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A very sad day.
Mais oui :thumbsup
I'm not good with foreign languages but i think IS translated means ..................
COWARDLY BASTARDS :icon_evil:
Je Suis Paris
KK
I'm racking my brains to figure this out. France has embraced immigration of these people and allowed them to build their own enclaves where, if we are to believe what we read, a white person fears to tread.
Why would they then do such unspeakable things to their hosts??? Talk about crapping in your own bed.......
I fear that this whole 'problem' is not going to end well.
We have been 'lucky' here so far. Unfortunately, our new bleeding-heart Prime Minister and his lackeys have decided to get brownie points with their supporters by fast tracking the immigration of 25,000 so called refugees in to Canada. At our expense.
This 'problem' is not going to end well. I fear for my children's children
Don't blame the immigrants, they're just like us trying to stay away from these nutters.
Somebody in the van on the way to the classic show at the nec at the weekend made me think, wouldn't the world be a wonderful place if these folk put they're energy into doing nice stuff instead, think what they could achieve.
:iagree
KK
Quote from: John Stenhouse on November 16, 2015, 12:55:22 PM
wouldn't the world be a wonderful place if these folk put they're energy into doing nice stuff instead, think what they could achieve.
+2
:iagree
me too. The terrorists will have succeeded if we start treating each other with (even more) suspicion.
Vive liberté, égalité, fraternité
:iagree.well said that man.
What annoys me is that most of these terrorist are known to the authorities. They've been allowed to leave and return from Syria. But we can't take action to prevent them killing people,because it would be again their human rights :icon_scratch:
You never hear anyone talk about the victims human rights :^_^
:icon_sad:
KK
I fear that each one of us could go on at length about this sorry state of affairs. We have to understand how pervasive the situation is. Yes, the majority of Muslim immigrants are probably very happy to live in their state sponsored housing and to receive their state financial handouts. But it is the thin end of the wedge, imho
Sorry for a rant. I just feel so sad for the families of the victims in Paris.
A little correction, these folk you are talking about are NOT immigrants, they are refugees, there's a world of difference, try to keep perspective. They're not in Canada or anywhere else through choice, I'm sure they wish they were at home in their own country where they speak the language, know the customs and are amongst friends.
Also for the Russian victims of the aircrash. In world affairs, you sometimes have to team with someone you don't like to combat a greater evil. The problem is, at the moment, there are layer upon layer of complex relations holding back progress.
Vlad Putin said yesterday that although our (UK / Russia) bilateral relations are not in great shape, it should not prevent us from helping each other with Da'ish (or Daesh, ISIS absolutely HATE being called that). More tellingly, during a BBC report from the G20 Summit yesterday, the focus was on the reporter in a side room where representatives were having a break between meetings. He was summarising the morning's events, but behind him in a corner, Barack Obama and Vlad Putin - with their respective translators - were having a coffee together and were deep in conversation. The body language (both sat on the edge of their seats leaning into the other over the table) suggested a deal was being struck.
I robbed these from FB today:
First a complex explanation of the current situation:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alastair-crooke/isis-wahhabism-saudi-arabia_b_5717157.html
Then an easier version:
The duffers guide to the Middle East (borrowed from elsewhere)
President Assad (who is bad) is a nasty guy who got so nasty his people rebelled and the Rebels (who are good) started winning (Hurrah!).
But then some of the rebels turned a bit nasty and are now called Islamic State ( who are definitely bad!) and some continued to support democracy (who are still good.)
So the Americans (who are good) started bombing Islamic State (who are bad) and giving arms to the Syrian Rebels (who are good) so they could fight Assad (who is still bad) which was good.
By the way, there is a breakaway state in the north run by the Kurds who want to fight IS ( which is a good thing ) but the Turkish authorities think they are bad, so we have to say they are bad whilst secretly thinking they're good and giving them guns to fight IS (which is good) but that is another matter.
Getting back to Syria.
So President Putin ( who is bad, cos he invaded Crimea and the Ukraine and killed lots of folks including that nice Russian man in London with polonium poisoned sushi ) has decided to back Assad (who is still bad) by attacking IS (who are also bad) which is sort of a good thing?
But Putin ( still bad ) thinks the Syrian Rebels (who are good) are also bad, and so he bombs them too, much to the annoyance of the Americans (who are good) who are busy backing and arming the rebels (who are also good).
Now Iran (who used to be bad, but now they have agreed not to build any nuclear weapons and bomb Israel are now good) are going to provide ground troops to support Assad (still bad) as are the Russians (bad) who now have ground troops and aircraft in Syria.
So a Coalition of Assad (still bad) Putin (extra bad) and the Iranians (good, but in a bad sort of way) are going to attack IS (who are bad) which is a good thing, but also the Syrian Rebels (who are good) which is bad.
Now the British (obviously good, except that nice Mr Corbyn in the corduroy jacket, who is probably bad) and the Americans (also good) cannot attack Assad (still bad) for fear of upsetting Putin (bad) and Iran (good / bad) and now they have to accept that Assad might not be that bad after all compared to IS (who are super bad).
So Assad (bad) is now probably good, being better than IS (but let's face it, drinking your own wee is better than IS so no real choice there) and since Putin and Iran are also fighting IS that may now make them Good. America (still Good) will find it hard to arm a group of rebels being attacked by the Russians for fear of upsetting Mr Putin (now good) and that nice mad Ayatollah in Iran (also Good) and so they may be forced to say that the Rebels are now Bad, or at the very least abandon them to their fate. This will lead most of them to flee to Turkey and on to Europe or join IS (still the only constantly bad group).
To Sunni Muslims, an attack by Shia Muslims (Assad and Iran) backed by Russians will be seen as something of a Holy War, and the ranks of IS will now be seen by the Sunnis as the only Jihadis fighting in the Holy War and hence many Muslims will now see IS as Good (Doh!)
Sunni Muslims will also see the lack of action by Britain and America in support of their Sunni rebel brothers as something of a betrayal (mmmm... might have a point) and hence we will be seen as Bad.
So now we have America (now bad) and Britain (also bad) providing limited support to Sunni Rebels (bad) many of whom are looking to IS (Good / bad) for support against Assad (now good) who, along with Iran (also Good) and Putin (also, now, unbelievably, Good) are attempting to retake the country Assad used to run before all this started?
I hope that clears all this up for you.
:new_all_coholic :new_all_coholic ah, I shee now :icon_eek:
Thanks (?) Bob
I had just posted a piece philosophising over the semantics of the difference between a refugee and a migrant. Changed my mind and deleted it because discussion on a motorcycle forum is not going to bring back the unfortunates who were killed in Paris.
Indeed Nick. Nor is any attempt to understand the motives of such evil people going to soften what they did. But listening to the news this morning it sounds like some of them are getting their comeuppance.