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Title: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: beefos on August 07, 2016, 06:46:13 PM
After fixing the sprag the bike is nearly there.
The good news is it started very easily, the bad news is the oil light stayed on......!
I only let it run for about 3 seconds as I was watching for the oil light.

Any suggestions on fault finding?
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: tankerman on August 07, 2016, 10:49:25 PM
Take the plugs out and spin it over on the starter. See if the oil light goes out then. Also check wire connections.
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: beefos on August 07, 2016, 11:09:04 PM
I did turn it over with the plugs out and the light stayed on. I thought it maybe wasn't fast enough hence I put the plugs in and fired it up.  Pulling the wire from the sensor the light turns off so there must be continuity in the wiring. I did check the connector is fully home.
I remember a Triumph mechanic tell me some time back that he uses  a bung to help the pump build pressure after a rebuild but can't remember where he put the bung or how it worked...
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: Sin_Tiger on August 08, 2016, 12:06:01 AM
A positive displacement pump with a positive supply of oil will build pressure pretty quickly. I hate to say this but I think you've missed something or knocked something out of connection/alignment  :BangHead
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: GavD on August 08, 2016, 01:34:44 PM
Or it's a dodgy oil pressure switch, think I'm on my 3rd or 4th now.
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: Sin_Tiger on August 08, 2016, 02:16:54 PM
Quote from: GavD on August 08, 2016, 01:34:44 PM
Or it's a dodgy oil pressure switch, think I'm on my 3rd or 4th now.

True,  easy enough to check with a bit of air pressure.
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: beefos on August 08, 2016, 02:43:28 PM
I didn't remove the sensor during the rebuild but I suppose being exposed to the atmosphere and moisture could have damaged it.
How would I check this? Pump air into the crankcase breather? 
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: Sin_Tiger on August 08, 2016, 03:19:58 PM
NOOOOOOOO  :bug_eye take it off and do it on the bench. Too much chance of damaging seals.
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: beefos on August 08, 2016, 03:52:01 PM
Ok Ok ..  :)  It is on top of the crankcase so looks easy enough to take out, I shall try it tonight when I get home
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: Mustang on August 08, 2016, 05:55:38 PM
sprag clutch repair you say ?...................................

guess what drives the oil pump ?

any guesses ?

:^_^




:m





the gears that drive the drive shaft for the sprag clutch also turns the oil pump as well as the alternator   :nod


I'm thinking somewhere along the reassembly something went astray  :bad
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: beefos on August 08, 2016, 08:53:38 PM
The alternator is turning ok so hopefully the pump is also turning. .....hopefully!!
I took the cam oil feed off and it looks very dry which is concerning.

I'm still wondering what the Triumph mechanic was meaning when he talked about using a bung to get the oil moving?
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: Timbox2 on August 08, 2016, 09:07:39 PM
Dunno if this would do it but after a quick scan through my T300 manual  saw this?

(http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g132/cockneytaff/Oil%20Pump_zpshgnjlick.jpg)
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: beefos on August 08, 2016, 09:27:25 PM
Yes I fitted new o rings

Am I being a wuss and need to run it longer?
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: Sin_Tiger on August 08, 2016, 10:01:17 PM
Quote from: beefos on August 08, 2016, 09:27:25 PM
Yes I fitted new o rings

Am I being a wuss and need to run it longer?

Nope, somethings amiss in there, bite the bullet and chalk it up to experience.

I wondered what the mechanic was on about too  :icon_scratch: that will work with centrifugal pumps that are struggling with a suction that's not flooded but all it will do with a gear pump is stop the fluid coming through. Sounds like something he read on the web of lies and repeated without understanding the principles involved.
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: beefos on August 09, 2016, 12:18:35 AM
On the advice of another friend who happens to build sidecars I removed the oil pressure switch, there was no sign of oil so I syringed oil into the switch hole. Then with the switch back in I turned it over without fuel and bingo the light went out. Then fuel on and ran it for a while and the light stayed out.
Maybe the oil I syringed in helped prime the pump?
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: Sin_Tiger on August 09, 2016, 12:30:57 AM
 It's possible you had an air lock but I can't figure out how hat  :icon_scratch: but that's a handy thing to know and I'll bet there was a huge sigh when that light went out  :wings
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: beefos on August 09, 2016, 03:16:46 PM
Yes - very relieved!!!
Possibly an air lock and the oil from the opposite direction helped drag the oil through...
Title: Re: oil light on after rebuild
Post by: BruKen on August 10, 2016, 01:05:37 PM
I've been following this with some interest. After rebuilding my engine the oil pressure light flickered  for the first couple minutes or so and then settled in and never had a problem since. I wondered at the time if it was a priming issue but as it was the first time I had ever started the engine was more concerned that it sounded like a tin of nuts and bolts being shaken vigorously. My dismay was absolute and to be frank was beyond caring about oil at the time. Subsequently I found out they all sound like that and indeed mine better than most. Fantastic bikes, but I every time I take it in for a MOT and hear the mechs revving her up in the garage I still cringe. 
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