I've got this problem with the way my 98 runs. I've been searching for the cause for the last year or so. I've done all I can think of and so far stymied.
Is there anyone within a couple hours of here that would consider loaning me their igniter box for a week or less? I'm at a dead end and the igniter is the last item I can think of. I don't want to buy one new because I'm not 100% sure that this is the problem and Triumph wants a metric f$ck-ton of money for a new one.
In the meantime I'll pull the carbs back off and see if there is something in there I missed the last three times I had them off. :BangHead
I just need to plug it in and try it. Anyone?
Can you be more specific about the problem?
It's a long, sad, mostly boring story.
Started missing following some valve re-shimming. Happens to random cylinders, throughout the rev range. Carbs off, disassembled four times (once I clean them once more), new plugs, new wires, new ignition trigger. Repaired dodgy connection in the sidestand circuit that made it about 50% better. Ran all the rest of the wiring down within the ignition circuit to the box. Found ground wire and two coil wires rubbing on a bracket near the igniter connector. No real damage there, but may have been getting some intermittant contact and grounding out one or more of the coils. Swapped out the coils with the original ones (I have Nology coils in there now). The problem is not with the same cylinder. The spark plugs look identical. So somehow the bike is dropping random cylinders on me making this really hard to chase.
Needless to say, I'm pretty frustrated and tired of taking this thing apart and putting it back together again without finally ending this. I think I need to try out an igniter. But I don't want to buy a new one just to find out the problem is elsewhere.
If you have any better ideas, I'm all ears at this point.
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Essentially this can't be anything other than the Igniter/ECU or something connected to it. If it is truly random in nature with respect to cylinder, revs, throttle, etc., there's no other answer that makes any sense at all. Were it my bike I'd just buy one.
I'm selling this bike. I don't want to spend $650 more bucks on it when I'm completely eating the cost of suspension upgrades/ cylinder head repair in the sell price. Especially when I'm not 100% certain it's the problem. I'm looking for a used igniter. There's one in the UK but it's from a Daytona. Love to try that one out!
So let's try this the other way...who would like to try my igniter box on their bike? I can mail it to you. You try it out. If the problem follows my unit, I know it's kacked.
I'm visiting the Bay Area in October for an extended weekend. If you are still trying to figure it out be then, I can possible pull mine and bring it.
Geof
PM'd you JetdocX
Quote from: JetdocX on August 27, 2012, 10:16:50 PM
So let's try this the other way...who would like to try my igniter box on their bike? I can mail it to you. You try it out. If the problem follows my unit, I know it's kacked.
send it , I'll try it in all four and see what it does ....................
two with nologys and one with Gills and one with pvl's
but have you ever checked the plug caps where the little spring is to clip on the threaded plug top .
When those go tits up it misfires pretty good ,
randomly.
I saw that thread, Mustang. New plug wires. Total waste of money. Mustang, I'd love to take you up on that. PM me your address. We'll see if anyone closer wants to take part in my experiment.
London_Phil, generous offer for sure, but I'd rather keep it in the country. Greedy customs officials, you know. If you find yourself in my neighborhood, I'll buy the suds.
Hey dude I'm pm'd you with my phn number and email
Sorry, Bob. Got called to LIT for work for the last two days.
If you're unsure about any of this I can ship it to Mustang. No problem as I'll be in Hawaii for a week starting Friday.
My magic box is headed to Chico. Thanks, Bob! :eusa_clap
So I think the problem is with the magic box. Anyone know which years and models of Triumph take this box?
I see Daytona igniters on Ebay, but I think the timing and rev limits are different.
Not absolutely certain; but I believe the '97-'98 Daytona and Speed Triple are injected as well, so the ECU box will definitely be different. Trophy is carb'd; but shares cams and ignition stuff with the Daytona/S3. You should confirm; but I think the other 'lower tune' triples should be the same (Trident, Thunderbird, Adventurer, etc.).
Quote from: FoothillRyder on September 09, 2012, 05:50:53 PM
Not absolutely certain; but I believe the '97-'98 Daytona and Speed Triple are injected as well, so the ECU box will definitely be different. Trophy is carb'd; but shares cams and ignition stuff with the Daytona/S3. You should confirm; but I think the other 'lower tune' triples should be the same (Trident, Thunderbird, Adventurer, etc.).
nope ...........only a tiger igniter from 1995-1998 is the same , the others will work but your engine will not have the same parameters anymore . It may or may not affect how the carb'd tigger runs.
IE timing ,rev limiter rpm , dwell ,advance curve etc .
get in touch with Ignitech , they are a Czech company .they have a replace ment for bikes that will prove to be a lot cheaper
there was talk before on t-rat of them providing replacement igniters for triumphs .
and on the upside I think they are programmable with software for engine parameter tweaking
http://www.ignitech.cz/english/aindex.htm
i think they might have one for a tigger.........................couple hundred vs. $750+ from triumph
this is on ebay.
http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_nkw=igniter&_sacat=10063&Model=Tiger&Part%2520Type=Electrical%2520Components&_dmpt=Motorcycles_Parts_Accessories&Make=Triumph&_odkw=&_osacat=10063&bkBtn=&_trksid=p4506.m270.l1313
HE'S seen it , too pricey for his liking
I no longer own this bike. It lives with it's new owner in the Chi-town area. Thanks all. :wave
Quote from: JetdocX on October 05, 2012, 09:01:21 PM
I no longer own this bike. It lives with it's new owner in the Chi-town area. Thanks all. :wave
WHAT????????? FREAKIN QUITTER :pottytrain2 p.m. sent.
Quote from: aeronca on October 13, 2012, 06:31:55 AM
Quote from: JetdocX on October 05, 2012, 09:01:21 PM
I no longer own this bike. It lives with it's new owner in the Chi-town area. Thanks all. :wave
WHAT????????? FREAKIN QUITTER :pottytrain2 p.m. sent.
rotflmao! :pottytrain2
I spoke to Gill (manufacturers) a while ago about my igniter. Seems Triumph dont allow them to test/repair them(I wonder why). Anyway,they told me the internals of the igniter very seldom go wrong,but to check outlet cables from box,thats where problems usually arise from.Said anyone with good electronic knowledge could probably check? Probably have to take top off. Worth a look?
Gill was feeding you a line of :Topes...............the igniters can and do fail , just like their pc of shit coils . I think Lucas must be part owner in the company :ImaPoser :ImaPoser
Maybe so. Why didnt Triumph use Jap electronics early on? They use Jap stuff with other parts?
One word: Price
Quote from: threepot on February 11, 2013, 05:01:58 PM
I spoke to Gill (manufacturers) a while ago about my igniter. Seems Triumph dont allow them to test/repair them(I wonder why). Anyway,they told me the internals of the igniter very seldom go wrong,but to check outlet cables from box,thats where problems usually arise from.Said anyone with good electronic knowledge could probably check? Probably have to take top off. Worth a look?
I did spend a long time with a multi-meter looking at other causes and fixed a few of what I thought could be potential problems. It came down to eliminating everything else but the box. I'm no quitter, but $800 for that? Fucking hell. For a bike that I didn't even like to ride anymore? Why?
Noticed you've been a lot quieter since you got your XC :thumbsup
The latest on the Tigger from Chi Town. Igniter was ok but the Side stand switch needed replacement along with the2 of the Carbs. Replaced all three she now runs like she should. Unfortunately I have to have a friend do the test riding as I have been in a cast since October last year. Looking forward to getting the old girl out next month when it comes off. I figured using the rear brake will do for physical therapy.
Just for the record..My Trident and Tiger ran ok with the Daytona 'Black Box,ECU. When I had the Trident,the ECU went faulty,bike would just cut out. It ran fine for a few months with the Daytona's. As Mustang said,the parameters are probably different,ie.. the Daytona's probably allows higher revs?