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Title: How upright is alright?
Post by: Nick Calne on July 07, 2016, 10:28:24 PM
A longer side stand (Supplied by Mr Sin Tiger :><) has my bike standing very upright.

Too much?  What'd ya think? Hard for a steamer owner to judge, being so used to it leaning right over!  I think it is just about ok!

(http://scontent-lhr3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/13626419_10153498625946862_4295624383028504066_n.jpg?oh=47bb710d976b38fc0eb05ac446e9fb91&oe=582D775A)

:nap
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: ghulst on July 07, 2016, 10:59:36 PM
I would love my Tiger to be so upright. :)
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: JoeDirt on July 07, 2016, 11:20:22 PM
Quote from: ghulst on July 07, 2016, 10:59:36 PM
I would love my Tiger to be so upright. :)

Well... the color is the same. :hat10
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: threepot on July 07, 2016, 11:50:25 PM
Looks OK Nick. I carry a block of wood around :icon_rolleyes:
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: nickjtc on July 08, 2016, 12:35:34 AM
And if you turn the front wheel to the left it will lean over a tad more.
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 08, 2016, 11:04:45 AM
Try this.

Full tank of fuel, luggage for a weekend camping, you fully dressed for riding sitting on the bike with the wheel straight. If the bike is still slightly to the left and you don't have to lean more than a couple of degrees to the right to swing the stand clear on flat hard ground then I feel that's safe. If not I nee to make you a slightly shorter one.

It's quite hard to be scientific with absolute measurements as there are so many factors involved.

If it's too long it's not a great drama to shorten it rather than the other way  :augie

Try rolling the wheels onto a 20mm plank and see how that feels. Just let me know and I can sort something out.
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: JayDub on July 08, 2016, 04:13:38 PM
Looks good to me Nick, allowing for the Persian rug and the position of the bars  :icon_biggrin: mine settled after a week too.
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: Geoff W on July 08, 2016, 09:56:08 PM
It looks similar to mine. I had my stand straightened totally by an engineering friend, using oxy-acetyline a scaffolding pole and a 3lb hammer. Works well, but be careful if parking on a camber, you may have to tilt the bike so far over to get the stand up that you approach the point of no return. :nap
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: ssevy on July 08, 2016, 11:03:07 PM
I re-bushed the pivot to get a better angle, and while it helped some, I still carry a hockey puck on a string in my jacket to use when I can't get a good parking spot. Hauling the big girl up off the side stand when she's fully packed on a trip really buggered up my lower back last spring, and I am still dealing with it, so I would say you are looking good. The point mentioned about having a good secure place to plant your right foot when taking her off the stand is an excellent point.
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: Nick Calne on July 08, 2016, 11:26:43 PM
I might start wearing a platform shoe on my right foot. Just to be sure...
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: ned37 on July 09, 2016, 05:06:54 PM
QuoteTry rolling the wheels onto a 20mm plank
got me thinking..  what do they call a 2x4 in a metric country? :^_^
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: Nick Calne on July 09, 2016, 05:36:10 PM
25 x 50mm is the designation for this construction timber size under the European system.

But I have yet to encounter anyone who actually calls it that here.
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: ghulst on July 09, 2016, 05:39:42 PM
Quote from: Nick Calne on July 09, 2016, 05:36:10 PM
25 x 50mm is the designation for this construction timber size under the European system.

But I have yet to encounter anyone who actually calls it that here.
Well, we'd call it by mm size, but I guess the UK doesn't really count as a metric country. (Just wondering what Brexit means to the measurement systems in the UK.  :bad )
On the other hand, I don't think we have 25x50mm like that. I think it is probably 24x something.
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: nickjtc on July 09, 2016, 06:13:56 PM
Wouldn't a 2x4 be a 50x100? We're almost metric here, but when it comes to wood stuff good old imperial is still in use.
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: JayDub on July 09, 2016, 07:35:03 PM
Thats the rough sawn sizes... if its planed then knock off 2-3mm  :icon_wink:
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: Nick Calne on July 09, 2016, 08:54:10 PM
Ha yeah 50 x 100mm! Not 25 x 50mm....
Title: How upright is alright?
Post by: ghulst on July 09, 2016, 10:08:51 PM
Quote from: Nick Calne on July 09, 2016, 08:54:10 PM
Ha yeah 50 x 100mm! Not 25 x 50mm....
LOL! And I didn't spot that one. Not good at calculations this morning I guess. ;)
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: nickjtc on July 10, 2016, 06:24:06 AM
Fwiw a 2x4 here measures 1.5x3.5. They remove half an inch in both directions.
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 10, 2016, 11:09:27 AM
Quote from: nickjtc on July 10, 2016, 06:24:06 AM
Fwiw a 2x4 here measures 1.5x3.5. They remove half an inch in both directions.

Can you explain CLS, never quite understood that
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: Nick Calne on July 10, 2016, 11:32:32 AM
The cls system provides guidance on sizing, strength testing etc. The numbers c16 c24 etc are the different strengths of timber. The higher the number the stronger the timber.

http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ttf.co.uk/Media/Download.aspx%3FMediaId%3D321&ved=0ahUKEwi82fiOy-jNAhXEDMAKHZz3AacQFggmMAU&usg=AFQjCNGdSoXckw_q7HafLTo8UBRK0i1XUQ (http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.ttf.co.uk/Media/Download.aspx%3FMediaId%3D321&ved=0ahUKEwi82fiOy-jNAhXEDMAKHZz3AacQFggmMAU&usg=AFQjCNGdSoXckw_q7HafLTo8UBRK0i1XUQ)
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: JayDub on July 10, 2016, 12:52:07 PM
 :nod its meant to ensure consistency of sizing, quality, moisture content, strength etc.
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: GavD on July 10, 2016, 04:55:36 PM
 :icon_scratch: What's this got to do with Nicks sidestand? :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: nickjtc on July 10, 2016, 05:04:04 PM
Quote from: GavD on July 10, 2016, 04:55:36 PM
:icon_scratch: What's this got to do with Nicks sidestand? :icon_scratch:

Absolutely nothing! :*&*
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 10, 2016, 08:33:55 PM
Quote from: GavD on July 10, 2016, 04:55:36 PM
:icon_scratch: What's this got to do with Nicks sidestand? :icon_scratch:

A technical discussion on a vital part of most Steamer side stand  :nod
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: GavD on July 10, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
You said it was made of 4mm wall tube last weekend, not 4 by 2! :icon_scratch:
Title: Re: How upright is alright?
Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 11, 2016, 01:44:57 AM
Quote from: GavD on July 10, 2016, 09:37:10 PM
You said it was made of 4mm wall tube last weekend, not 4 by 2! :icon_scratch:

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