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so first ride today...
after having had a couple of Steamers it all felt familiar but different..
suspension feels harder, but in a good way... noticed even when I pushed it off the centrestand that ti didnt instantly dive , so I wonder if its had springs/oil uprgraded..? its got a kayaba shock which looks nice and shiny, so is that what it came with from new?
the seat came set at the highest position, but can get balls of both feet on the ground so will leave it for now..
screen seems to work quite well for me, although I shall have a peruse of the 'screen threads' later.. likewise what appear to be renthal bars are good, initially I thought I might have to rotate them back slightly but ok at the moment..
fuel gauge.. it was reading about 3/4 full, after about 50 miles it dropped to just over the fist mark so I stopped and put £10 worth in (less than 2 galls) and it was back to 3/4 again???
on a related note, I reset the trip when I put fuel in however when I turn the bike off then restart it defaults to Odo so you lose the trip reading... or am I pressing the wrong buttons?
so pretty good first impressions, BUT and its a big but, I'm not sure if I can live with the odd behaviour when trying to stick to 30/40/50 mph.. looking through the threads on here its seems to be a common problem, although I'm not sure if mine is just the normal 'issue' or if its worse.. when the bloke dropped it off today he commented that he gave it a run around yesterday and mentionned how smooth the engines are and had none of the usual FI snatchiness.. this is now making me wonder if its actually 'me' thats the problem rather than the bike :( other than that it starts, ticks over, pulls away and runs fine on an open throttle, its just at slower speeds I was constantly trying to find a gear in which it would run nicely.. need to find someone local with the same bike and let them ride mine and see what they think.. if it is normal, then I'm afraid it wont be staying..
If it hasnt got it, get an Open can and the offroad tune, but, I see it has a scottoiler, they have caused a few probs on girlies as they have to be plumbed into the idle circuit and if there are any leaks, its kangaroo time.
Luverly looking bike though, stick with it, It'll never be as smooth as well set up carbs, but it can be made Ok.
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BUT and its a big but, I'm not sure if I can live with the odd behaviour when trying to stick to 30/40/50 mph.. looking through the threads on here its seems to be a common problem, although I'm not sure if mine is just the normal 'issue' or if its worse.. when the bloke dropped it off today he commented that he gave it a run around yesterday and mentionned how smooth the engines are and had none of the usual FI snatchiness.. this is now making me wonder if its actually 'me' thats the problem rather than the bike ..
Make sure you arent't lugging the engine at those low speeds. Keep the rpms above 3500-4000.
Alot of what you discribe is a man who's just making the conversion from carbs to injection.
My traillie conversion was when I went from an Africa Twin to an 885i in 99,and an FJ1200 to an 1100s,I rode a steamer a while back,I wasn't sure if the throttle was connected to the motor by 3rd class stamp or Pony Express you just get so used to fuel injection it's so much more instant quirks and all.
You need time to learn how to ride it,be it dabbing the back brake to get the bike to squat before using the front,or just how you use the throttle,people complain about the motor hunting at set speeds,DON' DO IT :D ,it's like tooth ache and you just keep agravating it with your finger.
Tim said about the tune and open can,he's right and I'd do 15wt in the forks,taking the blanking plate out of the air box,but most of all a 19t engine sprocket,talk about life becoming relaxed,even at 90!!
But really what it's all about is welcome to the 21st century,thats not said as a sarcasm,but I've been were you are now,10 years ago and there's no way back.
Nice bike,by the way :wink:
Forgot,I have athe Tiger,K1200r sport,R1100s and an XT660x,on a fixed throttle setting they all hunt.
yep its the 'hunting at fixed throttle' thing that I'm struggling with... its something that I picked up on when I test rode the 800 and put it down to poor prep rather than it being a 'feature' :D I've a week off work and looks like we might have a decent couple of days weather so will get some miles on it and see how we go...
ref the '12 minute' reset mentionned elsewhere - what does that do and is it worth me doing it?
Nice looking bike mate.
How does it compare to the Steamer weight wise?
Quote from: "NeilD"yep its the 'hunting at fixed throttle' thing that I'm struggling with... its something that I picked up on when I test rode the 800 and put it down to poor prep rather than it being a 'feature' :D I've a week off work and looks like we might have a decent couple of days weather so will get some miles on it and see how we go...
ref the '12 minute' reset mentionned elsewhere - what does that do and is it worth me doing it?
Which ever tune you have in makes a difference,and the 02 plug that you can buy to fool the ECU makes a huge difference,but I didn't like it,it knocked the edge off the motor.
But mine hunts at fixed throttle,and hence why I don't do it,i'm either on or off and there isn't a problem.
But what interests me is the 'Old dog new tricks' syndrome,I'd been riding carbed bikes for 30 years before I made the change,how old are you :D
I passed my bike test in 1979... :) had a break whilst I did cars but had carbed bikes for the last 20 years... :lol:
RF9 - doesnt feel any heavier, seems easier to push around and you can get full lock on the steeering as the master cyls dont hit the fairing like a steamer.. :)
Hey NeilD !! congrats :thumbsup
did it come with the panniers ? i see the brackets are there !!
keep the coolant between the Min and Max or it'll spit it out :lol:
keep the chain slack :shock: :roll:
and mind an always shut the bike off with the key ( not the kill switch )
now go have some fun :wink:
KK
yep its got panniers KK, just wont fit through the back gate or in the shed with 'em on.. :)
Quote from: "NeilD"I passed my bike test in 1979... :) had a break whilst I did cars but had carbed bikes for the last 20 years... :lol:
A mere sprog :D you were talking like your 80 :lol: ,you should adapt easy,just make sure the bike is set up right and get another to ride it as you said.,or better still have a ride down to Bixxer Bob(John).
As KK said check the chain,it looks way to tight to me.
Fixed the hunting with a bit of map play and made the performance alot better and smoother without the vibes of factory lean running. Now getting 48mpg (UK) at 100mph cruise one up no luggage!!
As others have said, the surging is caused by the map (air/fuel mixture). The good news is you don't have to fart around with jets, needles and slide cutaways - the bad(?) news is you need to attach a computer to it.
The standard Tiger map has a big weak hole in it around 2 - 3,500 rpm in order to meet emission regulations. You can see this using a tool like Tuneboy (quite expensive) or TuneECU (quite cheap).
There's loads of stuff here and on triumphrat.net about this issue but essentially at that rev range the engine is trying to run in "closed loop" mode and is monitoring the O2 sensor to decide whether the mixture is richer or weaker than its target, and continually trying to get it right.
My (somewhat earlier) 955i has a map which keeps the mixture richer in that range and also doesn't try to run in closed loop mode except at idle. Result: silky smooth from 2,000 (or even 1,500) rpm upwards even on constant throttle.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"....or have a ride down to Bixxer Bob(John)..
Just give me a ring, it's a nice ride down here from Lincolnshire, about 70 miles from Sleaford. My daughter lives in Navenby so I do the run quite often. You can give mine a go for a back-to-back comparison.
cheers BB, will most likely take you up on that offer however, its going back to the people I got it from on Wednesday as I got home on Saturday after a 200 mile run out and it dumped most of the coolant out of the resevoir...the gauge only got up to about halfway but the fan seemed to stay on for ages, and I'd only stopped and left it running whilst I opened the gate, probably about a minute.. :x yes probably 'rad cap' related reading through posts on here, but I currently dont have the room (or inclination!) to start pulling the thing to bits, so as it came with a warranty I'll give them the oportunity to try and sort it out first.. good job I hadnt actually booked to go anywhere on my week off..
Neil, my experience with the temp gauge is that in normal riding (not stop/start traffic), the needle barely clears the solid block at the bottom of the gauge. Same on both my wire-wheel Girly and 955i Speed Triple.
My Tiger once puked its coolant when I left it running for a while on the drive. I had to pull the tank to refill the system, got the air out and it's never done it again. Weird.
yep my Steamer was the same with the temp gauge.. not sure why it decided to puke it out at that point as I'd done some sitting in traffic and getting lost stuff earlier, and prior to getting home I'd had a good 70 miles cross country run pretty much without stopping... oh well we shall see what they do..
You said that the seat was in the high position. Are the seats adjustable on the late model girlies?
Err,,, Yup!!!
Thanks I am a brand new Tiger owner. I love the bike, just wish I know what was causing the stupid grinding sound when I use the clutch!!
Quote from: "drunk_uncle"Thanks I am a brand new Tiger owner. I love the bike, just wish I know what was causing the stupid grinding sound when I use the clutch!!
I think that removal of the clutch case may reveal some tired clutch bearings, only a guess as can't listen to it or look at the adjustment, but if it is noisy when the clutch lever is pulled then a good place to start!
So how are we getting on with the transition from carbs to injection :D
Only just noticed this thread. Glad to see you got a new bike Neil. Hope it's working out. Bound to be niggles with a new bike til you get used to it. Same whatever you get.
Oh and you'll have to change your avatar thingy now. That blue bike is in my garage! :lol:
well its affectionately now known as The Big Black B'stard, so maybe that gives you a clue.. :D Actually I've been out on it today and just ridden it and tried (quite succesfully) to ignore the hunting - its booked into my local Triumph Stealer on Monday for them to plug it in and see what map is loaded, and whether any other faults show up.. also got a rad cap on order..
Only thing I will have to watch out for is the 'on/off' nature of the throttle if I'm on a wet road...
Quote from: "NeilD"Only thing I will have to watch out for is the 'on/off' nature of the throttle if I'm on a wet road...
I used to have an 885i that I called Christine after the car...That was the one I hit a horse on last year so proved my point that it was possessed!!
Spent more time working on the thing than riding it!!
Slightly more serious though the hunting can be cured very easily, do you have an OBDII lead and a laptop? If you have you are quite welcome to try my map which has eliminated the surging and on-off throttle...Quite a few other miladies as well.
hi.. I dont have a laptop, hence why I'm giving it to the dealer to start off with and see what they come up with.. plan is to get a laptop in the pre/post christmas (oooh no, I said it!!) sales and at that point i'll get a cable and try your map. 8)
well, the BBB is overnighting at the local Triumph dealers, tomorrow they will spend another day I suspect scratching their heads trying to work out why the POS wont run properly..
they're happy with the 'map', appparently the fault is related to #1 cylinder, they think it might be the throttle body ? . they've checked all the valve clearences and they're ok, compression test was ok, they removed the scottoiler (as I requested) however some halfwit (at Laguna Ashford I believe) has removed the throttlebody and drilled n tapped a hole rather than use the correct T Piece..
anyway apparently #1 cyclinder is running lean, and the only way to get it rich enough is to adjust the t/body till its virtually full on and theres hardly any movement on the flap?? by the way this may or may not be what he said, so dont shoot huim down too quickly!
anyway I've got to run the loan bike back in the morning so I'll try and and get an update.. feckin thing!
Did you buy it private or from the dealer were the bike is.
bought from another (non triumph) dealer... it went back to him initially and was returned with the 'they all do that' line after it had been on a dyno (apparently).. which is why I've now taken it to a Triumph place for some proper fault finding which I can go back to him with...
Quote from: "NeilD"bought from another (non triumph) dealer... it went back to him initially and was returned with the 'they all do that' line after it had been on a dyno (apparently).. which is why I've now taken it to a Triumph place for some proper fault finding which I can go back to him with...
What a bugger,because mine has been a gem over the years,with every chance it'll get wheeled out the garage to go to Le-Mans on thursday even though the forecast is good and I should take something else. :roll:
had to take the Tiger 800 loan bike back today (booo!) and it was replaced by a Y*m*h* FZ600 Divi.. anyway, moving swiftly along :) todays update..
they tried a set of throttle bodies on which they had at the back of a cupboard , and they can now balance the throttle bodies :)
however still got the rough running at steady throttle.. they removed the injectors and one of those was described as 'furry' so their plan for tomorrow is to fit a decent 2nd hand one along with a set of 2nd hand throttle bodies which they've sourced, and see if that cures all its ills..
but at least the coolant has been bled and a new rad cap fitted, which has sorted the water problem.. :)
All I can say is stick with it,when I had my new 885i in 99 within a week they wanted it back,the panic phone call said 'stop using it' why's that I ask all the internal bolts have been plated with the wrong stuff and their flaking and blocking the oil ways,this is 2 days from me(us) going to Le-Mans,then the headgasket went and so did mine!! :roll: ,and I had another one(new bike thats is),but hardly a great start to my reintroduction to Triumph after 30 years but it came good in the end with the 955.
todays update - still broken :?
just spoke to the tech working it and he's at a bit of a loss .. still on a steady throttle at all revs its hunting/running lean..
Hmmm.
Has he access to a spare ECU? Worth a try as it fixed Hockley Boy's (at least I thinkit was him, it was a while ago).
Lean at all revs suggests either the O2 sensor is u/s or the ECU thinks there's less air than there actually is thus leaning the mix, which would point to either the air temp sensor u/s or the baro sensor pipe blocked and the reading being stuck at a low pressure. Temp sensors are also used in the calculation.
The Triumph gameboy would ident any u/s sensors immediately in skilled hands which is why I asked about the spare ECU. (I have one by the way....)
Has he tried adjusting the long term trim to richen the mix?
If he dismisses these suggestions it would be useful to know why :wink:
yesterday they tried another ECU, and injector with no real success, even with the TOR map (on standard silencer) its doing the same, although a slight improvemnt - I had noticed it was better when riding it from cold and 'the choke' was still on.. :)
they've tried it with the O2 (lamda?) sensor disconected - should that then take the O2 sensor out of the loop and the ECU then ignores it like it does at higher throttle settings, and so richen it up?
I confirmed that they'd gone through all the hoses..
if no success today then I'll tell them to put it back together and I'll start talking to the original supplier of the bike, and they can have it back..
None of that sounds really reassuring....
OK so I'm on the other side of the world and it's ohh soo easy to be an armchair critic.....but....
Their whole fault finding technique sounds random as described. If the map is standard, they should be checking the sensors, if they have the correct test kit they can tell if the sensors are giving the right information and working correctly. If that all checks out then maybe change the ECU.... but, if 1 is running funny and 1 has had a scott-oiler fitted and it's modded, umm, where would you start the process??
it lives!!! :D
picked it up today and its great.. :D
The dealer who was working on it doesnt really know what was wrong with it... eventually they even downloaded diagnostic stuff and went through it with the factory blokes, who again couldnt say what was actually 'wrong' but suggested a change of spark plugs and then set everything up again - this seemes to have done the trick.. 8)
they did change the throttle bodies for a set of 2nd hand ones, as for some reason the only way to get #1 in balance was to adjust it so far that it then stuck slightly on opening? maybe damaged when taken off to drill n tap the scotoiler take-off ??
Glad to hear you got it sorted, now you can enjoy it.
and now with added Hugger.. :D
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although was suprised how much crap eneded up outside of the hugger afte riding through a watersplash of only 6 or 7 inches deep..
also relocated the tax disc..
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replaced the broken tailight mounts, removed the topbox mount, adjusted the handlebars (tilted them more upright), and then went for a ride with the seat in the lowest position.. think I still need to play with the combination of bar and seat position, as I couldnt get really comfy.. after I did 150 miles yesterday I woke up with a really bad backache this morning, could hardly move. not sure if thats a coincidence or not, we shall see what tomorrow brings!
had a bit of a 'farkle/de-farkle' today..
fitted mirror extenders - can now see behind me without having to move elbows, although slight blur at speed which wasnt there before but extra vision overrides that..
2 x relays and 2 x Osram Nightbreaker bulbs fitted - now have both lights on but will have to wait till its dark to see how well it works - I've got the same bulb in my TBS so hopefully will improve things.
MRA Vario screen - fitted and went for a ride. tried the movable bit in varuious positions but have swapped back to the Triumph 'tall' screen as I find that slightly more comfy... guess its just what suits your size/shape/seat position/helmet...
I (we) do most of our riding two up the Tiger,now it may be the aerodynamics of that but the find the stock screen perfect even when doing a 1000 mile day,but still chuckle when I saw my first photo of a tiger with a bloody big screen on, one of those Palmer things,was that taken aback first thing I did was check the date to make sure it wasn't april 1st thought was a spoof :shock:
Quote from: "Chris Canning"it may be the aerodynamics of that but the find the stock screen perfect even when doing a 1000 mile day
I find the standard screen prevents windblast, but the buffeting at autoroute/motorway speeds really pisses me off. It's so bad, it affects my vision as my head is rocked around. It's only a small amount of movement, but the frequency completely fooks it for me. The Triumph (OK, Jack Lilley) high screen I have reduces the wind blast even more, but the side to side buffeting is even worse, so it languishes in my garage.
A 1000 mile day using the standard screen? Respect!! Or perhaps you're crazy?
Long distance stuff is all it ever gets used for,as I've seen no prospect of a replacement on the horizon so it gets used sparingly,apart from the odd fly drive to a GP,all out holidays are on a bike and have been for the last 30 odd years so like the other week left it in the garage and went on something else,and within 5 miles of leaving the house thought bugger should have gone on the tiger.
But we've cruised it flat out with over 135 on the clock and on the 1000 miler(and god knows how many 5/6/700 milers) ran between 100/110 all day just cruised along and looked at the view,and hence with the 17" front wheel and all the other bells and whistles it'll scratch like a minimoto even two up and fully loaded on a French B road,my only complaint!! I got sucked into the gel seat frenzy a few years ago :oops: :evil: ,bought/ used/sold all in around sixweeks,you live and learn :oops: :oops:
It'll be interesting to see what this new 1200 is like,cuz I've got a gut feeling this 955 of ours may have to go a few more years yet.
Oh I forgot,have always worn an Arai RX7/Corsair/GP and so has my other half.
As a side note,maybe it's having a big tank that makes the bike so aero dynamic as there no chance of wind swirling behind the screen ?
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"Hey NeilD !! congrats :thumbsup
did it come with the panniers ? i see the brackets are there !!
keep the coolant between the Min and Max or it'll spit it out :lol:
keep the chain slack :shock: :roll:
and mind an always shut the bike off with the key ( not the kill switch )
now go have some fun :wink:
KK
WHY shut it off with the key VS the kill switch? I really don't know....
THANKS!
BTW... SWEET BIKE!
Tom
Quote from: "Tom Krein"Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"Hey NeilD !! congrats :thumbsup
did it come with the panniers ? i see the brackets are there !!
keep the coolant between the Min and Max or it'll spit it out :lol:
keep the chain slack :shock: :roll:
and mind an always shut the bike off with the key ( not the kill switch )
now go have some fun :wink:
KK
WHY shut it off with the key VS the kill switch? I really don't know....
THANKS!
BTW... SWEET BIKE!
Tom
Hey Tom !! as far as i know, the kill switch is like shuttin yer computer off at the plug instead of the right way !! the ECU saves data when ya use the key :? just what i've heard :wink:
KK
Are you sure about that Kenny??
Try switching it off with the key and listen for the click a couple of seconds later as the ECU opens the relay that switches off it's power when it's done.
Now stop it with the kill switch. Notice the couple of seconds pause, then click??
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Are you sure about that Kenny??
Nope !! :shock: :? :lol:
as its the only book i have, i got it from there :)
TO STOP THE ENGINE
Close the throttle completely.
Select neutral.
Turn the ignition switch to the 'off' position.
Support the motorcycle on a firm, level surface with the side stand.
Lock the steering.
CAUTION: The engine should
normally be stopped by
turning the ignition switch off. The
engine stop switch is for emergency
use only.
copy n paste :wink:
KK
OK, got the book out and it seems my memory is failing me (no big surprise). The writer is correct, if you use the kill switch you don't isolate everything as you do using the key and ign switch. The kill switch isolates the power to the fuel pump, ign circuit and dash, but doesn't kill power to the ECU. HOWEVER, using the kill switch doesn't - as is popularly thought - kill power to the ECU thus stopping it saving the trims. Unless you disconnect the battery while the bike is running (DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME) the ECU will always keep itself powered up until it's saved everything. (I knew I was right about that bit).
Interestingly, if your battery is duff or your charging circuit is U/S that could effect their being enough power to save everything properly though....
its Gone!!!!
well the more I rode it after the work done on it, the better it got.. however, I really wanted something a bit lighter and managable as most of my riding is done on backroads and B roads... so P/X'd it today for an 800 'roadie' :shock: :) thanks everyone for your words of wisdom...
Quote from: "NeilD"its Gone!!!!
well the more I rode it after the work done on it, the better it got.. however, I really wanted something a bit lighter and managable as most of my riding is done on backroads and B roads... so P/X'd it today for an 800 'roadie' :shock: :) thanks everyone for your words of wisdom...
Hence why most of the miles I ride in the UK are on an XT660X.