Hi all.. New Tiger owner here...
Just bought one of these yesterday.. 02 model with 44,000 miles.
It was lovely on the test ride....
But !!!! On the 100 mile ride home a few things became apparent.
1) Rattling/clicking from the top end. So loud I could hear it over the also dreadful wind blast. At 44,000 miles, I'm going to do the valve clearances and see if that's the issue. I've also heard that the header pipes can cause this noise through bad sealing. Ideas ??
2) Surging... This pussy cat is a PIG under 3000rpm. Horrible in slow moving traffic. Combined with a stiff clutch, it's not much fun.
I've heard about getting a different engine map and also you can get an O2 sensor eliminator which can also fix it. Any experiences ??
3) Really stiff clutch.... The lever is badly positioned and my fingers were ACHING after a couple of hours. I hear the adjustable lever of the 595 fits on and helps. Cable looks new and moves freely.
4) Windblast.. I heard it was bad but OH MY GOD !! How did this bike make it through quality control. My head was about to fall off when I got home. I couldn't hear for hours.. Terrible...
What's the best replacement screen.. Those MRA Varios are WAY EXPENSIVE
Any cheaper options ?? I'm 6' tall.
Apart from that I was very impressed. It it a lovely bike to ride in the bends (once you get used to the top heavy 'fall into the corner' feeling)
Loads of power and really smooth on the motorway. I really like the seating position, the brakes are really strong and the suspension on mine was nice and firm (I think someone has fettled in the past).
I can't wait to give it a proper beasting
Welcome to the world of tigger ownership ...........
some of your questions can be answered from the links here
http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,5025 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,5025)
the rattling is ?????
I'd check the cam chain tensioner though with 40,xxx miles
could be sloppy clearances on valves
won't know till you start looking into it
could be anything causing it
the wind blast can sometimes be as simple as moving the mirrors out away from the fairing with mirror extenders . try taking the mirrors off and go for a ride and see if the noise is reduced .
everyone always searches for the holy grail of the windshield , some find nirvana some never do .
palmers are supposed to be good but if you think a vario is expensive then the palmer is not for you .
Quote from: "Mustang"Welcome to the world of tigger ownership ...........
some of your questions can be answered from the links here
http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,5025 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,5025)
the rattling is ?????
I'd check the cam chain tensioner though with 40,xxx miles
could be sloppy clearances on valves
won't know till you start looking into it
could be anything causing it
the wind blast can sometimes be as simple as moving the mirrors out away from the fairing with mirror extenders . try taking the mirrors off and go for a ride and see if the noise is reduced .
everyone always searches for the holy grail of the windshield , some find nirvana some never do .
palmers are supposed to be good but if you think a vario is expensive then the palmer is not for you .
Cheers mate !!
I've got mirror extenders already.. I'll keep my eyes on Ebay for a screen. Until then it's super fat ear plugs and ill have to remove the peak off my helmet..
Yup, as you say.. I'm going to dig into the top end as soon as I finish working on my other projects..
Too many projects, so little time... lol
IACV and associated air tubes are key to solving the rough running, loads been written, look here for starters.....
http://tigertriple.com/forum/viewtopic. ... light=iacv (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,10583&highlight=iacv)
:wink:
In terms of screen and windblast, you ain't gonna be getting anything cheap mate.
The MRA Vario is known everywhere for not working at all. The standard Triumph screen is crap. The triumph tall screen is crap.
The Cee Baileys is supposed to be good, but will cost you £200 to get over here.
The Palmer Products screen is british made, looks the dogs bollocks, is fully adjustable and has 3 different screen sizes. Again, its £200. But it bloody well works a treat!!
So, i'd either look at getting rid of the tigger, or spending £200 on a palmer. I tried to just make do with the stock screen, and I tell ya, its just not worth the hassle and long term neck pain!!
The mechanical stuff, I can't help with xD
At a guess I'd say he's a Brit :?
Quote from: "BigDan"The triumph tall screen is crap.
Personally, I get on alright with the Triumph tall screen and have done some very long days without problems.
On the Tiger, screens are an individual thing and only trial and error (sometimes costly) will find out what works for you.
If you tel us where you are, you will have a better chance of getting some local assistance and comparisons with the screen issue. Put something in your profile, and welcome by the way 8)
Quote from: "BigDan"The MRA Vario is known everywhere for not working at all. The standard Triumph screen is crap.
Well it works for me, especially after making a taller aerofoil. Not perfect but much better.
But you won't find 2 people on this (or any other) forum agreeing about screens.
WRT surging, although I have great respect for BixxerBob, the solution to mine was a modified map. You do need Tuneboy or TuneECU - but as these are so useful I'd get one or the other as a matter of course.
I found an easy fix for the stiff clutch. Reroute you cable to the right side of the engine and carefully take the sharp bend out of the lower part of the cable housing. That is the steel tube I am referring to.
This made a huge difference in the required pull at the lever.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"At a guess I'd say he's a Brit :?
Yup... From the Wirral :)
Quote from: "iansoady"Quote from: "BigDan"The MRA Vario is known everywhere for not working at all. The standard Triumph screen is crap.
WRT surging, although I have great respect for BixxerBob, the solution to mine was a modified map. You do need Tuneboy or TuneECU - but as these are so useful I'd get one or the other as a matter of course.
Had a google.....
Looks like tuneboy costs $500 for a kit ???
Tune ECU is free and just needs this cable....
http://www.lonelec.co.uk/index.php?main ... ucts_id=32 (http://www.lonelec.co.uk/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1_7&products_id=32)
I just found it half the price on ebay though...
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-DDT20 ... 038wt_1303 (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Renault-DDT2000-TuneECU-KKL-USB-Cable-Lead-PC-006-/320678573994?pt=UK_Diagnostic_Tools_Equipment&hash=item4aa9eeb7aa#ht_3038wt_1303)
I've downloaded all the software and maps. I'm not sure which map is mine though. I can't make sense of the VIN number ranges !!
My Vin ends in 2160292
Well no we know were you are it's a start when it comes to input!!.
1.If the motor is noisey get it shimmed,if you take it to a dealer make sure it's an old established one so they know what they are doing.
2.The surging while considered the norm there are guys on here who have tinkered with the engine tune to get rid of that,do a search there's war and piece on here about it,I've found every fuel injected bike I've ridden is poor when filtering I've learning to be either on or off the throttle to avoid such.
3. Stiff clutch,yea mine is the same,it's becuase I'm not match fit,when I am I don't notice it,found the trick is to ride the bike more.
4.Windblast!! I'm one of the lucky ones absolutely love the stock screen while out yesterday cruising along at a steady 110 it did occur to me the postings on here about how bad it is :roll: ,there are a number of variations just make some allowance if you ever intend riding in southern europe don't get get stuck behind one of those barn doors you'll be crying for yer mom :D
Forgot!!,after you have the motor set up as you want,try the 02 plug,if you are lucky the early 955's have the connector at the back of the motor takes 5 seconds to fit,the later bikes it's a tank off job,I tried one didn't like it,made the motor too flat.
You're not too far away from me Ted, I live in Manchester near the trafford centre. If you want to come and have a look at the Palmer screen I have you are more than welcome too :)
Quote from: "BigDan"You're not too far away from me Ted, I live in Manchester near the trafford centre. If you want to come and have a look at the Palmer screen I have you are more than welcome too :)
Cheers mate... Appreciated.
However, I'm never going to spend that much on a screen for a ten year old bike. I've made screens in the past for overland bikes.
£5 quid gets you a big piece of perspex. A heat gun and a lot of swearing gets you a nice extension. Otherwise, I'll just keep my eye on EBay :wink:
Top jobs are giving this old girl a full service (with valves) and sorting out the surging using Tune Ecu *gulp*
Quote from: "iansoady"WRT surging, although I have great respect for BixxerBob, the solution to mine was a modified map. You do need Tuneboy or TuneECU - but as these are so useful I'd get one or the other as a matter of course.
Thanks for the vote of confidence Ian, and of course you are right that a custom map can help enormously, and it's worth blowing in whatever is the right map for the bike in case it's corrupt because that is a quick and easy fix. But it won't fix it if you don't have the basics right. (BTW, for the benefit of new readers, a corrupt map is often caused by a low battery voltage. These Sagem ECUs hate low volts).
The basics are: valve clearances, air leaks, TB balance, new plugs and air filter, IACV working correctly. Once you are sure they are ALL right, then you can start on the custom maps :wink:
And when is Mustang going to put this in the Girly section? :D
Quote from: "tedmagnum"Top jobs are giving this old girl a full service (with valves) and sorting out the surging using Tune Ecu *gulp*
Have modified a map that will transform the way your bike runs in traffic and still return 50mpg (uk) at 90mph (with the 19t sprocket).
Pm your email if interested.
Quote from: "metalguru"Quote from: "tedmagnum"Top jobs are giving this old girl a full service (with valves) and sorting out the surging using Tune Ecu *gulp*
Have modified a map that will transform the way your bike runs in traffic and still return 50mpg (uk) at 90mph (with the 19t sprocket).
Pm your email if interested.
PM sent...
:D
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"And when is Mustang going to put this in the Girly section? :D
happy now?
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"The basics are: valve clearances, air leaks, TB balance, new plugs and air filter, IACV working correctly. Once you are sure they are ALL right, then you can start on the custom maps :wink:
:iagree
All these checks must be done before any re-mapping taking place.
2 mins difference on that one BB.
Great minds think alike.......or is it the one about seldom differ? :ImaPoser
What we need is a re-mapping weekend :D ,never mind camping in a field talking b*****ks,although the way mine has changed since I had it put in a year ago is remarkable.
OOOOEEEEERRRRRR
I can see an oppertunity to earn some free beer.
Anyone for a remap after the third beer?
Back to talking b*****ks in a field. :occasion14
:ImaPoser
Quote from: "tedmagnum"...................I've downloaded all the software and maps. I'm not sure which map is mine though. I can't make sense of the VIN number ranges !!
My Vin ends in 2160292
Ref Your vin no, its the last 6 numbers so 160292, the 2 before it is model year, 02 in your case.
When I had a new map put in the end of 010 my seat of the bum dyno said it was making at least another 5+hp and it was as crisp as a pin picked up off the throttle like never before and if I'd have had to go a distance on it,it would driven me nuts with vibration,the crisp edge has dropped off and so has the vibes,so it'll do :D
Quote from: "Chris Canning"When I had a new map put in the end of 010 my seat of the bum dyno said it was making at least another 5+hp and it was as crisp as a pin picked up off the throttle like never before and if I'd have had to go a distance on it,it would driven me nuts with vibration,the crisp edge has dropped off and so has the vibes,so it'll do :D
Like us these bikes are individuals so one map may suit one but not another, same as tuning carbs in the old days, the settings would be different for each bike even if the same model.
The vibes are the give away there Chris, in the carb days it would have been the needle profile and now it's numbers in boxes........
Now then if someone has a mobile rolling road, lappy and a nice pub we certainly could cause some entertainment.
Could imagine the HP claims after a few beers......bit like the big fish that got away.
:ImaPoser
What I was pointing out there's no such thing as a free lunch and while mine felt really good riding round the block,long distance was a no go'er,as far as low down is concerned is concerned it's only a problem if I want to make it one,just ride it either on or off the throttle and it's fine,it's like the stodgy front end,keep braking sharp with just the front brakes it's a ball ache,dab the back one first and it solves the problem,cat and skin are the words :D
Of course 15wt and springs also solve the problem :roll:
Just a thought regarding that surging. Are you sure you will be keeping the pipe / can. Mine (03) was a pig around town & had a terrible idle. I did check the standard things that BB had suggested, and it improved the idle but not the surging, but then got a new can & the re-map that went with that particular can. Now it goes just like it should. Be a bugger to get it right, then change cans & be back to problems again.
@Ironhorse
QuoteReroute you cable to the right side of the engine and carefully take the sharp bend out of the lower part of the cable housing. That is the steel tube I am referring to.
This made a huge difference in the required pull at the lever.
Could you possibly post a picture?
Quote from: "Marc"@Ironhorse
QuoteReroute you cable to the right side of the engine and carefully take the sharp bend out of the lower part of the cable housing. That is the steel tube I am referring to.
This made a huge difference in the required pull at the lever.
Could you possibly post a picture?
Yeah, the 45 degree angle does look a little unnecessary. One for the vice I think...
Anyone tried the 595 clutch lever ?? Apparently it fits and it has an adjuster wheel so you can bring it closer to the bar...
I've also found on other bikes that moving the brake lever along a little so you use the end of the lever rather than the middle will make it easier as it is effect, making the lever longer...
Quote from: "tedmagnum"Anyone tried the 595 clutch lever ?? Apparently it fits and it has an adjuster wheel so you can bring it closer to the bar...
I've never heard of that one before. These bikes do have a heavy clutch pull as standard. What I have heard and do know for sure is that the lever/spindle/lifter sticking out the top of the clutch housing changed on the 06 model which has the 1050 crank cases and has a longer lever on that, so the pull at the top end is reduced. All the bits needed to swap that comes to around £75. First thing to try though, is to get some lube down the cable.
I repeat, I have had good results by rerouting the cable to the right side of the motor and straightening the 90 degree bend in the solid housing at the motor. Very easy pull now.
Hey, Ted.
Here is a great buffeting thread and specifically,
check out Rooster's post on page 6.
http://www.triumphrat.net/tiger-chat/81 ... -much.html (http://www.triumphrat.net/tiger-chat/81488-kill-the-buffeting-how-whom-how-much.html)
Lifting the screen off of the fairing made a HUGE difference for me.
Then, I fabricated/mounted an additional mra vario type screen from cutting down the stock screen and mounting it to the top of my cee baileys screen. The reason I did this was the top of the cee baileys was just below my chin while in the riding position, (too low according to the thread above). My fabricated vario brought the top of my screen to the mustache/tip of my nose area which gave me another huge leap towards cancelling the buffeting. My fabbed vario looks similar to Tiger-G's on page 7 in thread above.
I'm fierce close to eliminating the buffeting at this point. Next will be some winglets mounted to the fairing left and right made from the outer metal cover of an old/defunct vcr player. I'm designing some similar to blacktiger's. Just noticed his photos have been removed from the thread?? Bummer....they are sweet. This apparently helps to direct the air flow out and around your shoulders a bit more. Again, keeping the winglets lifted off of the fairing about 3/4" or so will make them much more effective by reducing the low pressure area behind effect.
Good luck to you and enjoy.
Chuck