I am the proud new owner of a "brand new" '06 955i with 6800 miles as of 2 weeks ago!!! I love it but for the vibration on the highway. I have searched for vibration issues and none of the answers seem to fit my problem. My assumption is that the triple engine should be about the smoothest engine out there. Maybe I'm wrong. So, here goes.
The highway cruising RPM's are roughly 4000 to 4500 RPM as I go around 65 +/-. When cruising, the handlebars vibrate horribly such that I purchased Grip Puppies to lessen the numb wrist/hand that I got after about 20 min. (Didn't notice it in my 10-min, city-streets test ride.) The mirrors also vibrate such that everything is a blur. It has done this from the time I purchased it. The bike came with Touratech crash guards and skid plate. I have since removed the skid plate and installed a Triumph center stand. I have read conflicting reports on the crash bars being the culprit.
If I pull in the clutch and coast on the highway, the mirrors and handlebars are smooth and vibration free (engine idles down). If I am sitting on it in my driveway and it's in neutral and I rev it to 4000 to 4500 RPM, the mirrors are blurry and buzzing. I went so far as to buy and install Rox anti-vibe risers. No help.
So, it's not the chain, the tires, etc. that I have found posts recommending to check those. It seems to me like a TB balance issue? Maybe the crash guards? I don't know if this is related, but when the bike is cold, it starts, runs about 5-10 seconds, then stalls. I have to re-start it every time in the mornings (a couple times it has stalled twice), and sometimes after work.
Sorry for the long post, but I tend to relay everything I think is pertinent up front. Thanks for any input.
Hi there and welcome,
This is very unusual with these and is certainly not typical of the breed. Firstly is it running on all cylinders all of the time.
Secondly is to hook up to a set of vacuum guages and check the TB balance, could be the TB to head gasket leaking which the guages will show.
Hook up a lap top via an OBD2 lead (obainable from fleabay) and download TuneECU (lots on this site about it) connect up and post your findings (screen shot). It is easier this way instead of guessing or assuming and only costs the price of the lead, and there is me assuming you have a laptop!!!!!lol.
Could be something really simple but need to make sure everything is set up right first, just hoping the balance shaft is driving.
Are all your engine mount bolts done up properly? Some would have been loosened to fit the crash bars.
I wouldn't have thought throttle body sync issues would have caused vibes like that out on the road; but what do I know? :?
Hi Chazzy
It is a job to know what to suggest in these cases without looking at the bike, it does sound a bit extreme though, just have to try and cover all bases i think :?:
Can we have photo of the chain ajustment please,before we get side tracked.
My Money is on the Engine Mount Bolts, interestingly in the haynes book of lies, it says that the Engine Bolts MUST be done up in a particular sequence or vibration may result, thing is Ive had my engine bars off and on and didnt follow any particular sequence, maybe Im just lucky.
My wife has threatened to have me locked up more than once as I'm always checking the vibes through the left hand bar end with my thunb and forefinger,I got more vibes when I had a new map installed the end of last year,but after some R+D put it down to the TouraTech hand guards as they are mounted onto the end of the bar.
But what OHjim is on about ain't normal,but I'd like to see how slack the chain is before anything.
OK - I took pictures of the chain (on the sidestand). First one is slack the second is tight.
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Chris - Not sure how the chain would affect things as it does it while sitting in my driveway. Here is the link to a video of it (it's 78MB): http://rides.webshots.com/video/3031489 ... 4726NVVhng (http://rides.webshots.com/video/3031489050104984726NVVhng) The vibration is worse that the video shows, I think due to only 30fps on my digital camera and the downconvert from Webshots. Any other way to post it not counting YouTube?
Timbox2 - I have the factory manual and it states: 1)left hand front upper, 2) right hand front upper, 3) all remaining left hand working from upper to lower, 4) all remaining right hand working from upper to lower. Is that the same as the Haynes? I will try this tonight. I would suppose that when the PO had them put on (by the dealer), they just loosened the ones for the TT guards and none of the others. Maybe they all should have been loosened then re-tightened in sequence???
metalguru - Can I hook up gages without removing the tank just to check? The TB sync how-to says to remove the tank. I will be installing an Audiovox cruise control and may wait to get in there till that comes. But, if there was a way to sneak on the vacuum tubes just to check, I may not wait if they are bad. Does TuneECU work on the MAC, or PC only? Anything special about the OBD2 lead? I am guessing it has an OBD2 connector on one end and a USB connector on the other?
Thanks guys. I'll re-tighten the engine mounts and post back.
Jim
I loosened all the engine mounts and torqued them to 80 Nm in sequence per the manual. No difference sitting in the driveway.
On my ST1300 that I had, there is a counter-balance shaft that, when adjusted right, helped minimize vibration. Is there an adjustment like that on these triples?
Quote from: "OHjim"I loosened all the engine mounts and torqued them to 80 Nm in sequence per the manual. No difference sitting in the driveway.
On my ST1300 that I had, there is a counter-balance shaft that, when adjusted right, helped minimize vibration. Is there an adjustment like that on these triples?
There is a balance shaft but no adjustment as such, well not externally anyway.
Synching is a bit of a pain, you do need to remove the tank as the idle motor tubes have to come off and be replaced by the synch tool pipes, also you need to connect the tank up while off the bike, on your bike it can be done without extensions by snipping some zip ties and pulling the fuel pump wire and petrol pipe across to the other side.
Ive looked at your vid but cant see anything really.
One other thing, has the bike definately got the big end weights still on the bars?
One other thing, dont expect the Tiger to ever be as turbine smooth as Big H's V4.
There is something else to consider here, 6000 miles in 5 years?
The bikes hardly run in and hasnt been used, how old is the fuel in the tank etc etc.
Run something through the tank, get the TB's synched then get an Off Road Can(If it hasnt got one) and get a new Tune loaded.
Couldn't help but be amused when after a couple of posts an ST1300 is introduced into the equation!!! your Tiger ain't no ST :roll:
The fact that you think you can ajust the chain with a measure is wrong,the Tiger has no linkage system hence it isn't riseing rate,hence chain tension depends on the weight of the person/s on the bike,the only way to do it.
Sit on the bike,lean down and check the chain tension,almost certainly your chain is too tight,picture 2 is how it needs to be with you sat on it,it won't be,because your weight will tension the chain by some margin,sit on the bike one up,check the chain,now have 2 people on and check a again ,it's a hassle doing it two up,but it will so how much difference there is,you'll not be the first(or last) me included to be riding a Tiger with a chain set like a banjo string.
Re your video,bike sounds good,rev the balls of mine it'll vibe the mirrors just like yours.
What Tim said is right,lows miles not used much,there is lots written about how BMW's need lots of miles to bed in,Triumph are just as bad,my Tiger really started to settle down with 10,000 on,and they were hard miles,with the kind of miles you have it ain't even run in,and I mean that on a serious note :( .
You will also find plenty of info on fuel maps,they makes heaps of difference and hence my habit of checking vibes through the bar end,oh the other thing,go out and ride 200 miles and then see how the motor is,warm motors run better and you'll really see were you are with the bike.
As some kind of bench mark,I'm just in the process of loading the Tiger up for a few days away in Holland,the chain setting you see is for two people and gear,I made my mistakes with an earlier 885i :oops: (tension is the same),with both of us on the setting/tension will be spot on.
Yes the chain is well knackered as you can see by the tight links but still gets the jobs done,well it will till this winter when it'll get a new one.
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Judging by the rough idle you have there it still has the original weak as hell fuel map which will make it vibrate lots especially at the revs you say.
Takes a while to navigate but there is a wealth of info on this site which will answer all your questions, just use the search button. It all seems a bit daunting taking the tank off but once completed a couple of times it is straight forward. IE, OBD2 lead, yes there is a connector under the seat cushion, to connect pc to bike.
Do you have a Scotoiler or similar fitted as these can cause problems?
If all this sounds a bit complicated you could always go to the stealer and have him tune it but it will cost.
So long as you have access to a laptop the OBD2 lead are very cheap and the maps are available from TuneECU free.
I have had and found by experiment and reading, have managed to create a map that is smooth, economic when needed and goes like hell when needed to show up sports bikes! If you are stuck I will be more than happy to send it, just PM me your email addy.
The poor starting would also lead me to think it is running very weak which could be an air leak, perhaps caused by the PO removing the scotoiler or the scotoiler if still fitted causing a leak on the vacuum 'T' piece, the Idle Air Control Valve sticking (likely), can be reset with TuneECU without tank removal, or pipes from same gone hard. The Idle Air Control Valve does need cleaning from time to time and with the motorcycles light use over the years this may be a good place to start, as if it sticks slightly open will cause weak running hence vibes.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Couldn't help but be amused when after a couple of posts an ST1300 is introduced into the equation!!! your Tiger ain't no ST :roll:
Well, I know it's not the bike the ST is, but I also did not mention that my previous-to-the-ST-bike was a V-Strom DL650. The mirrors on that did not vibrate either and I would consider it the same or less refinement as the Tiger.
I will loosen the chain a bit, though I still cannot see how that would affect vibration when I sit on the driveway and run through the RPM range.
Metalguru - I will look for the cable and get TuneECU. It looks like it's only for PC, so I'll have to load it stealth on my work laptop. No scott oiler ever - PO used a wax from a spray can. But, I am about out of gas, so now is a good time to remove the tank and look things over. I'll dig into it this weekend and not wait for the cruise.
For a tune, I really like to get good mpg's. The bike is plenty powerful enough for me, so I don't need more performance. My first tank, I got 47 mpg's which I was OK with. Would like more. I will look into tunes - are the factory tunes available? Or are they no good and go with something like what you have?
Before you start digging a big hole for yourself,how close is the local Triumph dealer?,get the lastest tune put in, it's not expensive and 20 minutes tops and you'll get a quick result and cut down the options of what the problem is.
Having looked at your video a couple of times,exactly what are trying to replicate?? I've never had a bike yet that doesn't do what yours or my Tiger or any of the other bikes I own do.
I found raising my long term fuel trim from 4.6 to 5.0 smoothed out the bike at higher revs. I am now at the point that I adjust it up for motorway driving and down for twisties/ round town.
TuneECU has been the savour of my bike/me relationship.
CP
I went to the dealer at lunch and they put in 10176, started it and let it idle till the fan came on. Didn't do anything for the vibes. Will have to wait and see for the cold starting/stalling issue.
While it was running, he ran some sort of diagnostic check. It came back with 3 problems. One was throttle bodies out of sync and another was something to do with the throttle idle position. Cannot remember the third.
Will try to tear into it this weekend.
Jim
Quote from: "OHjim"I went to the dealer at lunch and they put in 10176, started it and let it idle till the fan came on. Didn't do anything for the vibes. Will have to wait and see for the cold starting/stalling issue.
While it was running, he ran some sort of diagnostic check. It came back with 3 problems. One was throttle bodies out of sync and another was something to do with the throttle idle position. Cannot remember the third.
Will try to tear into it this weekend.
Jim
What was the dealers opinion on the bike,I'd suggest you find another Tiger owner first and cross check with them.
As I said in the other post,whats with reving knackers off the bike at 4/5 revs,what relevance does that have.
Quote from: Chris CanningYes the chain is well knackered as you can see by the tight links but still gets the jobs done,well it will till this winter when it'll get a new one.
Strange you should say that Chris but it looks like a very similar make chain to mine and even useing the most slippery teflon chain lube on the market, mine has a few tight links but it developed these after about 500 miles although the chain itself is not worn at all!!
Quote from: "OHjim"I went to the dealer at lunch and they put in 10176, started it and let it idle till the fan came on. Didn't do anything for the vibes. Will have to wait and see for the cold starting/stalling issue.
While it was running, he ran some sort of diagnostic check. It came back with 3 problems. One was throttle bodies out of sync and another was something to do with the throttle idle position. Cannot remember the third.
Will try to tear into it this weekend.
Jim
That should be tune 10172 or 10173.
The tune the stealer has loaded is specific for Brazil. This may not improve matters.
The dealer must be very clever if he diagnosed the TB's were out of sync without first removing the tank and attatching guages, although an experienced ear can sometimes tell.
A clean of the Idle Air Control Valve (IACV) thats the triangular thing under the airbox with 3 pipes coming from it to the TBs and lube with some silicone/teflon spray NOT WD40 is a good tip.
You did not say if you bought the bike from a dealer or private, if it was a dealer then they should be responsible for making it start/run correctly.
I bought it private party. He said the "diagnostics" were telling him the TB's were out of sync, but what I saw on the computer screen said that the computer could not check that and showed a "?".
It was only $36 for them to look at it, so I'm not out too much. I will be getting the cable and researching how to use TuneECU. I ordered the cruise control and it should get here middle of the week next, so I may wait till next weekend to remove the tank and tackle both the install and the sync.
Here's a quick thing... Since the bike is so old, and it's only got a short amount of miles on it... have you taken the air filter out???
There is a good chance a clogged, or 'nested' air filter could be the culprit.
That, and maybe change the sparkplugs.
Throttle bodies should not get that out of whack to create that much vibration with that low miles.
And I'm 100% sure it's nothing chassis related (chain, tires, bearings, etc.)
Quote from: "OHjim"It was only $36 for them to look at it, so I'm not out too much. I will be getting the cable and researching how to use TuneECU. I ordered the cruise control and it should get here middle of the week next, so I may wait till next weekend to remove the tank and tackle both the install and the sync.
While you are in there it is a good idea to replace the convoluted hoses from the IACV to the TBs as these have a small sealing land and are prone to leak. Running as weak as these engines do on a standard tune any air leak is bad news. They can be replaced with silicone tube in any colour you fancy, just be careful when sizing length to avoid kinks when fitted.
Quote from: "metalguru"While you are in there it is a good idea to replace the convoluted hoses from the IACV to the TBs as these have a small sealing land and are prone to leak. Running as weak as these engines do on a standard tune any air leak is bad news. They can be replaced with silicone tube in any colour you fancy, just be careful when sizing length to avoid kinks when fitted.
Do you know what size (ID) so I can purchase before going in?
Quote from: "metalguru"Quote from: "Chris Canning"Yes the chain is well knackered as you can see by the tight links but still gets the jobs done,well it will till this winter when it'll get a new one.
Strange you should say that Chris but it looks like a very similar make chain to mine and even useing the most slippery teflon chain lube on the market, mine has a few tight links but it developed these after about 500 miles although the chain itself is not worn at all!!
Well it's just survived another gung ho ride to Holland and back :D ,with the usual comments, 'Chain looks a bit slack' :roll:
Quote from: "OHjim"Quote from: "metalguru"While you are in there it is a good idea to replace the convoluted hoses from the IACV to the TBs as these have a small sealing land and are prone to leak. Running as weak as these engines do on a standard tune any air leak is bad news. They can be replaced with silicone tube in any colour you fancy, just be careful when sizing length to avoid kinks when fitted.
Do you know what size (ID) so I can purchase before going in?
Yes it is 6mm silicone tube suitable for vacuum.
OHjim....
If that thing is vibrating sitting in neutral on the driveway....
Something is loose (exhaust bolts ... common ) or you have air-gas-spark issues. I think it may be pretty simple.
Call the dealer who did your map ( I'm thinking Engles ) and ask to speak with Mike Jones tell him you just got a new tune from them to correct a rough running motor. Tell them the tune THEY put in may be the wrong tune. Get it verified.
I have an '06... silk smooth for a Brit Rubic Cube!
( PS I live in Omaha / Jerry Moffitt )
Everytime I buy a used bike ( mine had 1200 miles ).....
I changed everything! Then I can say I know what's in there.
While that tank is off... and nearly empty... Pull the fuel valve off ....hold the tank up and drain everything you can out. Use a white cloth to catch gas and debris, look for water. Clean the fuel valve ( they can get gunky inside ) and replace. Check every hose to make certain it is clean and
not kinked.
When you replace the tank. Get rid of that POS torque head screw at the bottom (under the battery holder ) and replace it with a hex head... you'll be glad you did...... nest time you pull the tank.
Put some premium gas in it and maybe some injector cleaner and run the snot out of it. ( Don't fill the tank ... you may have to pull it again .. just hook everything up ( battery too ) and prop the tank with a short 2 x 6 ) under the tail and start it up. ( For GOSH sakes make certain everything is connected! uh.. do it outside! )
There are only a few things it can be .... except it may have sat a long time ... that can be an issue. It's fixable ... just a head scratcher.
PS: Check Up & Coming > Jasper????? on this forum.
Quote from: "metalguru"Yes it is 6mm silicone tube suitable for vacuum.
I bought some 6mm tubing, but it looks big. Do I need 4mm not 6mm? Note that I have not taken anything apart yet and cannot see anything from the sides.
TT - I went to Engle's yesterday at lunch and Mike put in 10173. He felt the map for the TOR can was a little richer so the bike would not run as lean. I have the stock exhaust. He said to try it and he will put on 72 if I don't like it. It didn't help the vibration. But it starts a bit better.
I will be digging into it this weekend. I've got the cruise control and some new iridium plugs. I did not get a new air filter. May have to run by Engle's Saturday if needed. Wish there was a cheaper one available.
Jim
Quote from: "OHjim"Quote from: "metalguru"Yes it is 6mm silicone tube suitable for vacuum.
I bought some 6mm tubing, but it looks big. Do I need 4mm not 6mm? Note that I have not taken anything apart yet and cannot see anything from the sides.
TT - I went to Engle's yesterday at lunch and Mike put in 10173. He felt the map for the TOR can was a little richer so the bike would not run as lean. I have the stock exhaust. He said to try it and he will put on 72 if I don't like it. It didn't help the vibration. But it starts a bit better.
I will be digging into it this weekend. I've got the cruise control and some new iridium plugs. I did not get a new air filter. May have to run by Engle's Saturday if needed. Wish there was a cheaper one available.
Jim
Does the dealer agree that it's vibrating excessively.
Quote from: "OHjim"Quote from: "metalguru"Yes it is 6mm silicone tube suitable for vacuum.
I bought some 6mm tubing, but it looks big. Do I need 4mm not 6mm? Note that I have not taken anything apart yet and cannot see anything from the sides.
Yes it will look big as the pipe carries air from the IACV to the TB's at idle. It is one of those while I am in there jobs to eliminate a potential problem or make a present one better.
Just a thought but is it definately firing on three cylinders?
I would think it's firing on all cylinders as I was surprised how well it pulls from 20 mph in 5th gear. But??? I'll check the plugs when I pull them and post some picks.
The dealer did not rev the engine because when they loaded the program it had to idle for a while. Then, he got too busy to look at it. They did me a favor by fitting me in their schedule on my lunch hour and I didn't want to push it.
Well, the fuel light came on today, so I started a day early. And for starters, I found this:
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The hose was not connected and that is a direct opening into the filtered side of the airbox. Grrrrr. I also found a surprising amount of carbon buildup for 7k miles (hard to see):
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But, the plugs looked even:
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I have run 1 tankful with Chevron Techron. I may need to do that and Seafoam a few more times. Any way to clean the carbon with more dis-assembly?
I hope the tube being disconnected did not hurt the engine too much (dirtwise). Anyone think that could cause vibration? I wonder if it came that way from the factory. Would that have been touched for the 6k service or any previous scheduled maintenance? The PO took it to the dealer only.
Also, the gasket around the idle control valve wasn't compressed very much, so I wonder if that was leaking as well. I read a post on here that mentioned he had to put a bit of silicone around there to seal the ICV up better.
That tube is the barometric pressure sensor connection to the ECU. I don't expect it's sucked too much muck in unless you're riding round the Sahara, and it will be working (approximately) as designed.
Those plugs look on the weak side to me but it's hard to tell with modern fuels.
All that dirt around the throttle butterflies needs to be removed as they are ment to be closed at idle. Clean out the bodies aswell as there will be coresponding muck where the butterflies seat.
May be a good idea to balance the bodies while you are there as the dealer will not have been able to sync them correctly.
Plugs look about right as these run very lean on the Triumph tunes, (emissions and all that).
Clean out the IACV aswell as dealers don't do that either, a little bit of silicone lube (NOT WD40) on the sliding part of the valve works wonders.
Quote from: "iansoady"That tube is the barometric pressure sensor connection to the ECU. I don't expect it's sucked too much muck in unless you're riding round the Sahara, and it will be working (approximately) as designed.
Those plugs look on the weak side to me but it's hard to tell with modern fuels.
Correct Ian, it is the baro tube, but it's passive, it doesn't suck so no reason for crap to have gotten in there unless it blew in. Just take the tube off anf blow it through.
MG is right about the butterflys, but the important fact here is that with the baro tube flapping in the wind instead of sensing the airbox pressure, the ECU will have no idea how much oxygen is actually available. Instead it will think there's loads and will run the mix seriously rich. (Which is not what usually causes vibes, rich = smooth normally) but it will contribute to the state of the butterflys. And yes, I know the plugs look about right, but the butterflys have to be getting that crap from somewhere.
Just a quick update. This weekend I pulled everything apart and tried to sync the TB's. Here are the before and after pics:
Before:
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After:
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Couldn't get them closer as they varied while idling. Didn't stop the vibration. Have not gotten things back together yet as I am still getting the cruise done. (I will be documenting and posting that as well.)
I read on TRat that some have had success syncing at 4000 RPM. So I may look at that tonight. I also may remove the Touratech guards an start at square 1. In researching this, I found many that post that they have no vibrations in the handlebars or mirrors at all. Others say above 80 mph. There is a small group like mine and some of those don't worry what's behind . . . .
Hey OHjim !! Order 3 elbows, as there's 2 on the coolant expansion tank and they'll brake aswell :( they're 8mm but don't get Triumph ones or the same will happen !! you can get them in GRP, Polypropylene or brass !!
save yerself 1 headache :wink:
KK
ps do check the size, 8mm was off the top of me head :?
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"Hey OHjim !! Order 3 elbows, as there's 2 on the coolant expansion tank and they'll brake aswell :( they're 8mm but don't get Triumph ones or the same will happen !! you can get them in GRP, Polypropylene or brass !!
save yerself 1 headache :wink:
KK
ps do check the size, 8mm was off the top of me head :?
I'm not sure I follow??? Why do I need elbows?
is that not what happened to the one in the airbox ?? did it not brake ?? or did it just come out !!
KK
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"is that not what happened to the one in the airbox ?? did it not brake ?? or did it just come out !!
KK
Oh - the breather. No, it didn't break. I think whoever had the airbox off last, probably the dealer, just did not put it back in. It was tucked into the wire harness.
You are not alone, my 2002 tiger has the same vibrations.
I have tried most of the suggestions mentioned with no joy, good luck i will follow this post with great interest.
One common theme seems to be that my bike had only done 750 miles with its first owner in 6 years, i have now done 26000 in the 3 years i have owned her.
Cheers Ade.
Quote from: "OHjim"Oh - the breather. No, it didn't break......
:BangHead
Read my pervious post. It's not a breather, it's an essential part of your fuel management system without which the ECU cannot fuel the engine properly and it will not run correctly. Triumph don't fit extra bits for fun, each bit has a job to do.
Rant over.... :roll:
Quote from: "OHjim"Oh - the breather. No, it didn't break......
:BangHead
Read my pervious post. It's not a breather, it's an essential part of your fuel management system without which the ECU cannot fuel the engine properly and it will not run correctly. Triumph don't fit extra bits for fun, everything has a job to do.
Rant over.... :roll:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Quote from: "iansoady"That tube is the barometric pressure sensor connection to the ECU. I don't expect it's sucked too much muck in unless you're riding round the Sahara, and it will be working (approximately) as designed.
Correct Ian, it is the baro tube, but it's passive, it doesn't suck so no reason for crap to have gotten in there unless it blew in. Just take the tube off anf blow it through.
I did mean that it wouldn't have sucked much into the air filter housing......
I put the carb sticks back on last night and held her at 4k rpm's without making any further adjustments. Then slowly went through the rev range till about 5k while watching the levels. All cylinders flowed consistently through the range. So I left the adjustments alone.
Someone had mentioned spark/all cylinders firing. Is there a way to check if all coils are working properly at 4k rpm? I did put the new iridium plugs in but not much difference.
At the risk of pointing out the obvious,if I bought a new or new second hand bike and wasn't happy with it,in this case a Tiger I'd find another owner and get him to ride it for his/her opinion,before doing anything
Chris - obvious, but I appreciate it. I was thinking of taking it to the dealer because one of the guys there has an '06 and let him ride it. So your post is a good confirmation. Although, his is black . . . .
OK - I got everything back together this weekend and found this here when I was cleaning up:
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Anyone seen one of these before? Seems like it went on the front of the engine maybe based on where it was. Although I suppose it could have dropped on the floor and bounced up????
Also, not much change in vibration. But the cruise is installed and works great. I will have to swing by the dealer and have him look at the vibration and let me know if that's normal. Maybe I just need to fill the bars with lead shot like the connie owners . . . .
Looks like a mounting/alignment dowel to me.
Have another look at all the things you took apart.
Looks like circlip grooves on both ends :roll:
Have you tried trawling through the bike bandit on-line parts diagrams?
So whats the out come?
Thanks for reminding me. I forgot to download the pics I took over the weekend but can give a verbal update.
I took the Tiger to Engle's (dealer) and had a sales guy who has an '06 Tiger take it for a spin. He said it was vibrating just a bit more than his so he was going to get in touch with Triumph USA. He did not feel it was too bad though.
Then I was contacted by a member here that has an '06 locally. I met him and we swapped rides. They were very similar in buzziness, though his was slightly less. The mirrors buzzed on both bikes. As a side note, he had Pilot Roads on and they sure are smoother than DS tires. Never realized how much different as I had never had a chance to ride the same bike with different tires back-to-back.
Then, to get a baseline, I removed the Touratech engine guards and tightened the mount bolts up per factory manual. No difference. So I feel I can keep the guards on without affecting things. However, when I took off the guards and tried to put the bolts back into their holes, the farthest front upper bolt hole was misaligned so bad that I had a very tough time getting the bolt back in. Every other bolt was loosened so that I could re-torque everything per spec. I tried prying the right side of the engine forward to align the holes, jacking up the engine, etc., but not much helped. I finally had to thread the bolt into the hole and turn it round and round and round to get it in. I will try to post a pic tonight of the misalignment. Maybe that is affecting vibration????
So, I have the guards back on now and am looking at new handlebars and the Vibranator (just love that name). The bars I'm thinking about are Pro Taper SE KLX/DRZ 110 in silver ( http://www.protaper.com/products/handlebars/se (http://www.protaper.com/products/handlebars/se) ) as they are the flattest bar I could find with a bit of rise over the stock bars. And they have a similar clamp area to the Tiger. Many other clamp areas are wider and look like they will hit the tank at full lock - I held up a wider set at the dealer.
Jim
Having determined it's not much different to others(no two are alike) I'd have gone for a full service or new plugs at the very least,but hey ho,I only asked as many had put their two peneeth and and no reply.
Well, the dealer did the 6k service before I bought the bike. Then I had them update the tune (for TOR, which I may have them switch back because it did not improve anything). And I put in Iridium plugs, which I have put in all my bikes.
I think all I am concerned with now is that the intake valves had more-than-I-expected-for-7k-miles carbon build-up (picture in previous post). I think I may try the Seafoam intake cleaning, though I am not sure how to get the Seafoam to all three cylinders evenly. On a car, you simply pull the power brake hose and let it suck up the fluid into the intake manifold. Since we don't have a manifold, I may try to use the hole on the right side of the airbox (where I found the hose was disconnected when I took off the tank). Otherwise, I'll have to pull the tank again.
Quote from: "OHjim"Then, to get a baseline, I removed the Touratech engine guards and tightened the mount bolts up per factory manual. No difference. So I feel I can keep the guards on without affecting things. However, when I took off the guards and tried to put the bolts back into their holes, the farthest front upper bolt hole was misaligned so bad that I had a very tough time getting the bolt back in. Every other bolt was loosened so that I could re-torque everything per spec. I tried prying the right side of the engine forward to align the holes, jacking up the engine, etc., but not much helped. I finally had to thread the bolt into the hole and turn it round and round and round to get it in. I will try to post a pic tonight of the misalignment. Maybe that is affecting vibration????
I'd get the frame checked if i were you, could have a slight twist in it :shock:
is there any signs that the bike might of had a crash !!
KK
The answer is already on here re the comparison rides.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"The answer is already on here re the comparison rides.
I agree. I am doing the bars and vibranators 1) for better ergos and 2) lessen mirror buzz (hopefully). My posture isn't great with the factory bars and I think it is contribution to hand tingling along with the buzz.
Quote from: "OHjim"I agree. I am doing the bars and vibranators 1) for better ergos and 2) lessen mirror buzz (hopefully). My posture isn't great with the factory bars and I think it is contribution to hand tingling along with the buzz.
the aluminum pro taper bars are going to buzz worse than steel bars and make your hands tingle twice as fast ......trust me , i have a set on my 98 and steel ones on my other 98 , the steel bars have less buzz than the pro taper bars
Quote from: "Mustang"the aluminum pro taper bars are going to buzz worse than steel bars and make your hands tingle twice as fast ......trust me , i have a set on my 98 and steel ones on my other 98 , the steel bars have less buzz than the pro taper bars
Well, I bought them already and waiting delivery. Oh well. I wonder if this is another seat, windshield, etc. type of thing because I know I've read many posts on advrider and vsri (V-Strom) that aluminum were better than steel and only a few the other way 'round. I think I will like the bend better.
Last couple of rides I found my left hand going numb from vibes which it didn't used to do before. I scratched my head for a bit and eventaully came up with the answer. My wife bought me a new watch for my birthday which I don't usually wear while riding. It's a big, stainless steel thing and weighs a fair bit (could double as a cosh) so appears to have been acting as a vibe amplifier.
No watch, no numb hand. Sorted! :D
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Last couple of rides I found my left hand going numb from vibes which it didn't used to do before. I scratched my head for a bit and eventaully came up with the answer. My wife bought me a new watch for my birthday which I don't usually wear while riding. It's a big, stainless steel thing and weighs a fair bit (could double as a cosh) so appears to have been acting as a vibe amplifier.
No watch, no numb hand. Sorted! :D
That made smile,cuz I went through the same process earlier in the year :roll: