OK. Relax. Hears the Deal:
Ran great, loaded in a trailer, took it out of trailer, pushed start and nuthin??
I think I pulled a wire when strapping it down or unstrapping, but not sure the way they were to begin with??
I know, Tiger shouldnt be trailered. Tiger doesnt like to be strapped down. I get that. It was snowing and I had to go 1280 miles.
Noticed some wires coming from each grip and would like to know what does what:
1) The wire that goes under the throttle grip rubber and is sautered to a circuit board under the rubber is??
I am not original owner and there were some shitty blue wire connectors connecting the two little wires that come from each grip area.
One was definitely pulled apart. Another looked like a real clean cut so not sure if it was already disconnected?? It is one of the two that goes to throttle side.
What are they for, how do I fix and where do they go??
Link with pics?? Have the service manual and cant find anything helpfull in it??
Anybody??
Thanx. Joe Bates
those sound like heated grip wires which will have nothing to do with it.
Is the kill switch on ? that will make it do absolutely nothing when starter button is pressed
Ahhh. Yes. Heated grips. I didnt think of that becaus they didnt work when I picked up the bike and havent gotten around to fixing.
Well now I have No Idea??
The writing is rubbed off the kill switch and I have tried it in both positions. Is it up or down to start??
also look at the three wire connecter that is under the clutch lever. it is the wiring to the start interlock. if its loose, it won't start.
the kill switch is in run position when the bottom of rocker switch is in .
try pulling the clutch in when the kill switch is in run you should hear the starter spin
If the safety circuit relay is buggered it's the only way it will bypass it , by pulling the clutch in
If you think you pulled a wire, might be worth checking the fuses under the seat, you might have blown the main fuse if you`ve earthed a wire.
Quote from: rf9rider on November 05, 2012, 09:57:58 PM
If you think you pulled a wire, might be worth checking the fuses under the seat, you might have blown the main fuse if you`ve earthed a wire.
And how do you know this?
Fuses fine.
Wires under clutch look cool and plugged in.
Cant find any loose wires where I had the tie down straps running.
I think it is just coincidence??
When I turn on key, I get dash lights, but no turn signals, horn, hazard or headlight. Do those only kick on after it is running??
I bought this bike in San Diego this May and rode it to Ohio, not one issue, but I am not real familar with it for trouble shooting.
Ill try anything you got for me??
PS- The Triumph Shop Manual is SHIT.
not normal you should have everything with key on .
sounds to me like the key switch has gone south or the wire harness is fucked where it goes into key switch
It's a common triumph problem
try jerking the harness around and see if the dashboard comes alive
I get dash lights.
"When I turn on key, I get dash lights, but no turn signals, horn, hazard or headlight. Do those only kick on after it is running??"
No they should all work with the key on. Go with Mustang he KNOWS steamers, check the key barrel, pull the wires around if it all comes back you know where the problem is.
Thanks. Ill check again.
Would the side stand switch failure cause me to get NO headlights, turn signals, horn or hazards when key is on??
Quote from: Joe Bates on November 06, 2012, 08:04:59 PM
Thanks. Ill check again.
Would the side stand switch failure cause me to get NO headlights, turn signals, horn or hazards when key is on??
Only possibility would be if there was a dead short on something
on a 95 the headlights stay on even when spinning the starter , on a 98 the headlights switch off by the starter relay only when cranking the starter
the sidestand switch will prevent it from starting but not from spinning with the start button
the clutch switch will prevent it from spinning the starter and the kill switch acts the same as the clutch switch .
KEY ON EVERYTHING ELECTRICAL SHOULD BE ON .......HEAD LIGHTS , DASH LIGHTS , HORN , BLINKERS ,TAIL LIGHT
ALL SHOULD BE ON WITH KEY ONIN LOOKING AT THE WIRING SCHEMATIC THE ONLY THING COMMON TO YOUR FAULT IS THE (insert drum roll here ) THE KEY SWITCH.............................
sounds like you have a manual so get the wiring diagram out and get a voltage meter and start probing wires that come out of the key switch for voltage ..........odds are you are going to have a bad key switch where the solder contacts have fallen apart internally , or some broken wires inside the insulation where they go to or from the key switch .
IT"S A VERY COMMON ISSUE ON THE TIGERS
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on November 06, 2012, 03:21:49 AM
Quote from: rf9rider on November 05, 2012, 09:57:58 PM
If you think you pulled a wire, might be worth checking the fuses under the seat, you might have blown the main fuse if you`ve earthed a wire.
And how do you know this?
By past experiences :thumbsup
Thanx Mustang. Ill check it out and get back to you.
Any hints, links, pics or things to look out for when doing the ignition??
Shook and tested the wires around the key switch. Looked at all the wires. Non broke. Non rotted. Non disconnected. Dont know what ones are supposed to do what??
It was a Cali bike, a dry climate bike, its whole life and is very clean. All the wires going into the bottom of ignition are wound up tight and havent moved a millimeter. They are covered in a rubber sleeve and are no where near where my tie down straps ran.
Im stuck here with my ability. If its a bad key switch, how would I know?? I cant even get one. Can they be repaired??
The closest Triumph Shop, that works on anything older then year 2000, is 8hrs away.
Anybody know anybody with a computer to do diagnostic (I found that plug/wire) or ability to read a wire diagram in the South East Florida area?? Or riding thru?? Free room, board, steak, beers, hammock, ect.
Im a bit handicapped when it comes down to it. It took me 20min to write this post. Thanks
Joe, what year is the bike?
Do the dash lights dim when you press the starter?
noticed somthin similarish on mine a few days ago. when i turned on the lights, the dash lights came on like hids would. goin to take a look at it next week, ill let ya know if i find anythin.
with an offer that youve just put out its temptin to buy a plane ticket :hat10
just to let you know mine done this to me this afternoon. lights are always on on mine and it wouldnt turn over n start till i turned the lights off then all was ok. turned thelights back on and it still worked so try fiddlin with ya light switch. not sure how that affects the starter circuit but for some reason it seemed too.
USA models don't have a light switch ...............
Kill switch maybe?
Quote from: Joe Bates on November 05, 2012, 01:52:01 AM
OK. Relax. Hears the Deal:
I know, Tiger shouldnt be trailered. Tiger doesnt like to be strapped down.
(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt4/97tiger885/1109121840.jpg)
I strap mine in the back of my F150 with six straps, two ratcheting with two hooks and four double-loop. The double-loop look as above.
For those who haven't used these, you wrap them around the tubes as follows:
(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt4/97tiger885/1109121845.jpg)
I wrap two of these around the fork tubes between the yokes:
(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt4/97tiger885/1109121846.jpg)
(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt4/97tiger885/1109121847.jpg)
You need to be careful not to pinch or pull any wires attached to the tubes.
This is bad.
(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt4/97tiger885/1109121848.jpg)
I use the cut-outs on either side of the front fairing to access the tubes. This may not work with a trailer if the trailer mounting points are on the trailer floor and close to the sides of the mc. On the F150, the posts supporting the rack are used which means the straps are more horizontal than vertical.
(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt4/97tiger885/0516011119.jpg)
This is good.
(http://i592.photobucket.com/albums/tt4/97tiger885/1109121850.jpg)
Its a 1996.
Nothing happens when I push the start button. No lights dimming. Only lights I get are dash, tail/running and brake. No horn, turn, head light, hazards, ect.
I have poked and prodded every wire under the fairing.
I have messed with the buttons too. No signs of diagnoses.
Still taking ideas. Thanx.
I had a similar problem a couple of weeks ago :sign13 :XXsunsmileI pulled the clutch in and it started to turn over stab in the dark but it worked for me
Cheers
Mark
Thanks to all. Found the wire/wires, actually a plug. It had one end hiding in a rubber boot cover and I thought the other end was for computer diagnoses or some sort of test. Im stoked. Need to rewire grip warmers since I am now so familar with them. :XXsunsmile
Next time I strap it down, I will try the above loops.
:wave
OK, same thing on my 95. The ignition switch wouldn't make the kill switch hot. All other functions of switch worked. With a little creative wiring the bike will turn over now but Without the Key! It will not fire the coils so all is Good! Haven't ridden the bike since the electrical repair so still working out the bugs but don't think the safety BS will be an issue as those are all on the other side of the start relay coil. As a side note I'd like to compliment Harley Davidson for not putting "Any" safety interlocks on their Bikes! At least that's what my Bro told me. If you want to ride down the road with the side stand down who are we to stop you. :new_xmas