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Tiger Time => Girly Talk (1999 - 2006 Tigers) => Topic started by: wardy on March 01, 2013, 10:12:36 PM

Title: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 01, 2013, 10:12:36 PM
hi folks any advice throttle is sticking but cable is all oiled up it has been mentioned about idle valve coked up iam  not that tech minded but i assocaite idle valve with carbs
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: John Stenhouse on March 01, 2013, 10:42:14 PM
Are you using the heated grips? Cause mine did that and was traced down to the grip expanding when the heater was on, cure was a washer between the bar end weight and the grip
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Harry on March 01, 2013, 11:18:43 PM
Had a similar "seasonal" problem. As mentioned above, a washer sorted it.
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 02, 2013, 12:59:54 AM
You mention the cable is oiled, and that the idle valve has been suggested so by sticking throttle do you mean the twist grip is sticking, or that the revs don't drop straight to tickover when you blip the throttle but instead die down slowly after the throttle is closed/
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 02, 2013, 07:59:55 PM
yeah its the latter revs die slowly ive mentioned it to a few local mechcanic shops and they nod in all the right places but don t fill me with confidance that they really understand and i am not tech minded to do it my self
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: John Stenhouse on March 02, 2013, 11:56:16 PM
That's what the IACV valve is supposed to do, stops it stalling when you whack the throttle shut. How long does it take to come down? If it's more than a few seconds then it's probably got an air leak somewhere or the valve is sticky.
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: PeteH on March 03, 2013, 01:21:09 AM
Hi Wardy...If you dont get it sorted by the accumulated knowledge on here , try the 2wheel workshop in Ellesmere Port http://www.twowheelworkshop.com/ nowt to do with me but have used them to get my 885i sorted.
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 03, 2013, 03:49:14 AM
All good advice, and there's loads of advice on it in here, but Pete's right, if - as you say - you're not happy with spanners you should see a dealer and Pete is straight up.

When you go to the dealer, mention it might have a leak around the IACV (use the abbreviation not the full term idle air control valve and look him in the eye. If he knows where to look you'll be ok, if he doesn't, well......) .  The valve is under the airbox so he can't point to it but he can describe to you. The leak is usually in one of the tubes to the throttle bodies, but could be the IACV sticking.  He should also mention needing to reset the trims  in the ECU (engine control unit). If he doesn't you don't need to be mechanically minded, it's just a procedure which is described in the "how to" section.
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 03, 2013, 08:38:36 PM
great thanks for your help i will do as you say
the local mechanics are probably great but dont inspire confidense
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 04, 2013, 02:25:36 PM
Wardy, have a look at Black Tiger's post.  It may have a bearing.....
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: blacktiger on March 04, 2013, 02:33:26 PM
Yeah this thread http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,12356.0.html I think I just cured it with a good clean up and lube. Also the throttle body balance was way out which probably didn't help.
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 09, 2013, 06:54:11 PM
local mechanics claim to have cleaned iacv and found cracks splits in hose s/ tubes and have tapes these up  a mate is going to give me a hand to get tank off now my haynes manual has arrived so were can i get replacement hose s i would like to get these before i take tank off if poss thanks in advance wardy
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 09, 2013, 08:47:50 PM
Silicone vacuum hose does it. the stubs are 6mm and I found 6mm internal dia a bit easy to put on so bought 5mm to ensure no leaks.
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 09, 2013, 09:07:04 PM
any ideas what sort of supplier would stock it and whats a reasonable amount to buy thanks wardy
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 09, 2013, 09:10:58 PM
when we say reset trims are we just talking about bringing temp up to normal and bliping throttle a few times
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 09, 2013, 10:42:22 PM
No, go to the sticky at the top of the Girly section and look in the "how to" near the bottom, use the firstone, the second is how the dealer should set up a new bike before selling it.

Any motor accessory shop should sell the hose, especially the sort that sell kids bling for the Fiestas. Or if you can wait a day or two, take your pick, you can even get it to match your bike:

http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=5mm+silicone+vacuum+hose&_sacat=0&_from=R40


Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 09, 2013, 10:48:20 PM
thanks just orderd some 5mm and 6mm of ebay
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 09, 2013, 11:26:15 PM
sorry to be a pain can t find it
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Mustang on March 10, 2013, 12:30:27 AM
Quote from: wardy on March 09, 2013, 11:26:15 PM
sorry to be a pain can t find it
go to the sticky thread for the Girly How To's

12 minute tune
it had a broken link ...fixed it

http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,10903.msg80890.html#msg80890
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 10, 2013, 08:47:41 PM
just got your reply can t wait to give it a go thanks for your help

                                                                                                   wardy
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 13, 2013, 11:06:50 PM
the tiger is going in a local bike garage mike hose m /cycles going to get throttle body s balanced and new tubes on the ivac probably be worth getting the air filter done at the same time hopefully this will sort out tick over problems i found the throttle sloppy so considering adding a extra spring just to firm things up any one else ever tried this
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 13, 2013, 11:22:22 PM
It's tough reading when folks have to use a dealer to fix stuff that isn't that hard when you are lucky enough to know how. I hope he does a good job and doesn't do too much damage to your wallet.

I heard yesterday that our local now charges £100 per hour.  I'm not as quick as him, but I'm no-where near as dear :hat10
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: blacktiger on March 14, 2013, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: Bixxer Bob on March 13, 2013, 11:22:22 PM
It's tough reading when folks have to use a dealer to fix stuff that isn't that hard when you are lucky enough to know how. I hope he does a good job and doesn't do too much damage to your wallet.

I heard yesterday that our local now charges £100 per hour.  I'm not as quick as him, but I'm no-where near as dear :hat10

Completely agree. The trouble with these Tigers is that it takes an hour just to get into what you're adjusting. And another hour putting it back together. So that's ££2££hours££labour without actually doing any real work.

Now, as for adding another spring. No, it doesn't need it IF everything is lubricated "like wot I did". The throttle is fairly heavy anyway so I wouldn't want to add anything to that.
You said it felt "sloppy". Perhaps you have too much free play in it??????
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on March 14, 2013, 08:12:55 PM
i ve been quoted £100/120.00 for throttle body balancing new ivac tube s and new air filter to be honest if i had more time and more importantly some were warm and dry to do it i would give it ago ive rebuilt engines changed bearing etc in the past but i was young and single then with all the time in the world so i  will start with the simple stuff and work up haha 
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Sin_Tiger on March 15, 2013, 02:48:34 AM
Tune ECU € 0.00 USB € 20.00 you'll get a whole lot more for your dosh, then you can decide what needs to be done and you'll always have it.
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: blacktiger on March 15, 2013, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on March 15, 2013, 02:48:34 AM
Tune ECU € 0.00 USB € 20.00 you'll get a whole lot more for your dosh, then you can decide what needs to be done and you'll always have it.

You can't balance the throttles with TuneEcu on these Tigers. You need vacuum gauges.
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Bixxer Bob on March 15, 2013, 09:27:51 AM
Quote from: blacktiger on March 15, 2013, 09:23:44 AM
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on March 15, 2013, 02:48:34 AM
Tune ECU € 0.00 USB € 20.00 you'll get a whole lot more for your dosh, then you can decide what needs to be done and you'll always have it.

You can't balance the throttles with TuneEcu on these Tigers. You need vacuum gauges.

Which are £57. I recommend spending the extra few quid for the pouch too http://www.carbtune.com/

You only pay once and have them forever. :thumbsup

Just to sum up:

TuneECU - free
TuneECU cable - about a tenner
IACV tubing - less than a tenner
Carbtune - £64 plus post
Tiger Triple advice - free
An afternoon of your time

I accept having somewhere to work could be tricky though.  It's cold in my workshop at the moment....
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on April 15, 2013, 08:24:29 PM
in the end with cleaning dodgie elec conections rerouting clutch cable and bit and bobs £200.00 but its now as sweet as a nut took it for a 250 mile run around north wales lovely day and i was knacked haha
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: Bixxer Bob on April 15, 2013, 09:40:49 PM
Rewarding, this fettling lark eh?  :hat10
Title: Re: sticky throttle
Post by: wardy on April 15, 2013, 11:00:17 PM
as daft as it sounds i had to wear myself  out i could nt believe i still enjoy riding so much and with the better gear available it just means we can enjoy it for longer i work for myself and could nt concentrate on my work so i had to tire myself of riding but it only lasted for a couple of days and just made me want to do it again i have never smiled so much just sign ed up for bike safe training in august get my head around counter steering etc
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