after findin out what the clonkin was on the front of me tiger i got new head bearings for it. not genuine ones but the triumph parts list kindly gave the sizes for em so i could get em from a local place.
bearings got n fitted in but i still cant seem to adjust the play out of em. at the moment im not with the bike im still in denmark but im goin back monday night to england so tues ill be tryin t sort it out. the dust seals have been fitted back and the bearings have all been seated properly but there still loose. any ideas why ?
the only thing I can see in the part fiche is :
do you have the right nut adjuster assembly for the bearings you are using
QuoteADJUSTER NUT ASSY, LOWER
SERIAL NUMBER 43811 AND HIGHER - LOWER
1390125 $17.60
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ADJUSTER NUT, LOWER
SERIAL NUMBER 43810 AND BELOW - LOWER
1379228 $4.10
i think so mustang. im usin the same one that came off the bike when i stripped it. according to worldoftriumph parts list they both use the same nuts for the top of the stem. ill have a better look tuesday when im there and see what i can see. bloody confusin tho as to why its the way it is ?
I'm going to ask a dumb question here.... are you absolutely sure its the head clunking and not the shocks when they dive? Not on the tiger, but on another damper rod model, I had too much oil in. Gave similar characteristics to your original description due to air locks / bubbles whatever by overfilling.
.... just to lead you down the garden path a bit. Easy enough to check and discount without stripping tho.
Similarly, low on oil and .......
Rybes, i read on the Rat site about some after market bearings being a little smaller than the originals.
I think the bearing numbers were the same, but one of the letters on the bearing was different.
Have you still got the old bearings to compare numbers?
I take it your still using the original wheels and forks?
cheers rf ill have a good look at it tommorw and have a measure up.
does anyone know what no.3 is on this pic
http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triumph_m ... k_03=23773 (http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triumph_motorcycle_parts_locator.php?block_01=&block_02=304238&block_03=23773)
i dont remember seein one on my bike and im wonderin if that could be the problem ?
It tells you below the diagram Rybes.
yeah i see that bruken. i was jus wonderin what it does as i dont remember seein it when i took mine apart. so i jus wondered if anyone else has seen one on their bike ?
Quote from: "rybes"cheers rf ill have a good look at it tommorw and have a measure up.
does anyone know what no.3 is on this pic
http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triumph_m ... k_03=23773 (http://www.worldoftriumph.com/triumph_motorcycle_parts_locator.php?block_01=&block_02=304238&block_03=23773)
i dont remember seein one on my bike and im wonderin if that could be the problem ?
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if your using a tapered top bearing it's the cup for the bearing race , if it's missing it's why you can't set preload on the headstock bearings
the silver thing in this photo is #3 you need it if your using tapered top bearings
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cheers mustang. im wonderin then if the powder coaters took it out when they done the frame but never put it back. poxy jubilee this weekedn i cant get one now till weds :x still at least i can get it all pulled apart ready for it. just a pain in the arse cos i gotta knock out the top bearing now and it was a nightmare to get out. :evil:
if ya scroll down the thread to pic 387 would you say that thin line close to the top is that bearing cup or is it on the headstock ?
http://tigertriple.com/forum/viewtopic. ... c&start=20 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,7427&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=20)
havnt looked at mine yet probly do it later on today
looks like the bearing cup to me
never got round to lookin at it today. me heads still fuzzy from travellin yesterday. so if that thing is the bearnig cup i wonder what the problem could be ? do you think i could get away with puttin a big washer between the bearing and bottom nut ?
a spacer that will only push on the center race of the bearing would work ...........but why should you have to ? , somethings amiss I fear.
The only thing I can think of is :
Has the stem in the lower clamp somehow pulled out , that would make it so you can't tighten the nut for preload on the bearings .
They are welded in pretty good though .
hmmmmm this sounds like its goin to be fun. roll on tmora when i can get at it
If you look at pic no 386 in that thread, looks to me like the bearing cup is missing?
Shame i`m off to Gran Canaria on Thursday else i`d have a ride over mate.
i got given the number of a bloke breakin a steamer so im gunna give him a ring later tday and see if he has a bearin cup. i see what ya mean rf i can see it could be missin. im off in the garage later to see. ill post some pics of it too
Quote from: "rybes"just a pain in the arse cos i gotta knock out the top bearing now and it was a nightmare to get out. :evil:
Just read this bit again.
The top bearing should just sit in the cup, you shouldn`t have had to knock it in or bang it out, it should just lift out mate.
Sounds like the cup was missing and the bearing has been knocked into the frame with no cup, unless the cup has been knocked out and not been put back in.
ah righto nice one mate. im now off out to have a look at it. so hopefully thats what it is and hopefully i can get 1 today
right. heres a pic of the top of me headstock minus the bearin. has it got a bearin cup in it ? i dont think that its the ring you can see as ive tried knockin it out and it wont move. my guess is im missin mine but as i dont remember seein one i dunno what they look like.
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Your cup is missing mate.
I`m sure i`ve got a pic of one somewhere, give me a minute :)
Here you go mate
http://www.imcomarine.com/cal_store/med ... 0-2040.jpg (http://www.imcomarine.com/cal_store/media/catalog/product/cache/1/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/b/e/bearing-cup-10-2040.jpg)
You knock this into the headstock, then the taper bearing just sits in it.
It usually comes as part of the kit when you buy new taper head bearings.
look's like mystery solved ...................
yea i got that bit. they always come with the bearin as a pair or is that another part that just happens to look the same ? id just knocked it out so i could take a pic of the headstock without anythin in there.
this is a pic of my head bearings. the piece on the left is the bit id already taken out. that looks like the pic you posted rf
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did you test against my earlier post?
sorry mate i never saw that post before. no i dont think its the forks as when i replaced the bearings it got a little bit worse. when ive pulled the forks to check for any loosness ive always grabbed it by the stanchions not the fork bottoms. still i got another pair of forks i can put in and try. wont hurt to try i suppose
where are you? I could pop over for a look. You have my number :wink:
Well...... we got to the bottom of it, so to speak. The bearings were pulling into the taper cups ok but that wasn't the cause, new top bearing is a poor fit on the stem - probably 2 thou of play but enough to clonk when all done up. Cleaned and lubricated the old roller cage and fitted it. Still a gnats in it, maybe 1/2 thou but has all but cured the problem. Only a tiny tiny bit of movement now.
cheers for ya help today bob :D glad we got it sorted. idve never thought about usin the old bearin. thanks again. 8)
No worries! :wink:
well, looks like the head bearins have gone again :cry:
has anyone had any joy from usin non oe parts ? if ya have what were they n where did ya get em from ? dont fancy payin 50 quid for a set of bearins, altho if i had have done at the start :roll: id like this next lot to fit and not have a small bit of movement on the shaft. cant be changin head bearins every 8 weeks :x
cheers all
Can't remember, did you have another stem? I suspect its stem wear rather than the bearings. Would need some very good bore mics to measure them up :roll:
whats a bore mic ?
i think ive got a daytona bottom yoke. might try a bearin on that and see how that feels.
i was thinkin of gettin the stem turned down slightly then in the future if a bearins slightly wrong all i need is to get the appropriate spacer turned up. thats if i can find someone who can turn the stem down while its still in the yoke.
Bore mic - micrometer for measuring bores or holes.
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BOWERS-8-9-BO ... 2eb72020ab (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BOWERS-8-9-BORE-MICROMETER-/200640831659?pt=UK_Measuring_Tools_Levels&hash=item2eb72020ab)
Simpler would be mic up the stem and see how much too small it is. Turning isn't going to work because the type of fit required means it needs to be ground. It's not possible to turn that sort of accuracy on a lathe.
You could take the stem to a bearing supplier for a try-before-you-buy session :lol:
You sure you got the right bearings for the top?
You want the bearing for the model of top yoke, not the Steamer.
Although you probably know this, just checking? :lol:
Did a little checking, bottom bearings are same size for most T3 bikes, but the top bearing has a difference on a couple of bikes of 2mm, some have internal measurement of 15mm, others have 17mm, could this be the problem?
What yokes have you got Rybes? And are you positive you have the right top bearing?
Just had a look online to see what bike your top yoke was off, couldn`t find a match?
problem is with the bottom bearing if I remember rightly
nah, its the top bearin bob. RF, there early speed triple yokes mate. might have t go lookin and find out what i can maybe ive just bought the wrong bearin :oops:
just been on world of triumph site n aparantly the early speed triple and tiger share the same top bearin sizes. hopefully tday should be bike maintenace day. (providin i dont go use this sun while its out :lol:) so ill take things apart later n have a look. altho im thinkin of jus goin f a ride its so nice out tday
Well, it can only be one of two things, worn stem or wrong bearing, though i`ve never come across a worn stem.
If the new bearing was too loose, and the old bearing a better fit, points to wrong new bearing in my opinion.
The old bearing was better but not perfect, so some stem wear is evident. The new bearing has more play, but not enough to be the wrong size, so my thinking was that the bearing is out of tolerance hence I'd mic it up if I had the gear because, although not ruling it out, I've never come across that before.
The old bearing was better but not perfect, so some stem wear is evident. The new bearing has more play, but not enough to be the wrong size, so my thinking was that the bearing is out of tolerance hence I'd mic it up if I had the gear because, although not ruling it out, I've never come across that before.
its all gotta come apart tmora. needed to take the bolt out to get the length of it from me timin chain adjuster n the timin marks moved. so why its apart i think ill take the stem to the bearin shop n see what we can find in his shop. good finkin Bob 8)
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evenin. this is gettin daft now. replaced another set of bearins today and it still wont adjust all the slop out. :pottytrain2
ive got 3 differnt stems downstairs and 2 differnt top bearins and ive tried all 3 in the frame with each of the bearins and there all the same. theres just a tiny bit of slop unless i tighten the bearins up to a point where its a struggle to turn the forks. if i back it off jus enough to make the front end move easy the slops back. WTF ?? surely out of 3 diffetrnt stems n 2 differnt bearins id find one which worked. ive got the tiger one, a sprint one and a speed triple one. all behave exactly the same way. which to me rules out wear on the shaft cos i cant see all 3 wearin exactly the same.
whats the differnce between roller and taper bearins ? i got a roller bearin with the kit i bought. im thinkin of tryin that.
RF, hows your head bearins, did you have this much greif ?
My bearings are fine mate, though i used the Legend TT top and bottom yokes.
Did you get new sets of bearings from the same supplier?
If the problem is with all 3 stems, it must be the bearings are wrong?
As you say, surely all 3 stems can`t be worn.
Other than that i don`t know mate.
They're likely as not from the same batch as RF says. Did you try taking the stem to the bearing shop?
Another thing, when you buy the bearings, are you asking for Tiger ones or asking for whatever bike the stem came off?
i forgot to take em to a bearin shop bob. i did have my micrometer on it and they all seem the same with no appreciable signs of wear.
this is the bearin kit i got for ut, seems to fit almost every triumph ever made rf. http://www.allballsracing.com/22-1053.html
yesty i wound it up till the bearin jus started to nip up and ive left it like that at the more. has a small clonk but not much. MOT today so ill let ya know if it was god enough or if im cryin cos it failed on em
Did it pass mate?
yes it did thanks :thumbsup and i got a compliment too. after all this greif ive had with the brakes and just how bad the lever feels. i got told its better than a lot of new bikes he has come in. 72% efficent apparantly. its funny, cos as soon as he told me that my brakes worked real well lol. so could it all have been in my head. :hat10
Result!
Anything said about the head bearings?
well, no. id tightened em up to take all the play out. made the steerin a bit stiff but not still enough to fail :hat10
loosened em off tday. have you ever ridden a bike with tight headbearins ? not recomended