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Tiger Time => Girly Talk (1999 - 2006 Tigers) => Topic started by: Dutch on March 23, 2013, 05:46:20 PM

Title: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on March 23, 2013, 05:46:20 PM
Is this the right topic? Think it is. Don't worry, it's not about

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/32/Koningin_Beatrix_in_Vries.jpg/266px-Koningin_Beatrix_in_Vries.jpg)

But considering my forum name and the bike's colour, the topic title seemed appropriate   :hat10

Today, I  :wave the Aprilia Tuono goodbye.

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/tuonototziens.jpg)

Had it for three years and it's a magnificent machine. Had the FZ 750 for almost 18 years, very nice bike as well. Here are both on the D526 towards the Col de la Croix Fer / Col du Glandon in the French Alps.

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/frankrijk2012-3.jpg)

A bit about me: I am located in the Netherlands. My name is Noud, I'm in my fourties and I run a company that sells motorcycle parts and accessories

(http://shop.motorbazaar.nl/skin/common_files/images/xlogo.gif) (http://www.motorbazaar.nl)
I don't know exactly what the rules are on this board, but don't worry. It's just to paint the picture, I wound't mention it again (unless it would be appreciated).


The bike: I have posted some pictures in the Girly Picture tread. It is a 2005 Tiger in Orange, started life as a demo bike, one owner since then. Bought it three weeks ago with 63tkm on the clock. That's slightly under 40 kM for you Brits and Yanks. Very much standard, apart from a Triumph tank bag and inner bags for the cases. Fitted with almost new Battlewings.


(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/tigerlinksvoor.jpg)

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/tigerrechts.jpg)

I mounted the Zumo 660 on the handle bar. Juice comes from the accessorie plug. The cable is visible on the picture with the cases. Maybe I'll change that later. First weather has to improve so I can get to know the big cat. It is a bit more top heavy than I anticipated, so second addition after the gps is a set of Fehling bars.

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/beugel-rechts.jpg)

Things on the to do list:
- new muffler (already ordered a GPR Furore Nero Italia)
- weld the bracket that holds the bash plate
- have the front fork serviced
- new rear wheel bearings
- have the injection suit the new muffler.

I will probably also replace the shock by a high end shock from Wilbers, Hyperpro or Yacugar. And maybe the front brake calipers need to be serviced. I'm not much of a cleaner or polisher. I don't even mind a smaller scratch or a bit of rust on the exhaust or so. But I do like my bikes to be in a proper condition technically.

That's it for now, I'll post again when there are new developments.

Cheers, Dutch
Title: Re: The Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on March 23, 2013, 05:59:30 PM
Yep, seen your posts over on the picture thread. Welcome to Tiger ownership. Lovely bikes with armchair comfort.

Re the GPS feed. I installed a socket in the dash on mine. Been there about 9 years so far. Still working. Just find a switched feed under the fairing somewhere. Leaves the under seat one free for heated clothing.
Just below the heated grips switch.
(http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp48/black955tiger/TIGER%20955i/GPSRAMMOUNTFIXING.jpg)
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on March 30, 2013, 03:08:20 PM
Yesterday I received a parcel for the orange girl:

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/GPR_Furore_Tiger955i.jpg)

The muffler itself is relatively short, only 40 cm (16") overall. Hope this is not too short when the cases are on the bike. I'll try it out and I can always order a slightly longer one.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on March 30, 2013, 03:37:46 PM
Hope it's right as that label says "Tiger900".
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on March 30, 2013, 04:53:51 PM
Actually it says New Tiger 900. The 'old' 900 being the Steamer. Afaik all Girlies (885i and 955i) have the same muffler. I'll find out soon  :hat10
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Marc on March 31, 2013, 05:09:01 PM
 :eusa_clap  Congratulations Dutch!  You'll enjoy that bike so much
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: aesdj on April 01, 2013, 10:37:44 AM
Welcome and good bike choice. Loving the can, nice.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Sin_Tiger on April 03, 2013, 02:22:09 AM
Never seen a shortie can like that on a Girly, I imagine it will give the bike a very MX look  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on April 04, 2013, 07:45:57 PM
When I bought the bike the seller warned me that the rear wheel bearings might need replacing in the near future. Turned out the wheel bearings are ok, but the bearing of the sprocket carrier was knackered. Nearby Triumph dealer had it on stock, so just replaced it. Most likely the previous owner (or person who's done the last maintainance) forgot the Tiger's chain needs more slack than most road bikes.

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/tandwieldrager.jpg)
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on April 05, 2013, 02:48:11 PM
Now the wheel is out I thought it would be a good idee to check the rear brake. Remove the pads, get the pistons out a bit, clean them, you get the idea. However the pins that hold the pads really stuck. Got one out, looks like no copper or ceramic grease has been used on them. The other one I managed to round off the inside of the head :(    Hope I don't have to drill it out, but looking for a new one wouldn't be a bad idea.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on April 05, 2013, 08:29:43 PM
so, nothing a torx bit and a big hammer couldn't fix.

... and a bit of penetration fluid. Wheel is back in, the chain a bit more slack than before. I'll test ride it this weekend.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: daveb on April 05, 2013, 09:55:10 PM
looking good here Dutch
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: chairhead on April 09, 2013, 02:56:03 PM
Welcome here Dutch,

pics of the end can on??
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on April 14, 2013, 01:25:35 PM
Pics with the can on will come when mounted. However when parked the muffler faces a wall and when riding I don't see it either. So not top priority I'm afraid.

Did get the bracket welded that holds the bash plate. It  was torn where it's welded on the no.1 pipe. Mate of a mate did a really good job Tig welding it. Riding away from his place I wanted to sound the horn as goodbye, horn did nothing. Fortunatly the brakes work  :hat10


An obvious reference to:

(http://image.spreadshirt.com/image-server/v1/designs/11115055,width=178,height=178/Couldn-t-Fix-Your-Brakes.png)
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: John Stenhouse on April 14, 2013, 02:17:27 PM
Where's the like button!
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Chris Canning on April 14, 2013, 06:11:45 PM
Quote from: Dutch on April 04, 2013, 07:45:57 PM
When I bought the bike the seller warned me that the rear wheel bearings might need replacing in the near future. Turned out the wheel bearings are ok, but the bearing of the sprocket carrier was knackered. Nearby Triumph dealer had it on stock, so just replaced it. Most likely the previous owner (or person who's done the last maintainance) forgot the Tiger's chain needs more slack than most road bikes.

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/tandwieldrager.jpg)

Nothing to do with Triumph or tight chains,I've done one as well on a Dymags.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on April 19, 2013, 06:20:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Canning on April 14, 2013, 06:11:45 PM
Nothing to do with Triumph or tight chains,I've done one as well on a Dymags.
Bearings can go for a number of reasons. Imho a tight chain can be a big contributor.

Just fixed the horn. Still a bit of a Girly sound instead of a tiger roar, but will do. Also bought a set of used seats. My rider seat feels a bit tired, as if the previous 40 kM / 63t km were done by a sizable person  :hat10

And if it's a Tiger thing I can see if I can get the seat redone to my tush   :pottytrain2
And get me a set of eye-bolts, there is that neat hole under the passenger sets to put it. The eye can then hold a strap to fixate luggage.

And to the impatient readers, the GPR muffler will be on the bike soon  :hat10
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on April 19, 2013, 06:25:44 PM
Quote from: Dutch on April 19, 2013, 06:20:37 PM
Also bought a set of used seats. My rider seat feels a bit tired, as if the previous 40 kM / 63t km were done by a sizable person  :hat10

And if it's a Tiger thing I can see if I can get the seat redone to my tush   :pottytrain2


The standard seat on my 2002 was a 50 miler. i.e. after 50 miles I'd had enough! I bought the Triumph gel seat (£110 at the time) and it's superb. Hope you get yours sorted.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Chris Canning on April 19, 2013, 11:06:50 PM
Quote from: Dutch on April 19, 2013, 06:20:37 PM
Quote from: Chris Canning on April 14, 2013, 06:11:45 PM
Nothing to do with Triumph or tight chains,I've done one as well on a Dymags.
Bearings can go for a number of reasons. Imho a tight chain can be a big contributor.



My 955i is my third tiger,I made my mistakes with the two prvious 885i's,my present bike has even been close to a tight chain in 12 years of ownership from and the bearing still went belly up and not a Triumph one either.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Chris Canning on April 19, 2013, 11:14:49 PM


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The standard seat on my 2002 was a 50 miler. i.e. after 50 miles I'd had enough! I bought the Triumph gel seat (£110 at the time) and it's superb. Hope you get yours sorted.
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I remember some years ago reading a post like this and was daft enough to beleave it,bought a front and rear gel seat off ebay,rode 100 miles down the road we!!! both thought they were great,did a long trip to southern Europe what a F*****g nightmare,as luck would have it I've always a second opinion with my other half on the back and she said the same by the time you've done 3/400 miles it's sitting on a park bench absolute unadultered murder,found another mug on ebay and sold e'm.

Oh did mention leaving the bike in the sun and then sitting on them :pottytrain2,thats about the same colour as my arse was!!!

Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on April 20, 2013, 06:25:00 PM
Here it is, I like it  (http://www.motor-forum.nl/global/smileys/coool.gif)

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/GPR_furore_detail.jpg)

This is the short version, 40 cm begin to end (16"). The hull itself is 31 cm (12" and a bit). There is also a 45 cm / 18" version of this muffler. I mounted it digitaly.

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/GPR_furore_lang.jpg)

The sound is totally cool and there is more then enough room between muffler and the Triumph case.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on April 20, 2013, 06:47:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Canning on April 19, 2013, 11:14:49 PM
I remember some years ago reading a post like this and was daft enough to beleave it,bought a front and rear gel seat off ebay,rode 100 miles down the road we!!! both thought they were great,did a long trip to southern Europe what a F*****g nightmare,as luck would have it I've always a second opinion with my other half on the back and she said the same by the time you've done 3/400 miles it's sitting on a park bench absolute unadultered murder,found another mug on ebay and sold e'm.

Oh did mention leaving the bike in the sun and then sitting on them :pottytrain2,thats about the same colour as my arse was!!!

Your arse is obviously more delicate than mine Chris. That gel seat is an 10 hour day, 10 days running seat for me.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: chappers on April 20, 2013, 07:33:14 PM
i can only do about 300 miles on my standard seat with out it feeling my piles have been through a cheese grater  :pottytrain2
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Chris Canning on April 20, 2013, 10:27:13 PM
Quote from: blacktiger on April 20, 2013, 06:47:56 PM
Quote from: Chris Canning on April 19, 2013, 11:14:49 PM
I remember some years ago reading a post like this and was daft enough to beleave it,bought a front and rear gel seat off ebay,rode 100 miles down the road we!!! both thought they were great,did a long trip to southern Europe what a F*****g nightmare,as luck would have it I've always a second opinion with my other half on the back and she said the same by the time you've done 3/400 miles it's sitting on a park bench absolute unadultered murder,found another mug on ebay and sold e'm.

Oh did mention leaving the bike in the sun and then sitting on them :pottytrain2,thats about the same colour as my arse was!!!

Your arse is obviously more delicate than mine Chris. That gel seat is an 10 hour day, 10 days running seat for me.

You may well be right, I thought it was crap,my wife said it was bloody rubbish.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Chris Canning on April 20, 2013, 10:34:08 PM
Quote from: chappers on April 20, 2013, 07:33:14 PM
i can only do about 300 miles on my standard seat with out it feeling my piles have been through a cheese grater  :pottytrain2

There's no substitute for being race fit there isn't a seat in the world that will make up for that,we'd been on the road nearly two weeks and had already travelled down to Mugello for the Italian GP across Italy/SOF to Andorra and then onto Barcelone for the GP the following weekend,got up monday morning and rode 1050 mile in 16 hours and that included the Dover/Calais ferry all done on a stock seat,well a brand new one bought off ebay for 40 quid,it'll be going to Assen in June and september Le-Mans for the 24 hour and then down to Aragon for the GP,Bilbao and home.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Bixxer Bob on April 22, 2013, 12:05:24 AM
Have to say I did the same as Chris, bought one, me and the wife thought it was brilliant first couple of short trips, but long miles, extreme hot or extreme cold?  Forget it.  Seems it suits some, not others, you speak as you find.... :thumbsup
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on April 28, 2013, 09:22:56 PM
Today I've done some topless riding. Must admit I quite liked it. But then again, I do come off a naked  :love10


* without windscreen, less turbulence around my helmet.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on April 29, 2013, 09:20:34 PM
Starting tomorrow there will be only ONE Dutch Queen...  MINE    :hat10
Oh crap, I forgot there is this Argentinian chick who can call herself queen from tomorrow on. And definatly cannot call here "mine", pretty sure my wife won't appreciate that  (http://www.fzr-forum.de/wcf/images/smilies/pom.gif)


The bike looks a bit sorrow now, with both front legs amputated. The're out for a full check-up and service. For the rear I have ordered a fully adjustable Wilbers with hydraulic preload. Quite an investment, but is does help if you're a Wilbers dealer to start with ;)
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on May 13, 2013, 08:49:25 PM
Update: the serviced front forks have gone back in the bike, overhauled the front calipers and had the bike out for a nice spin: 4 days in the German Eifel. Some of the best roads don't have the best surface, so was quite happy to be on an allroad. The rear suspension did the job, but imho not much more than that. Pretty sure the Wilbers that's on order wil cure that (it bl***y well should considering the cost  :icon_wink: ).

The speedo issue is discussed in another tread (http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,6176.15.html). According to gps we did 1157 km, almost 20 hours on the move. Weather could have been better, but could have been worse also. Most important, kept the nownotsoshinyside up and the rubber side down. Gear changes could be smoother, but I love that engine  :icon_salut: And the tank range is a lot better than the 262 km / 16.2 litre I got with the Tuono. What's the most one can fill up btw?

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/eifel2013-1.jpg)

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/eifel2013-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on May 13, 2013, 09:55:02 PM
Quote from: Dutch on May 13, 2013, 08:49:25 PM. What's the most one can fill up btw?


Over the years the opinion is that you can use 23.5 litres of the 24 litre official capacity. You've got 4 litres left when the fuel light comes on.  However, these plastic tanks are rumoured to get bigger with age so you may get more than 24 litres in there.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: NKL on May 13, 2013, 10:23:42 PM
I thought it was 6 litres left when the light comes on.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on May 14, 2013, 03:03:52 PM
Quote from: NKL on May 13, 2013, 10:23:42 PM
I thought it was 6 litres left when the light comes on.

Yes, my mistake. I've got 800XC in my head. Yes 6 litres left on the 955i. i.e. 18 litres used.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on May 18, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
Never saw a low fuel light, but most I could top up was about 17.5 litre iirc.

Yesterday the postman came by with a nice parcel:

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/wilbers641hpa.jpg)
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on May 19, 2013, 09:05:27 AM
Quote from: Dutch on May 18, 2013, 04:26:22 PM
Never saw a low fuel light, but most I could top up was about 17.5 litre iirc.

Yesterday the postman came by with a nice parcel:

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/wilbers641hpa.jpg)

Mine and others I know are pretty consistent with the low fuel light coming on after 18 litres have been used.

That shock is nice. Dare I ask how much??€€€
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on May 19, 2013, 10:22:17 AM
You may ask, but better be seated properly before continuing  :hat10

Wilbers has 4 types of shocks:
a) emulsion shock with only preload adjustable. Available for steamer, not younger Tigers
b) emulsion shock with preload and rebound damping adjustable
c) oil and gas separated, remote reservoir on hose (this one), preload, rebound and compression high and low speed adjustable
d) like c but with piggyback reservoir.

e) option: hydraulic preload (like this one, the red knob)
f) option: adjustable length (not available for cast wheel Girly)

The emulsion shock b) is a really good one for most circumstances. If you alternate between riding alone and with pillon e) is a really good option. If you put higher demands on suspension you choose c) or d). Specially if the shock has to work really hard (unpaved or off-road use) d) is better then c)

List prices including 21% Dutch VAT:
a) € 406
b) € 507
c) € 711
d) € 812
e) € 219
f) € 101

Some of these prices are not strategical as we used to have 19% VAT up to half a year ago. Motorbazaar.nl clients pay less and being a Wilbers dealer I paid less than that. Which I more than spent on the options I'm afraid  :icon_rolleyes:

Within EU VAT applies, current exchange rate GBP/EU is .85, so this shock has a list price of € 930 = 787 pound
For prices ex sales tax and in USD please work that calculator. Or sent pm  :icon_wink:


I spent last weekend in Germany in the Eifel region. Beautifull, but some of the roads aren't that smooth. The 40k M oem shock did ok, but I'm convinced this one will do a lot better. I have experienced the difference a quality aftermarket shock makes before so can't wait to give this one a good test ride  (http://www.motor-forum.nl/global/smileys/crossy.gif)

Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on May 19, 2013, 10:59:41 AM
Thanks. A lot of money to spend on an old bike.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on May 19, 2013, 01:29:04 PM
Personally I think a bike of 8 years 'old' is quite a young bike   :icon_wink: 
If you go early nineties or late eigthies that might be a different story. You know, all of the bike including technology is 20-25 year old but the bike is nowhere near classic. And most of them will never be.

As for the Girly, yes, I wouldn't mind a 1200 Tiger Explorer. But the investment in that is more than in Girly + shock. Not to mention depreciation. Pretty sure the Girly is a bit more modest than an Explorer of even a Roadie 2-3 years old.

And third, even with this shock this Dutch Queen is still cheaper than most cast wheel Girlies I've seen for sale in NL. Thanks to it "high" milage. But others have 25-30 K on them as well, so that build-on-a-budget OEM shock is not going to be perfect either.

Everyone is free to do as they please. For me, I don't mind a few scratches or a couple of miles more. As long as the price is right so I can invest in some proper technical updates. Others go for a low milage minter and accept 'reasonable' in e.g. the suspension department. An some buy the latest with the newest gadgets. Bless them, because that way there are bikes for us cheapskates to pick up in 5-10 years time  :icon_wink:

Cheers, Dutch




Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on May 19, 2013, 01:42:13 PM
Quote from: Dutch on May 19, 2013, 01:29:04 PM
Personally I think a bike of 8 years 'old' is quite a young bike   :icon_wink: 

I was thinking about mine which is 11 years old with 68000 miles on it. The cost of that shock is about half the value of the whole bike.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on May 19, 2013, 02:01:34 PM
True, but it will double the fun. And is still a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a roadie or R1200 GS.
On the other hand, do you buy the best tires for a new bike and only the cheapest Sjingsjong for an older bike?
Do you wear a 5 quid helmet 'cause the bike is older?

In your case I'd probably go for good quality emulsion shock, that would be the 430 pound price range. Wilbers, Hyperpro or any other reputable brand. I've read some are not without reservation against Hagon, but I've sold quite a few with complete satisfaction. I'll bet you a pint or 2 that you're convinced the investment was a good one within a few miles.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on May 19, 2013, 02:23:20 PM
Quote from: Dutch on May 19, 2013, 02:01:34 PM
True, but it will double the fun. And is still a hell of a lot cheaper than buying a roadie or R1200 GS.
On the other hand, do you buy the best tires for a new bike and only the cheapest Sjingsjong for an older bike?
Do you wear a 5 quid helmet 'cause the bike is older?

In your case I'd probably go for good quality emulsion shock, that would be the 430 pound price range. Wilbers, Hyperpro or any other reputable brand. I've read some are not without reservation against Hagon, but I've sold quite a few with complete satisfaction. I'll bet you a pint or 2 that you're convinced the investment was a good one within a few miles.

I see you're trying to sell me one.  :icon_wink: I had my OE shock rebuilt a short while ago and it works pretty well again. So the fun is there and the bike's not holding me back and no-one accuses me of being too slow. Tyres are a different thing as they're the contact with the road. I've just ordered a set of Dunlop Roadsmart2 to replace Distanzias. What happens in the future, who knows?
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on May 19, 2013, 03:21:03 PM
I had a big get-off 20 years ago. Only have to look at my left hand to be reminded again. In retrospective poor suspension was the main culprit. I don't mind selling a can, but I love selling a shock. Because I know a good shock really makes any bike better. Much more than a few grams less and a few dB and bhp more can do ;)


Not to forget: most aftermarket shocks can be serviced. So I can do with the OE and buy a replacement in 10-20K. Of shell out now, have the benifits now and if neccessary have it serviced in 20K to have it as-good-as-new again.

Well, weather is fine today, won't be rest of the week so I'm off for a little spin  :icon_salut:
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on May 29, 2013, 11:16:00 PM
UPDATE  UPDATE  UPDATE   but no pictures  :icon_rolleyes:

A) Screen
I came in contact with a guy that had both an original and a higher screen for sale. The latter has a Triumph and a National Cycle logo on it and is about 8 cm (3") higher than the oem. Short test ride with windy weather: still turbulance. One of these days the saw is going into one of the oem's cutting it down piece by piece 'till I like it  :icon_evil:

B) Shock absorber
Yesterday finally got started on mounting that beautiful Wilbers shock. After reading the how to several times. So got a idea how to approach the project. It's definatly more work than with the FZ 750, despite the center stand. Already the first thing is twice as much work with the Tiger! FZ has a one-piece seat  :icon_wink:

Good thing: the bottom had been worked on not too long ago, no corrosion, so a few ferm blows with a big hammer had it out quickly. Despite the tip of edging the bracket between coils and turning I couldn't get the shock out that way, so lowered the undertray. And most will know you have to break down half the bike to get to that naggin screw at the back  :icon_frown:

So that's how the bike looks now, like a war victim or object of a full nut and bolt restauration  :icon_eek:
Pictures will follow. Probably. Hopefully. Maybe....

The Wilbers is in place, had the lower pin in, could not get the retaining bolt in, so got it out again. Turned out I might have hit it a bit hard with a not perfect driver  :icon_frown:  Filled it out a bit, so bolt could go through again. Got frustrated so stopped for today. The pin is in the wife's freezer (hope she don't find it), maybe the cold will shrink it just enough to go in ever so slightly easier   :qgaraduate

Keep you updated later..

Cheers, Dutch
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Bixxer Bob on May 30, 2013, 05:08:11 PM
Not quite so eye-wateringly painful, but still beyond my reach:

http://www.squaredeals-ltd.co.uk/wilbers-641-monoshock-with-remote-reservoir-641-762-00-7676-p.asp

I am waiting for a Hagon coming with 10mm lowering....
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on May 30, 2013, 07:59:57 PM
Quite a regular price for a 641 without hydraulic preload. If you ride with various loads and have to choose between remote reservoir and preload adjuster the 640 with hp is preferable above the 641 without. I couldn't choose  :icon_mrgreen:
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Stitch on May 31, 2013, 06:19:01 AM
Man o' Man is that a nice set-up Dutch. I too am budgeting for the Wilbers unit similiar as you acquired but without the piggy back reservoir.  Cost per mile fun is well worth it!
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on June 20, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
Have done some trips with the Wilbers shock and it's marvellous. Maybe I'll fettle a bit with the settings to see if I get get it even better than it already is.

Also had the high screen on for a few rides. Don't like it, still get the turbulence on my helmet. So I cut 6 cm off one of the oem screens. It's now right between oem and no screen. I have a ride this evening so we'll see.

Cheers, Dutch
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Marc on June 21, 2013, 08:41:17 AM
Quote from: Dutch on June 20, 2013, 02:45:24 PM
I have a ride this evening so we'll see.

If possible show us a pic Dutch  :thumbsup
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on June 27, 2013, 08:57:07 AM
This is the oem screen with 6 cm cut of:

(http://motorbazaar.nl/diversen/tiger_lowered_screen.jpg)

Buffeting is a lot less, a fair bit of noise is still there but the jolts to the helmet have gone so less tiresome. Might go another -2 cm, maybe round off the corners a bit more. Or even keep the middle and only round off the corners. Because I think (a fully equipped wind tunnel would be nice now) the corners create the most turbulence and lowering those will get the helmet just above the worst turbulant air.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 27, 2013, 08:39:22 PM
If you're really up for some experimentation, you might consider cutting away the lower edge to get more air flow up the inside of the screen.  Fitted the Palmer screen adjuster which for the most part does just that and made a big difference on the Roadie.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: coachgeo on July 06, 2013, 12:35:24 AM
Quote from: Dutch on June 27, 2013, 08:57:07 AM
.... I think (a fully equipped wind tunnel would be nice now) the corners create the most turbulence and lowering those will get the helmet just above the worst turbulant air.
Some Duct Taped string to the shield that Almost reach your face? and a friend following taking video from front and side might suffice as a wind tunnel test.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on July 06, 2013, 11:45:25 AM
Sounds like an idea  :sign13   Now let's see where I can get that friend ......    :hat10
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Black Pearl on July 06, 2013, 07:17:13 PM
photo of my 'california creation'.....  :icon_mrgreen:

i am no fan of buffeting and i don't like wind noise so i went in search of options to cut down on both.... ultimately i created the smallest screen i could and this has worked out the best for me.... i am 5' 9" w/32" inseam.... wind hits me in the chest but well below the helmet.... this was cheap and easy to fabricate with leftover scrap from the bin at tap plastics... the bottom of the screen could go a little lower to cover the front fairing attachment screws, but the top is cut down to the lowest it will go while following the contours of the front fairing.... i think this is about as close as you can get to a naked bike ride - which has the cleanest air imho -  on the tiger

(http://i961.photobucket.com/albums/ae99/heartbeat165/Eastern%20Sierras%20June%202013/EasternSierrasJune28-July1100_zps69b53098.jpg) (http://s961.photobucket.com/user/heartbeat165/media/Eastern%20Sierras%20June%202013/EasternSierrasJune28-July1100_zps69b53098.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on August 04, 2013, 09:04:15 PM
Cut another 3 cm (now 9 in total) of the OEM screen and went on a longer ride day before yesterday. There is still buffeting on the low(est) part of the helmet which makes riding a full day more tiresome than it should be. And I have planned trip through Poland and the Baltic Countries in a good week time...

Today I taped some string to the screen as suggested by coachgeo. As expected the air is reasonably turbulent and the strings blew straigt back. Completely horizontal so to say.

Then I remembered I had put some cloth below the screen at the last stop day before yesterday, just to see if closing the gap between screen and fairing would make a difference. I hadn't really noticed then, but a the time I did my head was already shaken more then enough. So I removed that cloth and see, the strings went up before going backwards!!  Making a nice curve, so that gap certainly has an effect !

I am going to cut of another 2-3 cm, ending up with rather low one like Black Pearl shows above. Hope we don't get that much rain though  :hat10   Might put a sponge in the gap between screen and fairing. That's also easy to remove to see the differences with the gap open or closed.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Marc on August 12, 2013, 12:19:59 PM
Just installed a MRA spoiler on my Cee Bailey screen.  Works very good 'for me', no buffeting anymore and good protection  :thumbsup

(http://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h452/iridek1/0b81ab27-4e6b-4758-9b0a-d47026638ebe_zps5ccdfe0c.jpg) (http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/iridek1/media/0b81ab27-4e6b-4758-9b0a-d47026638ebe_zps5ccdfe0c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on August 30, 2013, 07:14:35 PM
Just went on tour when you posted your reply. By the looks of it we must be able to tell our Tigers apart, despite the same colour  :hat10

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/tiger20131.jpg)
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on September 07, 2013, 08:47:55 PM
Some useless information: just updated my facebook profile with this photo:

(http://www.motorbazaar.nl/diversen/tiger20132.jpg)
Not sure if this one is Lithuania or Latvia


By the way screen: I put a sponge in the gap to close it (almost) off. Did take it out, but buffeting is more without sponge (gap open) than with (no air between fairing and screen) so it went back in again  :hat10
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Marc on September 08, 2013, 06:49:11 PM
hmm, in that case I prefer my MRA-sponge  :icon_razz:
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Advwannabe on September 12, 2013, 12:01:11 PM
I have the Palmer products bracket and their large screen on mine. I didn't like the way the screen wobbled at speed so I made up some stays out of annealed copper tubing to settle it down a bit. The theory is that if I have an accident and go through the screen the tubes will tear and reduce the resistance/injuries.

As far as the buffeting noise is concerned I'm very happy with this set up after trying all sorts of other options

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq141/russellsmith6/tigerbash2.jpg) (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/russellsmith6/media/tigerbash2.jpg.html)

(http://i442.photobucket.com/albums/qq141/russellsmith6/Tigerbash1.jpg) (http://s442.photobucket.com/user/russellsmith6/media/Tigerbash1.jpg.html)

Edit: I also tried cutting down the screen and even ran with no screen for a while. This is better.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on July 23, 2014, 02:39:30 PM
Hello Tiger fans,

Haven't been on this board for a while but rest assured, the Tiger is still in it's cage  :hat10  Even gets out every now and then, though must admit I haven't done a lot of km's this year so far.  :icon_redface:   Hopefully a trip planned next month will ad a few km's.

@the moderators: I have some technical questions, would you like me to make a new topic or continue in this one?

Cheers, Dutch
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Mustang on July 23, 2014, 03:06:39 PM
new topic ...............not that any one stays on topic anyway  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: blacktiger on July 23, 2014, 05:10:18 PM
Quote from: Mustang on July 23, 2014, 03:06:39 PM
new topic ...............not that any one stays on topic anyway  :icon_rolleyes:

See? Gone off topic already. :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on July 23, 2014, 05:45:08 PM
LOL, thanks guys  :hat10
Will wring out search function and if no answer comes up I'll make a new topic  :tin hat



no real reason for that last smiley, I just think it's cool
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: cba191 on July 23, 2014, 06:39:42 PM
I got the same shock in prep for my Alaska trip. It works flawlessly. The only drawback is that with new tires, the center stand doesn't get the rear wheel off the ground all the way. I can live with that though.
Title: Re: Introducing the Dutch Queen
Post by: Dutch on July 23, 2014, 06:48:35 PM
You have a Wilbers 641 on a spoke wheel Girly? Did you order it langer than standard? Or are the new tires very high? With the 641 on my cast wheel the tire (BW-502) is still very much off the ground. With luggage I can't even get it on the stand without help jello-for-muscles-smiley
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