 motors like to be revved; they show their heritage (i.e. coming from the 675 engines);
- 'Bike had a Leo Vince can on it when acquired, and I loved the note out of it! Probably didn't help fuel consumption... Had the Triumph TOR loaded, and happy with fuelling;
- I found that the handling of the 800XC was the closest to that of my '93 Tiger, moreso than the 800XR's.
- Switched to a set of Michelin Anakee Adventure tyres, and this transformed the handling!
My .02c.......
At some point I need to loo at what map is loaded. I'm hoping it's not the standard one due to the Arrow end can & the last service being done by Muddy Sump. The previous owner did mention that the software had been updated at the last service although he was not 100% certain what that actually meant.
Another job to do when I get some time..
as well as cleaning her, replacing the Givi fog light switch that's broken, adding extra padding to either the seat or my a$$, getting out & riding her more, sorting the fuel gauge and figuring out what the buttons on the dash do, attach the satnav mount, install the dashcam etc. etc. :icon_biggrin: :icon_biggrin:
Having bikes certainly keeps you busy.
One very important point to mention is the tendency of the underseat area to fill with water!!!!
This can happen if the tiny drain hole is blocked.
The issue is mainly the starting solenoid, with the 30A main fuse built into it. It's UNDER the battery, and is a known problem.
1) check drain hole...people put a small tie wrap though it, so the drain can be kept clear. Leave it dangling from inside
2) Check the starter solenoid connections are not corroded.
3) Check the main 30A fuse is not corroded/burnt, as this causes stalling. Its a poor design. Use a good quality 30A fuse. I sourced some Industry quality ones (Durite), not the lidl multipack type
Some people make a remote fuse. I tried it, and had issues with a poor quality fuse holder burning out ( Napa from the US!!)
Ended up buying a good, used solenoid, and refitting with a quality fuse back in its original place.
Lots of dielectric grease in and around the connectors ( actually, I got some from my last job, and greased every connector I could reach....)
Had a couple of hours to spare this weekend, so decided to fit the Pyramid hugger I bought early last week. Just four bolts - what could possibly go wrong!
The instructions are simple enough, remove chain guard by undoing the three retaining bolts - yep, two minutes. :icon_smile:
Thought I'd better clean everything up as I'd been out a while ago & there was still a bit of crud around the shock - 10 minutes to clean everything thoroughly around the swing arm/shock. :icon_cool:
Next remove the exhaust end can - a quick look and I cold see no reason to do this, so I didn't - two minutes to assess & decide I could reach far enough to not need to do this step. :icon_rolleyes:
Remove the two bolts holding the brake line brackets - two minutes. :nod
Fit the four rubber grommets and metal spacer rings to the hugger - five minutes (took my time and had a few sips of coffee between grommets). :icon_confused:
Slide the hugger over the wheel and place it loosely so that you can do up the forward bolt with brake hose bracket, finger tight only - A bit of a pain to do, After 15 minutes managed to locate and do up the bolt minus the bracket. I figured once I got everything aligned, I could undo each bolt individually & then refit this bracket. It was a bit tight in there as the exhaust can was still in place, but reachable. :icon_sad:
Do up the rear bolt with the brake hose bracket , finger tight only - WTF cannot for the life of me do the bolt up with the brake hose bracket in place, so did it up finger tight without the bracket the same as the front bolt, just to get the hugger in place. 30 minutes. :icon_scratch:
Next, do up the two bolts on the chain side, finger tight - Managed to do up the forward bolt but the rear bolt hole in the hugger seemed to be around 2mm offset from the hole in the swing arm. Abandoned after 30 minutes. :icon_cry:
Finally tighten all the bolts - Yeh, right. Undid all the bolts. Managed to finally do up the two on the chain side thinking this would align the other two bolts so it'd be easier to do the bolts up with the brake hose brackets. :BangHead
Not a hope, couldn't even align the bolts without the brackets, let alone with. :icon_mad:
After another hour, gave up and went shopping.
Sunday morning, removed the exhaust can to allow better access to do up the bolts with the brackets. After much swearing, a twix and a cup of coffee successfully do up both bolts, with brake hose brackets finger tight. 45 minutes
Turning my attention to the chain side, it was fairly easy to do up the forward retaining bolt, again finger tight, but the rear one was still approx. 2mm out. After pulling & pushing the hugger every way I could, it would still not line up. Now I know fibreglass is reasonably flexible, but what it does not do is stretch. I had two options, remove the hugger, take the grommet & spacer out & widen the hole slightly, replace the grommet & spacer & try again, bearing in mind I'd already spent far too much time trying to do up four bolts, or remove the metal spacer from the grommet and do the bolt up with just the rubber grommet in place.
You can guess which option I went for.
Funny how a 30 minute job can take five hours :icon_eek:
Jobs still to do:
- Check drain hole
- Check the starter solenoid connections are not corroded.
- Check the main 30A fuse is not corroded/burnt,
(thanks London_Phil)
- Wire in the Satnav (mount already done)
- fit dashcam
- find out where the green wire from the +ve battery terminal goes to
- connect TuneEcu to check the map for the Arrow can has been installed.
- check scottoiler flow now I've filled up the reservoir
then :wheel
As it's gong to be cold/wet for a while and I go into hospital on 23rd, assuming it's not cancelled, I suspect it'll be February before I get time to do any more, especially as I won't be able to drive/ride until then anyway.
Oh yes, be careful if you fit a Pyramid hugger, the holes don't always line up.....lol...
And on a serious note...
You can get an extender for the rear shock adjuster, search for https://www.ebay.co.uk/usr/vfrpaulvfr , he also does Titanium spacers and brake pins.
The shock adjuster can seize/fail
Later White Power shocks are a bolt-in ( but not the very later ones with electronic control...)
Ok, a quick update on what's been going on with Talyn.
She's basically been sitting in the garage doing not much. I on the other hand have been busy. Having fitted the Pyramid rear hugger and in anticipation of going away at least once this year, I bought a set of internal pannier bags, which includes a bag for the top box as well. They turned up this morning, so I thought I'd see how well they fit. They're a pretty good fit and appear to be well made, certainly better than the inner bags I have for Tallulah's panniers. At £39 for all three, I thought it worth a go.
I also bought the shock adjuster, which I also fitted today. The adjuster wasn't seized although I gave it a good spray with PlusGas just in case.
One thing I'm a little confused about is the adjustment of the rear shock. The Owners handbook suggests winnding the spring pre load adjuster all the way in (clockwise) and setting it at 0 clicks for two up, solo with luggage or off road and 24 for solo riding without luggage. Thing is, the full range from all the way in to all the way out appears to be only 13 clicks.
I've set it at 7 clicks for now and will see how it feels when I go out next. I haven't touched the rebound damping yet, not even to check what it's set at.
That is a nice purchase to start the year with! You seem to be collecting them well lately. :)
:rfl My bank account probably doesn't think so :icon_biggrin:
Quote from: Lee337 on January 21, 2023, 07:04:56 PMI also bought the shock adjuster, which I also fitted today. The adjuster wasn't seized although I gave it a good spray with PlusGas just in case.
One thing I'm a little confused about is the adjustment of the rear shock. The Owners handbook suggests winnding the spring pre load adjuster all the way in (clockwise) and setting it at 0 clicks for two up, solo with luggage or off road and 24 for solo riding without luggage. Thing is, the full range from all the way in to all the way out appears to be only 13 clicks.
I've set it at 7 clicks for now and will see how it feels when I go out next. I haven't touched the rebound damping yet, not even to check what it's set at.
I never adjusted mine...Probably need to look at sag, rebound and damping settings. Or just ride it...
Quote from: Lee337 on January 25, 2023, 03:24:44 PM:rfl My bank account probably doesn't think so :icon_biggrin:
Why did you tell her :BangHead :blah ;)
Quote from: Lee337 on January 25, 2023, 03:24:44 PM:rfl My bank account probably doesn't think so :icon_biggrin:
Well, I know that feeling. :*&*
Talyn still sits in the garage, unused except for my post xmas ride which seems like months past, far more than the 6 weeks it actually was.
For those of you who are curious, I've had a little issue with my heart & had to go in to hospital a couple of weeks ago for what the cardiac surgeon called a 'procedure'. I mention this because I really didn't know how unwell I was until it was fixed. I didn't feel like riding anything, had little energy and probably shouldn't have taken Talyn out at the begining of January. :icon_rolleyes:
But I'm back now & all those little jobs that need doing, can be done, including hard wiring the Satnav and dashcams to her.
Unlike Tallulah, I didn't have to remove the tank, which was good as I'd have needed to also remove the engine bars, beak, indicator pods and rad covers, and I really didn't want to go that far. Luckily all I did need to remove was the tank infil panels, one bolt & they slide off. That gave me enough room to feed the Satnav cable and the 3 dashcam cables through under the tank & alongside the frame. There are 3 cables as there's one for the forward camera, one for the control box/microphone and one for the GPS reciever. I only mention the number of cables because it would cause me a bit of a problem later. Once the infil panels were replaced, the wires were covered.
It took a little time to position the front camera, opting for sticking it to the off side headlight housing. The rear camera is stuck again on the offside, to the side of the rear light.
The Satnav mount was a little more challenging & I had to remove the screen for that. I managed to use the original Garmin mount so the Satnav sits just above the clocks, rather than attaching it to the bars as I did on Tallulah.
When I first removed the seat, there was what can only be described as a nest of wiring, alongside the battery. This was from the after market Givi spotlights which had just been stuffed into any space available. Added to this was a green wire connected to the +ve terminal and disappearing under the tank. No idea what it was until I remived the infil pannels & found it connected to the spotlight wiring. It was the wire meant to connect to a switched live, so the spots wouldn't stay on once the ignition was off. Obviously they stayed on unless turned off at the spot switch on the bars. It seemed an ideal opportunity to sort this out as the dashcam also needed a switched live.
So, to be clear, there's 4 cables running from the front of the bike, 2 cables from the spot lights, running in to a relay, a connector block and another 3 cables to power the spotlights plus one switched live, then there's another cable running from the rear camera and yet another power cable running from the dashcam control box, which splits into 3 wires, positive, negative and switched live. I hope you're keeping up. :qgaraduate
Anyway, back to connecting everything up. 10 minutes scratching my head & checking connectors & I couldn't find a suitable switched live wire to connect to, but figured there must be one running to the back of the bike for the rear light. Maybe I could use that.
To get to it, I had to remove the topbox plate, the fully looking plastic plate under it and finally the hefty looking metal plate under that which teverything bolted to. Once removed, I could see a relay which had a switched live wire. I connected a single wire to it with a bullet connector on the other end and ran it back as far as where the tool kit usually sits and secured it with a cable tie. I then joined the two switched live wires from the spotlights and dashcam together & using a female bullet connector, connected it to the wire I'd run from the relay. So far, so good.
After securing all the wiring at the rear of the bike, I replaced the topbox plate. Just the dashcam control box and an even bigger nest of wiring to find somewhere to go. :icon_eek:
Upstairs in a cupboard, I have a waterproof oversuit, an Oxford Product one if memory serves. It came in it's own bag which is meant to clip around your waist, for ease of carrying. The thing is, the bag is an integral part of the suit, there's a zip approx 20cm long and the whole suit is supposed to fold up inside itself & tuck in through the zip. I used it once and it was waterproof, a plus for Oxford products, but no matter how I folded it, squeezed it, squashed it and shouted at it, I could never get a one piece rain suit made for a 180cm 87kg adult into a 20x18cm bag. That's why it was only used once & why for the past 8+ years, it's sat upstairs in a cupboard.
I mention this as I faced a similar problem tucking the wires for spotlights, satnav and dashcam neatly under the seat of Talyn.
Many cable ties later, I'm still not convinced I've achieved the neatest solution, but at least for now I've manahed to fit everything, including the tool bag under the seat.
At some point, I'll take a few photos, assuming the wires don't spring out 'Jack-in-the-box' style when I take the seat off next.
I still have to line the cameras up and want to take Talyn out for a good run in the near future, just to make sure everything works as it should.
While I'm at it, I might realign the spots as well as last time I played with them, to get the beams aligned horizontally, I didn't notice that they're now hidden behind the negine bars :BangHead
Still, what use is a hobby if there's nothing else to do.
I fitted a power distribution unit under the seat, it's an early version of Sin's one from Marks Motorcycles.
https://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,17094.0.html
Far tidier than loads of cables everywhere.
The only thing is the Marks one is bulky, and not waterproof, but half the cost of the next dearest rival.
Very useful device.
Quote from: London_Phil on February 05, 2023, 08:12:59 PMThe only thing is the Marks one is bulky, and not waterproof, but half the cost of the next dearest rival.
Very useful device.
It's a good unit for the price and if you don't mind faffing with some neoprene to keep most of the moisture out, beware it does NOT have reverse polarity protection :BangHead
Had a look at the box of tricks & from what I gather, it allows you to connect multiple +ve & -ve terminals through the box so that there's only one +ve & -ve connection to the battery.
While it seems good in principle and I can see the sense in isolating all the accessories rather than wiring them direct to the battery terminals, both the camera and spots have a switched live, it's only the Satnav that doesn't and if I'm not on the bike, nor is the Satnav.
There is an issue around waterproofing which is probably not difficult to resolve but more of an issue for me is space. I'll try to remember to take photo later of the vast amount of cables tucked away under the seat & you'll see what I mean.
Managed to get out to the garage before the light faded too much & took these. Not pretty but for now, it does the job.
Photo 1 is mostly the wiring for the spotlights.
Photo 2 is mostly the dashcam.
Quote from: Lee337 on February 05, 2023, 01:00:27 PMBut I'm back now & all those little jobs that need doing, can be done, including hard wiring the Satnav and dashcams to her.
Let's just start off to say that I am happy to hear that you have had that procedure and that it has helped you get your energy back! :)
And man, have you been busy. Looking like good progress!
That wiring would give many less committed owners a heart attack :icon_lol:
I thought this was the connections for a power commander ;) I had one on my previous 660 Te'ne're' :icon_confused:
Took Talyn J out for a blast at the weekend, not too far but enough to have a little fun. This time around, I had the Triumph top box on the back as I needed to take some documents in to the city (no not that one, Peterborough).
Didn't really notice the to box was there, which was nice. It's also the first time Talyn J has been through a city in my ownership. I have to say it's far easier than riding Tallulah, lighter clutch, smooth gear changes and I just LOVE the way the exhaust pops and bounces off the buildings when decelerating with the Arrow end can, something I actually missed when I changed Tallulah's end can from the standard to a Blue Flame can. :icon_twisted:
One thing that is going to bug me is the wind noise. :icon_sad: I spent quite a bit of time eliminating, as much as possible the same problem with the 955i, eventually raising the screen 15mm off the fairing using spacers and fitting a cheap eBay bought wind deflector. The increase in noise between the 955i and 800XC, even with the adjustable touring screen, is noticeable. No buffeting, but even with ear plugs, just a little too noisy. The screen is set to its highest setting and just by dipping my head a few cm, it makes a high difference, so it's definitely something to work on. :icon_scratch:
I read somewhere than lowering the screen can make a difference to the wind noise, which I'll try but then I suspect wind buffeting would be an issue, so I might start off by taking the wind deflector off Tallulah and trying that on Talyn J.
By the way, the more observant of you may have noticed that Talyn has acquired a 'J'. There's good reason for that, depending on who's asking. J is Mrs L's initial, J is also the initial of an old friend who I bumped in to recently :augie and J is the initial of of my recently departed friend, which is the real reason. I introduced her to the wonders of riding pillion 40 years ago and it seemed a good way of paying tribute to our friendship over the years.
So Talyn J it is then.
I've got a taller screen on mine, it does help
I'm assuming that she's fitted with an early stock screen?
I'd considered cutting mine down too from early experience on highways limited to 90/ 100 kph (30 C deg temps) but I found that once the speeds got a bit higher than that :augie it was better in most respects. In more recent times started using a Wunderlich adjustable spoiler to good effect on a few bikes, there are plently of cheaper copies around now but the quality can vary a lot. Apart from adjustability to suit rider and changing conditions, a big benefit is no modification ease of fitting and removal.
I think I have an old standard screen in the loft if you want to experiment cutting one down.
Thanks for the offer. The screen on Talyn J is an adjustable touring screen, so will probably have a play with it first to see what I can do.
Screens and wind are horrible. I always have trouble getting a decent position on anything. The 800XC was alright, but I have not been able to become friends with the 1200GS at all. I am now on my 5th screen... Two of which were completely adjustable. Very frustrating.
I always start on a road where I can easily park on the side to then adjust the height. I usually start low, do some miles and feel the airflow with my hand. It usually gives me a half decent idea whether the screen needs to go higher. Then I adjust it in small increments and see the change after driving a couple of miles.
Not that this is perfect, mind you, but at least it feels like a structured process. If it doesn't work, you then buy another screen. Or another bike...
Sin's suggestion of a screen top spoiler seems to be a very popular option.
I've had a couple (always have a decent one in store, just in case), but they weren't always the solution I needed. But if it solves it for you, then that is all the better. You can often grab them for a couple of tenners.
Another little job done today. Was moving Talyn J out of the way so I could clean up Tallulah ready to sell & noticed the chain was a little mucky. So Tallulah stayed where she was & I pulled Talyn J out in to the light.
Odd I thought, that the chain is covered in crud, dry & showing signs of rust as there's a scotoiler. So first job was to rhoroughly clean the chain. Unfortunately I had no chain cleaner but clutch/brake cleaner did the job. 10 minutes later & job done. Chain cleaned up a treat. What's better, no tight links. Turns out the scotoiler wasn't working. No wonder the chain looked bad.
Anyway, a little investigation revealed the oil tube was cable tied so tight to the frame it was squeasing their tube tight enough to stop the oil flow.
All now working again and I gave the chain a good lube for good measure.
Never did get around to pulling Tallulah out. Maybe next weekend.
I do like Scotoilers, if they're properly installed, they don't take a lot of looking after.
Got a dual injector system on mine now, since we had the,,you know..."incident" but the angle of the swingarm faces make it a bit awkward...
Obviously any excuse not to sell Tallulah will work. ;)
Good to hear the oiler is active again. They are great to have, though I have to say that filling mine was terrible. It would spill everywhere.
It's official
Looks good
Just a comment on indicators.
A while ago I fitted LED ones from later bikes, with a solid state relay, and recently got the 3d printed inserts with lights from ADVmoto https://www.advmoto.co/about
Lifts the fronts to a better location, and the infill light looks good, and increases indicator visibility.
Would recommend. ( he actually sold me just the light inserts, and I made up the rest, but the whole kit wasn't much more expensive, and his wiring is better than mine...)
Yep, been looking at those recently - still undecided though. Maybe next month after I've been paid :thumbsup
Nice job :thumbsup vynil or hand painted?
That's a neay kit Phil, that person looks like the kind that will come up with product solutions for other issues / bikes, so that's a boolmark :icon_salut:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/XEQvQjKcLQ1sWxpR9
Mount hardware for the relocation is mine, not the kit. I only got the side repeaters
I relented & ordered the kit.
As for the name, it's vinyl. My calligraphy is akin to doctors handwriting & I managed to buy 2 for around £10 including postage, although I've only used one of them.
I'm pleased with the result.
Any pictures? ;)
Of the indicators?
I'll put some up when I fit them :icon_biggrin:
Well, the kit arrived earlier this week but as I was working I put off doing anything until the weekend.
Alright, I didn't have the patience to wait until the weekend, so finished early Thursday & headed out to the garage. Would have been sooner but I was away at a meeting until Wednesday evening.
I must admit that the instructions that was emailed to me were very clear but I ended up having to also remove the side cover, which the instructions said was possible. Because of this it took a little longer than expected. To give you an idea, it took Queens of the Stoneage - Songs for the deaf plus Puddle of Mud - Come Clean to complete the task.
I'm pleased with the result :icon_biggrin:
She's pretty much how I want her now & ready to ride in to the sunset, which I'll be doing in June when I head off to the ABR festival. The ticket has been bought along with a tent, and a few other bits & pieces of camping kit I didn't already have.
I suppose at some point, I'll have to load Talyn J up, just to see how she handles. It's been almost a year since I've loaded up a bike & that was Tallullah, which is a different riding experience to Talyn J even if they are both Tigers. :wheel
I think that looks better too.
A little more fettling in the garage, this time with TuneECU. I noticed a while back that Talyn J was still running the standard map. According to the previous owner, MuddySump did the last service (borne out by the paperwork which shows the 12,000 mile service was done in March 2022 @ 15,600 miles) and also updated the map to the latest available. Well, he may have done, I don't know as the paperwork only shows an Autoscan was carried out.
Anyway, the map was showing as 21067 (replaces 20769), the one for the standard exhaust. So, I replaced it with 21065 (replaces 20767) which is the one for the Arrow silencer. A fairly easy job once I got TuneEcu working. I have this piece of software on an Android tablet as well as the original Windows version on a laptop, but decided to use the Android one as this is kept updated.
So, move Talyn J out of the garage and park her under the kitchen window where the tablet can pick up a WiFi signal and after a short while Talyn J was registered. Only, I noticed the battery on the tablet was down to 55%. Odd as it was fully charged when I started. Well, I had Talyn J on the battery charger and had removed the headlight fuse, so first up, copy the original map. By the time this was done, the tablet was down to 18%. Well, I wasn't going to risk it, so I discuonnected everything and put the tablet on charge, while pushing Talyn J back in to the garage. Maybe I'll tackle it the next day.
3 hours later, the tablet was fully charged.
It was a cool but dry day as I lifted the garage door to see Talyn patiently waiting for her new map. I decided to use the laptop rather than risk the tablet running out of charge half way through Talyn J's procedure, which meant running an extension cable from the house to the garage (No, I still haven't sorted out the electrics).
Laptop plugged in and ECU connected, I checked everything was working, including the DAB radio with Planet Rock playing in the background. and just in case, backed up map 21067 again. 15 minutes later and all was ready. Another 15 minutes and Talyn J was sporting map 21065. Before disconnecting everything, I thumbed the starter and...
NOTHING! Not as click - it was as if I'd forgotten to pull in the clutch, or hit the kill switch.
Switched the ignition off, heard the stepper motor do it's best impression of an old internet modem, disconnected the laptop, switched the ignition back on and tried again. This time she burst into life.
A quick check with the Android version of TuneEcu and everything seemed to be as it should. It was time to take her out.
First thing I noticed is how much smoother she seemed to be. I'm not certain if I imagined it, but she seemed to pull better as well. While I was out, it was enivitable I'd take her for a thrash around some of the more twisty roads the local Institute of Advanced Motorists use for training their riders, including town, short, sharp twisties, a short stretch of dual carriageway and finishing up with some really nice long, curvy roads. A thoroughly enjoyable ride.
A great ride marred by only one small thing, as I slowed down at some traffic lights, the engine died. She started up again immediately but I did notice the idle was a bit low.
Got back to the house and again, the idle dropped & engine stalled. She started up again and the same thing happened, after a couple of seconds, idle speed dropped & engine stalled. This needs investigating. A search on T'internet suggested everythign from high Reg/Rec voltage putting the ECU into limp mode, stepper motor seized, throttle bodies out of adjustment, old map (triumph apparently issued a new map to cure idle speed issues) valve clearances out and the usual 'it's the starter motor failing'.
So not much help there then. But I did come across an article which suggested the rod connecting the stepper motor to the throttle bodies can sometimes get a bit mucky & jam up. The suggestion was spraying brake cleaner around the linkage, followed by a lubricant (not WD40, whioch I don't use anyway). It was also suggessted you switcxh the engine off, await the stepper motor to do its modem trick, then open & quickly release the throttle a few times. So I did both.
All this before the engine was cool. Switched the ignition on again & she fired up and idled at a steady 1000 rpm. switched off, started her up again and she idled perfectly. Left her running until the fan came on, to get her noce & hot just to see if the idle would drop but she behaved herself. Switched off, then restarted with the same result, a near perfect idle.
To be honest, I'm not sure if what I did has cured the issue, so I don't know if the problem will return, but if it does, then it's looking like a tank off job, something I'm keen to avoid for the moment, but I need t have the conficence in her to take her away in June, first to the ABR festival, then off down to Devon for a few days. I really don't want to have to use Tallulah - yes, I still have her :icon_rolleyes:
I have the same map, and it doesn't give any issue.
Bad connection/corrosion of the main 30A fuse under the battery can cause this, not sure the rec/reg would.
Stepper motor only really in use when bike is cold, to keep the revs up.
Normally it gives problems on a cold start, and is OK once warmed up.
Manual replacement is an option.
The thing can seize, and the plastic cam part can break.
Relearn of idle can be achieved using Tigertool (not tune ecu), or by starting from cold, not touching the throttle, and leaving the bike to warm up, the fan to cut in, and another 12 minutes of idling.
I do stall mine a lot, as I'm used to low revving bikes.
You can see most of the stepper mech from outside with a bit of careful torchwork.
I'd start with the main fuse.
I do have a spare set of throttle bodies which includes a stepper motor, from a bike that was written off when it was in a dealers that got flooded.
Available for test if required.
Could you have kill switch or related components issue?
Thanks for the info. Didn't think it could be the stepper motor as never a problem from cold, but felt I needed to try something.
I'll check out the fuse when I have a little time
Its not so easy to see, but the stepper only adjusts the stop position a small amount for cold tickover adjustment.
The nut with yellow in the pic is the top of the stepper mech, and it operates a lever that adjusts the roller in the middle up or down acting as an electronic stop. it is only interacting at that point, and is not directly connected to throttle, only the stop.
The second image is looking up from underneath the stepper, and shows (badly, I'm afraid) the motor shaft and sprung loaded plastic cam that moves up and down as the motor rotates. The motor can seize, or more likeley, this area can become dry and seize/overload the stepper.
Finally the plastic cam can brake, causing issues.
A good squirt with GT85 or something from outside can help.
Gave it a good spray of ACF50, but from what you've said, it doesn't look likely it's to do with the stepper motor, there's no issue with it cold starting.
I'll check the 30A fuse next time I have time & see if the same thing happens.
I also have a spare main fuse/relay if needed...
Appreciate it and the suggestions, thanks. :notworthy
Had a bit of time this morning, so off came the seat, battery out & had a quick look. There's something in the bottom of the tray, looks like wood chips?
OK, dusconnect the ecu & remove.
No, not Woodchester, looks more like peppercorns, or some kind of seed - that looks like they've been nibbled by something.
Now the last time I had this problem, it was my Mercedes SLK & it was full of peanuts from the bird seed Mrs L keeps in the garage, but these were old and nothing like anything stored in the bird tubs so they've been there since before I bought Talyn J.
Out comes the hoover & all cleaned up. Next, check all the wiring. No teeth marks, no fraying wires and no corrosion. So a Liberal application of electrical grease to all connectors, a cable tie in the now cleared drain hole and all back together again. Another 10 minutes and clock reset and set to show UK mpg rather than the other foreign stuff involving litres & kilometers. Oh, I also put the sheepskin seat cover on her too.
Off for a ride in the morning :wheel
Looking forward to a report on how you enjoyed many kilometers of great riding on Talyn. ;)
A nice 100 mile run today (160km) with absolutely no problems. was out with the local Advanced Motorcyclists group so wasn't hanging aaround too much, mostly pushing Talyn J on 3/4th up to legal ( :icon_salut: ) speeds. Didn't miss a beat.
Once the engine was up to temp, she ticked over nicely at around 1100rpm although she did drop lower a couple of times, she didn't cut out.
Aside from cleaning up all the electrical connectors in the battery area, the only thing different was filling her up with E5 super unleadded, which may have made a difference.
I've ridden her just over 500 miles since buying her which I know isn't a huge distance but I feel I'm beginning to gell with her now. I feel more comfortable, able to push her a little harder, accellerate a little quicker & stop a little later (obviously not too late, not had the ABS kick in yet and to be fair I'd rather it didn't).
A little disappoinyted at the mpg though, it's hovering around 46mpg, uk (just over 5.1l/100km) whereas Tallulah, you remember her - yes she's still sitting in my garage, averaged 50mpg. Maybe I'm riding a little differently although I don't think so.
A nice long trip to the ABR festival followd by a run down to Devon may show up a different figure, I'll let you know.
Honestly, I doubt I ever got my Tiger 800 more economical than 5.1. ;) Might have been how I rode it, but even on longer trips that was about the number. For me anyway.
Still, good to see you counted our foreign kilometers. :D
Didn't want to exclude any of our European cousins :XXsunsmile
I just couldn't help but tease you with it. ;)
:ImaPoser :pottytrain2
Any day now...
https://youtu.be/ZsDudkZP9AU
Looking forward to it. :)
It's here! :wings
https://youtu.be/XySegON1Ag8
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on January 03, 2023, 12:24:38 AM:wheel :thumbsup
Mine was a pre RBW gen 1, I had similar issues with stalling easily. Punched in the TOR map of the day, which gave me the excuse to fit a Zard end can :bad , made a very noticeable difference to city riding for me.
The 21" wheel makes a noticeable difference, the suspension setup is quite different to the cast wheel variants, I rode a friends back to back and felt more at home with the XC handling. I later spoke with a Triumph road tester at a factory event, who'd been on the development team and his comment was the XC was the better handling of the models, he just looked at me and said "budget" ;)
Hey! How do you like the quality of the Zard? I'm looking into swapping out the OEM can for something a little different than some of the more popular brands. Thanks for the feedback in advance!
I had a 800XC Pre-DBW Gen 1 also, and it came with a 'Leo Vince' can - the unfortunate result was higher fuel use: 'Cos I loved the sound of it!!
I found that the 800XC with the 21" front felt the closest in handling to my '93 T400/885, especially after fitting Anakee Adventures. Found this out initially from a dealer/Triumph Ride Day covering both the 800 models when they were released, and a 1050 Sport, and confirmed in the couple of years I had it and doing a number of IBA rides.
Quote from: TallyHo on November 16, 2023, 10:17:11 PMHey! How do you like the quality of the Zard? I'm looking into swapping out the OEM can for something a little different than some of the more popular brands. Thanks for the feedback in advance!
I've got a GPR exhaust on mine
Its a Furore Nero, I think.
This is NOt my bike, its from Norman Hyde Website.
Its slimmer than the oem, and not too noisy, but definitely a bit more throaty. Gurgles nicely on the overun too.(https://normanhyde.co.uk/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/5/_/5_3.jpg)
I had a Leovince on mine and really enjoyed it. I never really tracked the fuel use on it, so ignorance is bliss I guess. ;)
It had a nice sound to it, but wasn't so loud that I did not dare to take it out on an early ride.
MOT time for Talyn J, spent an afternoon giving her a once over, to make sure everything was as it should be.
- Lights - all work
- Horn -nice & loud
- Tyres - all good
- wheels & bearings - all good too
Last couple of jobs, a good wash & brush up , clean & lube the chain and we're good to go.
So off I went to my local MOT station, I'd left the headlight protector on & was a bit worried that the beam pattern would be a little off. Turns out it made no difference - she FAILED :bug_eye
When I got her around a year ago, she came with a full MOT. I'd had little chance to ride her in the dark so didn't notice that the headlight beam pattern was non existent. I had (wrongly) assumed that she came with LED lights fitted as standard.
I was wrong.
Turns out the LEDs and not cheap ones were after market and offered little in the way of night time vision except for those vehicles unfortunate enough to be coming in the opposite direction. :nono They were nice & bright though.
Back home, I had a couple of Osram Night Breaker H4 bulbs, which duly fitted I returned to the MOT station & now have an all clear for the next 12 months.
The LEDs are currently sitting on the bench while I decide what to d wit them.
For now, Marry Xmas/holidays to all :new_xmas :occasion14
Nice work! There is one very good solution for cheap LED lights that have probably come from somewhere far overseas. It can be easily solved by storing them in an enclosed environment where it is dark and they are not connected up to any other appliances. That solution will allow them to keep from blinding other motorists.
It's called...
A bin.
Turns out the LEDs were not cheap ones at almost £40 each (there are two of them)and from what I've found out, they're from the good ol' US of A.
Odd thing, now they're firmly in place in the bin, I can't seem to get them to light up :^_^
Got Talyn J to switch her lights on in the garage earlier & while her lights aren't quite so bright, the beam is certainly more er, 'road' focussed. Maybe I'll get to test them soon as there's a ride out to Hunstabnton on New Years day I might join in with.
I had an LED light on my GS, but that was a 100+ jobby. That actually worked well and gave more light than the halogen conversion I had on the previous GS. But at a price...
Service time for Talyn J, the first one I've done since she came to live with me. I confess, it's been over a year since her last service & she's now done just over 18,000 miles so was due some TLC.
With the help of the 'official' Triumph service sheet, downloaded from somewhere (can't remember where), it all went pretty smoothly. There were a couple of things I didn't do, like check the plugs and change the chain rubbing strip (although I did check it) as these were done during the last service 2,500 miles ago by Muddysump.
Aside from the oil & filter change she needed little else, even the chain needed only a clean & re-lube, no adjustment. She does have a Scottoiler fitted which I really should set up properly again. I spent ages last year getting the flow rate just right but on my trip to the ABR festival last June, turned the flow rate off as it was spraying oil over the rear wheel, probably as I'd set it up when it was cold making the oil a bit gloopy and by June it was hot so the oil was more fluid.
It's one of those vacuum operated oilers rather than the electronic ones, so a bit of a pain to adjust properly. Maybe I'll look at it again later in the year & before I set off on my annual grand tour of the West Country & Wales in June, but for now, I'll rely on manually cleaning & oiling the chain.
Thought about upgrading to an electronic one but they're in excess of £200 for a Scottoiler, although I'm sure other ones do exist. I made my own oiler which is on Tabitha Trophy which works well enough, but the flow adjustment is still a manual thing, so I'll just stick to the basic Scottoiler Talyn J already has.
I always thought that the side stand was a little wobbly but having checked the bolt, it was always nice & tight, so just assumed all was as it should be. Turns out it wasn't. While checking for oil leaks after a quick run up the road & back, I had Talyn J on a paddock stand and noticed that the centre stand seemed a little loose. There are two bolts on the left that hold both the centre and side stand bracket to the frame, both these were finger tight once I'd put a socket on them. Not certain how long the bracket had been loose, as I said, the side stand has been like it since I've had her, but having tightened up those two bolts, the side stand is now less wobbly, not as tight as Tallulah's but much better than it was.
So with a fresh MOT and service now done, she's good for another year. I'm hoping this year to do a little more than the 2,400 miles she did last year. At least my health scare is now pretty much resolved, so I have no real excuse this year t get out & about.
I recently inherited a fairly decent camera and having more than one quick release tank bag, have modified it to carry my camera, a telephoto lens and a few other related bits, I'm hoping to get out there & hone my admittedly lacking photography skills.
YouTube does have it's uses after all. :occasion14
Mines at nearly 24K and I didn't actually believe Triumph checked the shims at the alleged 12K service.
For some strange reason, I'll do almost anything on the bike except touch the shims. It causes no issues, and unless I can persuade Muddy Sump to come and just check them, I'm leaving them alone..
I have a vac operated Scott-oiler with dual injectors, and it seems fine.
Doing the shims doesn't really bother me I've done them on the Daytona, Trophy & Tiger 955i, at least checked them anyway. None of them needed adjusting but I have the Triumph valve tool if I need it.
Had a bit of time last weekend as Mrs L was at her sisters.
Took Talyn J out for a couple of cracking rides heading north one day and west the other. probably covered 300 miles over the two days, with many coffee stops. Found one place which was a coffee shop, 2nd hand furniture warehouse and odds & sods shop. One coffee later and heading outside I spotted a Canon DSLR camera on a shelf. A quick look, no lens but a battery and 64Gb memory card and a price tag of £15. Copuldn't resist itso out came the wallet & in the top box went the camera (yes it does work & I have/had lenses to spare form my other cameras). It nowe sits almost permenantly with Talyn J should I feel the need to take photos when out & about.
Not your usual motorcycle accessory I admit, but at the price I paid, I'm not too worried about losing/damaging it. The strap is big enough for it to sit across my body over my bike kit, so if I'm on nice scenic roads, I don't even need to get off the bike to use it - result. :wings
As an aside, I've been unable to find one of these cameras for less than £60, so quite a bargain. And before you ask, yes there were photos on the memory card of a rugby match and some post match antics which were somewhat disturbing :bug_eye I'm pretty sure that sort of thing never happend when I used to play (at least not that I was invited to anyway).
Anyway, back to Talyn J, they were the first long rides of the year and I thoroughly enjoyed them. A mix of fast roads, sweeping bends and more technical twisties. Talyn J didn't disappoint, except for one small thing, I was a bit concerned about a rattle coming form the rear every time I went over a pothole or bump in the road. So off the bike I looked at the usual suspects, contents of top box? no, all wrapped up & nothing clonking. QWhat about that odd Triumph floating top box plate? no, not that either. Chain? Rear hugger? Pannier mounts? WHEEL? Nope, none of those. Everything looked secure & bouncing up & down on the seat I couldn't get anything to rattle, clonk or make any unusual sounds. So I gave up & carried on with my ride.
Monday came & it was a nice sunny & warm spring day but looking at Talyn J, she was filthy (as was my car, you know how mucky black cars can look), so out came the hose. Both Talyn J and Jax (my car) washed & polished but by this time I was expecting Mrs L home. As she didn't take her keys with her, I decided it probably wasn't a good idea to go for another ride, so I opted to clean out the garage.
So there I was sweeping the garage floor, admiring my three big cats, Tiger 800xc, Tiger 955i and Jaguar XE, along with my old Trophy 1200 and the still not working Daytona. You might be surprised that I have so many or that all my vehicles seem to be British - I'm not, I'm surprised that four of them actually work at the same time :^_^
Oh, the rattle/clonking sound coming from the rear? Turns out the tool kit under the seat had worked its way loose & was rattling around :icon_redface:
Four working vehicles at the same time? That's just excessive! Time to start wrenching on something. :mut
Oh, and that camera is a steal. Now we are all waiting for more pics.