Put the side stand down before heading out and the bike kept leaning. Noticed one bolt on the ground with some metal casing. Put it on the center stand and another bolt was flopping around, only the top bolt was holding on.
So, do I have to get the one welded as it looks like bolt holes are part of the bottom of the engine casing? The other looks like it had a sleeved thread (not sure if that is the right phrase) and can it get replaced? This looks like something that can turn into a nightmare, but i am sure I am not the first one this has happened too. I will have more time to spend with it this weekend and can send some pictures. Anyone had to fix a broken side stand?
Thanks!
A couple of pics would help us understand your problem better and give a more meaningful answer. If you don't know how to post pics there's a sticky showing the best ways.
Will get some pics up soon.
Sounds more like "broken side stand MOUNT" to me. Get the welder ready.
Sorry for the delay. Moved last weekend and I'm still recovering... Here is a pic of one of the stripped out holes. It seems they are threaded holes and can be replaced (how you do it, I don't know). I guess some metal for support can be welded to the broken hole, but what about getting the threads out. Anybody have any experience with this? (http://roadinator.smugmug.com/Other/2005-Triumph-Tiger-955i/i-Rp7jTW8/0/L/IMG_0627-L.jpg)
do you have a center stand ?
better get used to using it ......................
that's not going to be easy or cheap to repair
Blimey I've never seen that before could be fixed?? maybe but sure would be a hassle and like the man said better get used to using a center stand,although it's only this thread that has made me realise I do,I rarely use the side stand on the Tiger.
I use the side stand to get on and off the bike when loaded. Hard to get the leg over while holding the bike up. Will have to figure it out or get use to parking next to curbs to step on and off.
I'd take it off because it's not going to take long stripping the other bolt out.
If you can find a really good alloy welder it may be possible but blimey it'll take some doing and even then I'm not sure If I would trust it.
How do I disconnect the kill switch? Follow it back to where it begins and pull it?
If you're talking about the side stand switch, you need to splice two of the wires together. I can't remember which ones though....
Quote from: Roadinator on April 06, 2014, 04:14:50 PM
How do I disconnect the kill switch? Follow it back to where it begins and pull it?
Why not try a helicoil? Properly inserted, they are stronger than the original threads. The only potential problem I see is the bit of broken area on the case. If the entire threaded area is not cracked and the threads are deep enough into the case I think it would hold anyway. I can't see where the other bolt inserts to mount the stand, but I would helicoil that one also. I suppose it would be best to fill in the cracked area with a weld and re-drill, (and then helicoil) but then you are looking at dropping the pan at the very least. I would want a good look at what is behind the area if I was to weld the hole.
Ed
I'm guessing that the bolt has worked loose to the extent that it's overloaded the remaining thread contact. I'd be wanting to make up a new Bush with a spigot on the end, cut back as far as possible and then weld. Not ridiculously difficult but time consuming and need someone with the right skills and understanding of the materials involved.
Agree with sin here, the mounting bolt has worked loose, or stretched, being the root cause.
As for fixing, a very good welder proficient in cast aluminium welding would be needed.
The area is underneath the water pump which will need removing.
TBH the best practice method is to strip the lower case off, weld and machine or as sin says make up a spigot to weld to the lower case.
Any half decent bike engineer could have one of these engines out and on the deck stripped in an hour and a bit....(Don't ask)!
To me it already looks like there is some threads inside the bolt whole (instead of threads in the casing). I wonder if it has had this problem before or is that the way it is made? Just moved so I am pretty far from a Triumph dealer, so will ride it into the local Yam/Suz/kaw dealer and see if they have anyone who can tackle it. Not sure I understand what a "bush with a spigot on the end" means? Could I get a piece cut to a certain shape and welded in place and tap it for new holes? The whole on the opposite side is stripped, but not broken. Still useless without getting tapped I guess. Will spend some time with it this weekend.
On the right lines there but the necessary skills of welding cast aluminium will need to be found to complete the job, not really found in most bike shops but a good engineering/fabrication should supply.
What I was suggesting was drilling further than the original thread depth. Make a bushup on a lathe with a smaller diameter (spigot) that fits into the hole then weld it to the casing. That way you're not relying entirely on the strength of the weld to support the stand. I can do a wee sketch later if that's still not clear.
I got ya Sin_Tiger. That's what I was thinking, but did not know the language. Still might swing by the local shop, so hello and let them look at it. I have an old friend that is a machinist that I am sure he would know what to do. I really don't feel like pulling the motor for this, but it seems it would be a pain to try and do this with the motor/casing still in place.
Quote from: Roadinator on April 06, 2014, 04:06:27 AM
I use the side stand to get on and off the bike when loaded. Hard to get the leg over while holding the bike up. Will have to figure it out or get use to parking next to curbs to step on and off.
I've absolutely no doubt a solution can be found,with some hassle!! but carry on doing the above and you'll back again with the same problem,all that pressure on two bolts screwed into cast alloy!!!
I got the bike back with the lower broken hole filled and tapped out. Also had the other lower hole tapped out to a little larger size to get new a bolt (that side was stripped). Since it broke I have moved and of course lost my spring to the side stand (new one ordered $7).
My question is about "play" in the side stand. I have about an 1" of play in the side stand and this does not seem normal. Do tiger owners have tight side stands? I was thinking the side stand probably was getting loose as the mounting plate was getting loose and the weight of putting the bike on the side stand probably loosened it up some . Guess I could drop the end of the side stand in the vise and squeeze it in some or try some washers to help tighten it up.
Any thoughts on how tight the side stand should fit in the mounting plate that is attached to the engine case?
Mine has play too, not sure it's as much as yours but it definitely has a fair amount of movement
It's all back together. I tried to work a washer in the space where it has some play, but would not fit. Guess I'll go with a little play and not worry about it. Looks like I stripped out a water pump bolt (small lower one). Seems to drip a little. Also had some funkiness with the temperature gauge. Gauge was showing it running hot and a short 10 minute ride. I'm thinking it was air in the system? When I stopped and ran an errand and then rode home it was running cool the whole way. Going out for a ride now and will see how the temperature runs (and drips). I don't think the drip is causing it to suck in air, but I will need to fix that. :icon_eek: