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Tiger Time => Girly Talk (1999 - 2006 Tigers) => Topic started by: nikonvt on June 22, 2014, 02:26:58 AM

Title: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on June 22, 2014, 02:26:58 AM
So I was running late for a Dr apt so I figured I would get gas after.  I knew the tank was low but the Dr is a mile from gas. No biggie as I was at 159 miles on the tank. After apt, no start. Ran totally fine whole way there. Even shut it off then restarted to move the bike. Thought I was outta gas - nope. Trailored it home.

Battery is good.
Makes the winding sound when turn key on - that's the fuel pump right?
When I push start it just goes wa-wa-wa-wa but won't fire.
High 22 xxxviii miles.
Fuel pump replaced last fall.
Checked fuel filter and pump assembly - looks ok. Blew out filter.
Pulled plugs - don't look too bad but will replace.

Other than fuel filter - where else could debris be stuck from drawing low on the tank?

Thanks.
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: pineygroveshop on June 22, 2014, 03:43:53 AM
Are you certain there is fuel in the tank? 
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: John Stenhouse on June 22, 2014, 10:48:25 AM
Remember the old adage, most fuel problems aren't. Check the electrics first, is it getting a spark?
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on June 22, 2014, 01:37:14 PM
Yes there is fuel.
I don't know how to check for spark without replacing the plugs.  I pulled the plugs but the parts stores around here were closed when I went to buy new ones. How do I check for spark otherwise?
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 22, 2014, 02:21:56 PM
First off I'm not a Girly expert, they're busy at the moment but lets try some more general stuff to try to narrow it down.

If you have a spare plug, any old plug you have lying around will do, stick it in the HT lead and hold it against the block or otherwise create a circuit to the block. With your battery good as it appears to be it won't be a problem leaving the plugs in the cylinders. You should see a spark, doesn't matter about the quality just to confirm the ECU is functioning, if not it's definitely electrical.

Assuming now you've confirmed it's electrical. Did you use the kill switch to stop it, that's a possibility if you did. Did you turn the bars hard to the left or right when you stopped, if yes then the wiring at the keyswitch is another prime suspect. Do a search as most of these issues have been covered already by those more knowledgeable on the Girly than me.
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on June 22, 2014, 02:30:04 PM
I don't use the kill switch so that shouldn't be the issue. The bars aren't hard to the sides either.

If I understand correctly,  pull the top part that the stem of the plug goes into, put the plug into that and then attempt to start the bike with that plug against the block to check for spark?  I'm assuming the HT lead is that part that plugs into the stem? I've torn so many engines apart but electrical has never been my strong point.
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 22, 2014, 02:46:42 PM
Yup, you got it. I include the cap as part of the HT lead, just push it onto your spare plug, wear a glove, I don't want you cursing me if you get a belt from it  :bug_eye
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on June 22, 2014, 03:23:46 PM
Pulled out 2 of the plugs (can't get 3rd because my ratchet arm is too long) and leaned both pulled ones against the frame. Right hand really weak spark, second was ok. So that's a good sign. Headed out to get 3 plugs and a shorter ratchet arm extension.  Other thoughts?
I appreciate it
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on June 22, 2014, 07:21:22 PM
Ok. So she's running now and I got a full tank in her.  However, the water pump dash light is on. I replaced the radiator cap in this process. Is there a time period for everything to cycle back to normal or is this another problem?

Edit: shit. It's the engine management malfunction indicator and the manual says to not ride it and it will allow you to "limp home". All connections appear to be in order....
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 22, 2014, 07:53:31 PM
Like I said, not the expert on this model but have a read at this, might help 12 minute Tune (http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,12926.msg94935.html#msg94935) and Girly How To's (http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,5025.0.html)

Looks like you and me are the only sad gits not out riding in the good weather, sooner we get you mobile the better then, I have a note from my Boss saying I have to earn petrol money  :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on June 22, 2014, 09:16:42 PM
Lol. Yup everyone else is out having fun. Wankers. Doing the cold hot cold 3x thing a try.  On #2....
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: PeteH on June 22, 2014, 09:22:24 PM
Just make sure the fan cuts in then kill the engine and let it realy cool down....oh, and dont touch owt when its running up...ask me how I know  :icon_redface:
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on June 22, 2014, 11:22:05 PM
Lol. Did the 3x cold got cold and the light did go out. Gonna ride it to work in the morning so that'll be the shakedown to see if it truly is all good. Thanks for the replies folks.
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 23, 2014, 01:10:12 PM
Glad to read you got a result. Hope the weather stays good and it gets you there and back without any drama  :thumbsup
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on June 23, 2014, 03:32:48 PM
Thanks Sin. Ride to work went fine, other than the temp and my heated gloves were just sent back to gerbings for repair...Got feeling back 2 hrs into my shift....but still way better than being in the truck.
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on June 23, 2014, 03:55:30 PM
On a side topic. Mpg...I get consistently about 36-38 (us). She's and 01. The previous owner (zombie) was getting 45+ out of her. I'm a bit heavier than him (I'm 230#) but would that constitute that drastic of a change?

With this whole debacle I greased the idler thing,  new air filter, fuel filter was cleaned, I have new tires on her and I don't ride crazy.  70-75mph on the interstate and about 55-60 back roads. Rarely wjacking the throttle. Use 91 or 93 octane fuel and full syn oil.  Just age of bike or am I missing something?
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 25, 2014, 10:40:54 AM
I would check it again now that you've done the adaptive tune, might be that the tune was going "off" previously.

Do you notice a petrol smell in the exhaust? Is the exhaust outlet sooty, clean and ride and look again.
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: Bixxer Bob on June 28, 2014, 11:10:39 AM
Well done mate.  And you don't need a different ratchet, just use the plug tool (box spanner driven by big allen key) in the standard toolkit attached to the underneath of the the pillion seat, it's what it's there for.
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: NortonCharlie on June 28, 2014, 03:04:41 PM
My 01 955 gets 42-48 mpg (US gallon) usually clocks in at 44.  One has got about 80,000 miles on the other about 35,000.  I usually am running 89 octane fuel.
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: 2doggs on June 28, 2014, 05:19:15 PM
I'm in Minnesota and its 85 degrees @ 10 AM with oppressive humidity of about 70%.  How cold does it get in (New Hampshire?) in June?
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: Mustang on June 29, 2014, 05:21:30 PM
It was 44f the other night.................
Title: Re: bike died - help
Post by: nikonvt on July 13, 2014, 12:27:52 PM
Quote from: Bixxer Bob on June 28, 2014, 11:10:39 AM
Well done mate.  And you don't need a different ratchet, just use the plug tool (box spanner driven by big allen key) in the standard toolkit attached to the underneath of the the pillion seat, it's what it's there for.

Was at Lowes anyway and recently broke my other shorter extention so I bought another. I knew there was a tool kit but couldn't find it.  Now I know.
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