And four other new models. They still seem to be under the impression the Tiger is about to morph into a Multistrada kind of thing, 17'' front wheel etc. I sincerely hope not, this is of absolutely zero interest to me as a potential replacement. Reckon I 'll be keeping the old girl a bit longer.
(For non UK members MCN is a weekly motorcycle rag, partial to filling up pages with a load of crap i,e. More Crap & Nonsense, and has been known to be taken in by the odd hoax).
The marketing people at Triumph get shrewder by the day,they'll sell boat loads of e'm,Greg you might want an offroader but Triumph on their own admitance will tell the Tiger isn't an offroader,and the market for that kind of thing is tiny,and it's all about shifting units.
Triumph have been cute enough to set up in the opposite camp to BM,what i do find funny a couple of weeks ago in the comic it was just a fuzzy picture and little else,not so fuzzy picture this week and more detail!!!,the chances are i might not buy one either!!!,haveing changed brakes,suspension and just about to change wheels for the third time!!,but what is it they say?? never say never!!.
I can understand Triumph wanting to tap into niche markets, after all that's their specialist subject as a comparatively small volume manufacturer. What I do find difficult to believe is they would dump the Tiger as a touring machine, but then again they dumped the Trophy. I just hope these new models turn out to be "variations" of the present Tiger and pray we still have an upright tourer with leaky luggage an'all!
Long live the Tiger! 8)
As much as I adore my 955i, seeing the trend of the newer Tigers away from "adventure" touring my next bike most likely will not be a Triumph. I spend literally thousands of miles fully loaded touring on unpaved back roads. I need a bike that is rugged, yet comfortable. I have taken my 955 places that it really had no business being, yet, it did it without complaint.
If I was to be in the market for a Tiger replacement in the next year or so, it would probably be the new version of the KTM Adventure. They are bumping the displacement to 990 and putting fuel injection on it. I would need to instantly put a Corbin, or other seat on it, but I could make it work.
Sasquatch
If thats what your bikeing is about i reckon you bought the wrong bike in the first place,the Katoom is a hard nosed offroader,the Tiger is a pretend one.
Just because Triumph are saying supermoto,why should it affect it's touring capabilities???,my Tiger has used Super moto wheels for that last four years,it's been every where from the Polish boarder to southern Italy,Spain,Portugal,and the South of France more times than i can remember,with no end of 7/8/9 hundred miles days,i've found it steers better and sticks to the road like glue,with decent rubber instead of those mickey mouse trail tyres that go belly up when you've been rideing hard for an hour.
With the advent of the 1200 BMW GS and now the new fuel injected 990 KTM Adventure, Triumph must upgrade the Tiger.
Whatever it is, I hope they use the 1050 cc engine. And from a strategic point of view that displacment puts them right where they like to be.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Sasquatch
If thats what your bikeing is about i reckon you bought the wrong bike in the first place,the Katoom is a hard nosed offroader,the Tiger is a pretend one.
Just because Triumph are saying supermoto,why should it affect it's touring capabilities???,my Tiger has used Super moto wheels for that last four years,it's been every where from the Polish boarder to southern Italy,Spain,Portugal,and the South of France more times than i can remember,with no end of 7/8/9 hundred miles days,i've found it steers better and sticks to the road like glue,with decent rubber instead of those mickey mouse trail tyres that go belly up when you've been rideing hard for an hour.
I chose the perfect bike, thank you. At the time (KTM was just releasing), there was no other bike out there besides the GS that could ride 1000 miles of pavement, then do 4 days of an off road adventure, jump back on the freeway and ride 1000+ miles home in comfort.
The KTM is much better when the pavement ends, but is not quite comfortable enough on the pavement for those long hauls, at least for me. My hopes is that the new bigger KTM motor plus fuel injection, smooths out the street charaistics a bit. Then it will be a winner!
The newer Tigers, starting with the '06 have given up just too much of the dirt abilities for me. Cast wheels, less travel in the suspension, etc. Now I am not talking about single track "dirt bike" trails, but I will spend days on end wandering the unpaved backroads of the western US.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"The marketing people at Triumph get shrewder by the day,they'll sell boat loads of e'm,Greg you might want an offroader but Triumph on their own admitance will tell the Tiger isn't an offroader,and the market for that kind of thing is tiny,and it's all about shifting units.
The market for off roaders is tiny? So you're saying a lot more Tigers get sold than GSs? Right. Maybe be over there.
My local BMW dealer can't keep GSs in stock...and the only ad campaign I remember seeing for them was the 'some people polish their bikes on the weekends' one where the guy splashes down through the river.
Conversely my local Triumph dealer just managed to sell the one Tiger he's had in stock for over a year. Big seller.
I've never seen a single super-moto bike on the street here in the Northeast US. Ever. Hope it's a craze that never gets here...
Hi guys,
some info needed about a new Tiger?
A british bike like the one shown on the pic in another thread was seen on a racetrac in Germany (120hp 1050ccm but with 19/17"tyres) - but I thinks it will come with 17/17.
But a new tiger with the smaller 675engingine seems to be a rumor...
A bike with more offroad capability isnt planed at the time.
cu online or offroad
McB
QuoteMy local BMW dealer can't keep GSs in stock...and the only ad campaign I remember seeing for them was the 'some people polish their bikes on the weekends' one where the guy splashes down through the river.
Conversely my local Triumph dealer just managed to sell the one Tiger he's had in stock for over a year. Big seller.
Not true here in B'ham. AL I've seen GS's sit for quit a while on the showroom floor before being sold. Theyv'e had a HP2 for so long they
are about to change the decals on it an make it an HP3. :smt039
The Tigers here are fewer and farther between and I think it makes it a lot more unique as compared to the GS. I have owned the GS and the Tiger. I liked/loved them both. For the money the Tiger is far and away the better deal.
Blimey Mudhen looks you've really been suckered,by the BM marketing dept or have been watching to much of the Long Wat Round!!!offroad= GS!!!! what kind of distorted view is that???,i'd say most people who buy GS's buy e'm because they prefer an aircooled flat twin with shaft drive and the majority of e'm do their off roading going through a puddle in the local supermarket car park!!!!,just like 99% of all the others who buy big trail,or adventure bikes or what ever you want to call e'm there the alternative to buying a big tourer
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Blimey Mudhen looks you've really been suckered,by the BM marketing dept or have been watching to much of the Long Wat Round!!!offroad= GS!!!! what kind of distorted view is that???,i'd say most people who buy GS's buy e'm because they prefer an aircooled flat twin with shaft drive and the majority of e'm do their off roading going through a puddle in the local supermarket car park!!!!,just like 99% of all the others who buy big trail,or adventure bikes or what ever you want to call e'm there the alternative to buying a big tourer
You aren't kidding dude...I got sucked in by the mighty BMW marketing machine 100%. I wasn't experienced enough to know just how much skill it takes to ride a 530lb bike off road...but the guys in the pictures do it!?!? :roll:
I totally agree that the vast majority of people don't use their GSs and big traillies the way I used/use mine. But I do think that a lot of people buy them for the same reason I bought mine - getting older, families, responsibilities....yet craving some sort of adventure. So they see a bike with knobs, skid plates, etc, and see the ads of the bike being ridden in all sorts of gnarly terrain and buy into it.
Just like ads of sportscars being pushed to their limits...or Jeeps out in the woods driving through rivers...most people will never use them that way, but the companies still market them that way to sell them.
Has Triumph ever had an ad campaign or anything to push the Tiger??
QuoteMy local BMW dealer can't keep GSs in stock...and the only ad campaign I remember seeing for them was the 'some people polish their bikes on the weekends' one where the guy splashes down through the river.
Conversely my local Triumph dealer just managed to sell the one Tiger he's had in stock for over a year. Big seller.
Yeah, that's me. When I asked the boys at the dealer how many they sell in a year, they told me about a dozen. I bought their last 05 last week. It has been the only one there since at least September. I don't think they moved 11 bikes in 9 months and then struggled to sell 1 bike in 4 months. :smt017 I have NEVER seen one on the road around here.
By the way, for what it's worth he also said a completely new Tiger will be out for 07. Says bags will be optional, new motor, all new looks, more street worthy, and should be a fair amount more $$. Kinda does sound like a Multistrada.
... but then again, they are basing this on a rather murky photo... yes it's a traily type bike with 17" wheels (that's all you can tell), but at least the pics of the other 4 new Triumphs are a lot clearer... I wouldn't be surprised if it used the new 675 motor. Triumph aren't daft, they know that most Tiger users are more into the Touring role... surely a trendy "supermoto" version would at least be "in adition to" rather than replacing...
I'll scan the full double page spread tomorrow and post a link to it, then you guys who haven't seen it can decide for yourselves...
G' Night
Russ
I don't see much point in all the speculation. I'm tempted by the KTM990 Adventure but I'll wait to see what happens in the 2007 range.
For me, a modern replacement for the R80GS would be ideal. Maybe a Tiger675 with 100bhp, 175Kgs.
Quote from: "Blacktiger"For me, a modern replacement for the R80GS would be ideal. Maybe a Tiger675 with 100bhp, 175Kgs.
80 bhps at 175 kg would be fine by me.
Have fun!
Patrick
I've no problem with speculation,it's interesting and free!!!,as far as Tigers go i'm still in the the process of building the one that i want,as for my next bike,it'll be an St Sprint as well as,but that doesn't stop me showing a interest in whats to come with new Tiger.
Latest MCN
Well there's your Tiger!!!!! love it our hate.
Latest MCN
Well there's your Tiger!!!!! love it our hate it.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Latest MCN
Well there's your Tiger!!!!! love it our hate it.
Damn you Canning!!! :x
I'm guessing the new issue of MCN has a real picture in it????? I can't find anything online....argh....
Oh, other than this pic of the new 'sports tourer'. Guess that says it all!
(http://www.motorcyclenews.com/jpeg/403/10204081.jpeg)
Looks more like a Multistrada than a Tiger. Still, I suppose you could call it a Multistrada that doesn't breakdown.
I heard they actually built it off the SV platform...a joint venture between Triumph and Suzuki... :smt042
Hmmm, do I see upside down forks ??
Hi guys,
For those that don't get MCN, here's a slightly better view. Swingarm looks tasty!
Russ
P.S. The article says the bike is registered as a 1050cc (they checked reg. no. with DVLA)
it won't attach a 240kb jpeg... oh well
Whilst all this speculation is interesting, it does get tiresome. I think we still have no pictures of a finished bike or more importantly a release date and I'm sick of waiting.
Yesterday I picked up a copy of MCN on my way to the Triumph dealership to order a new 06 plate Tiger. The current bike already does everything I want and I'm happy to put money where my mouth is to buy a third, and maybe last, "classic" Tiger.
Roll on 1st of March....
Quote from: "kiwitiger"Hmmm, do I see upside down forks ??
Yes, USD forks, radial brakes, braced swingarm etc..that's the good stuff.
The bad stuff was :- non adjustable screen, no rack, effin' great top box fitted to rear seat.
It's not the finished article because the cylinder block was silver whilst the rest of the engine was black.
Mind you it could have been a cobbled together pile of shite made by a courrier out of spares from a breakers yard. :roll:
Looks like my next bike will be a GS, if Triumph is going where it looks like they do.
Here`s a pic-link, I`v given up posting pictures on this site.
http://www.triumphtiger.net/Grafikk/F___Triumph.jpg (http://www.triumphtiger.net/Grafikk/F___Triumph.jpg)
SAVE THE TIGER!!!
Quote from: "norwegian-tiger"Looks like my next bike will be a GS, if Triumph is going where it looks like they do.
Here`s a pic-link, I`v given up posting pictures on this site.
http://www.triumphtiger.net/Grafikk/F___Triumph.jpg (http://www.triumphtiger.net/Grafikk/F___Triumph.jpg)
SAVE THE TIGER!!!
Amen, brother...amen.
Here's a pic of the '08 version...you may notice that they've gone to an even smaller tank and smaller wheels - which will make it even better, according to Triumph's logic.
(http://mudhen.smugmug.com/photos/53267517-O.jpg)
To be continued ... Pix from the Katalog-Shooting of the New Tiger 07! A great bike!!!
http://www.elclubtriumph.com (http://www.elclubtriumph.com)
wolf :lol:
I'm glad I got my '06.
I can see both side of this particular coin, but for my money Triumph are going the right way with the '07 Tiger.
They should have done it with the MK2 (EFi), and they would have been streets ahead of the game.
I was looking at the KTM 950 SM earlier this week and have to admit to being tempted, but I'm going to wait and see what the new Tiger is like in the real world.
It's going to take quite some bike to make me part with my '97 Steamer!
Before the Tiger I had a 1994 Yamaha TDM850 which was very good but for the gear box which was very very bad!
I quite like something that little bit different, sports bikes just don't do it for me, tourers are a bit bland though very compitent.
Triumph are quite good at creating 'niche bikes' and the new Tiger could well just be another one?
Roll on the new Tiger, I hope they sell by the boat load!
Regards,
Tiger Feet.
I'm new to the Triumph marque, after 15 yrs with Honda, Africa twins followed by a Varadero I decided as Honda would not replace the Africa I decided to try a change. The Varadero wasn't it.
The Tiger's an interesting bike, after two months I'm just getting used to it. I do a few miles offroad every week and a couple of days ago I recall going down a forest track thinking I wouldn't attempt it with a sports bike. The Tiger meets my needs, an 04. If the new one also meets my needs then yes, I'd be interested, if not, I'll move on. Not down the BMW road though, not my cup of tea! I don't fancy the KTM either, too focussed.
Not Aprillia, not Suzuki, definately not Kawasaki, well, we'll cross that bridge when it comes.
Just thought I'd share my thoughts.
Well I for one will be keeping my 04 till its dead and rusted out. I'm not pleased with the directiion Triumph is taking the Tiger. I bought a tiger because it suits my riding here in Alaska and the 07 just doesn't cut it.
No thanks I will wait untill Triumph realalizes there misstake and brings the Tiger back
:(
I like it and I'd buy one
A quick count of this thread shows 11 'no's, and 4 'yes'.
So if the Tiger never sold well in the past to all of us, I guess they may be headed in a better direction for themselves.
Sucks that a cool name like 'Tiger' will now be on some pansy anti-adventure streetbike... :jerkit
Thats some statement comeing from someone who hasn't exactly helped the Triumph coffers!!!!,current model Sir (05/06)?? one before that(01/04)?? or the one before that(885i)???.
Triumph will sell thousands of e'm,because that's were the market is,thats why nearly every off road!!!! GS you see has 020's on it!!!! at the launch of the GS 1200 the guys i spoke to were on their 5th or 6th one,regardless of what you or i think of e'm thats make the manafactures tick over.
Both bike manafactures and tyre producers are years ahead of the game.
Well if the Tiger has never really sold well I guess they must think it's worth trying to do something a bit different with it?
They did it with the speed triple and that worked?
Tigers have always sold well on main land Europe, where big trail/adventure bikes have been popular for years.
They value the versitility and load lugging distance eating capabilities over outright performance?
The dominance of the 'sports bike' in bike culture in the UK and US hasn't grabbed Europe in quite the same way.
But things change and bike sectors are no exception, they seem to be getting more defused with more models chasing the buyers?
I'm still going to wait to see it for real before making my mind up though, then try to find the money, if I want one?
Regards,
Tiger Feet.
Tigers never sold well? I seem to recall Triumph releasing the 06 early because the 05's were gone. I have to agree they are going where the market share is but that doesn't mean it works for some us real motorcyclists. I am not knocking anyone just getting into Motorcyling in fact I welcome them but the tiger was always an experienced rider bike and if they didn't sell enough of them it was because some riders are just not tall enough for a Tiger.
I don't like the looks of the '07. It might be okay for one of my kids, but the design changes have elimated the features I purchased an '06 for. Passenger capacity looks nil. Load capacity the same. It doesn't look as comfortable for long trips. It's rough-road capability seems less than the current model. I don't think the current Tiger is a real dirt bike, but hey - there are a lot of dirt roads, where I live. Less ground clearance, and it's not as tall. I like sitting high enough to look over at that double-cab Chevy doolie next to me, to find I'm just as high or higher than the idiot sitting inside.
Yeah, I'm glad I bought an '06. If I wanted a Speed Triple, I would have gotten one. That's what this thing looks like, to me. An S3 with a little fairing. My #2 son might be interested in it, but I'm not. It's sad, because the Tiger used to be one of the few unique bikes available in the U.S.. Maybe they haven't sold like hotcakes over here, but I doubt this new version is going to do anything to improve that.
Oh, well...
... and it looks like, that ther will be a 17" version, a 19" version and a 675cc too. So dont damn it - wait and see!! There will be something in for everyone! Mark my words!
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Thats some statement comeing from someone who hasn't exactly helped the Triumph coffers!!!!,current model Sir (05/06)?? one before that(01/04)?? or the one before that(885i)???.
I would have bought one, but I read the owners manual and they said you can't use it off road. So f'em.
If there had been a Tiger sitting in my local dealers showroom with skidplates and knobbies back when I was getting my GS, there's no question in my mind that I would have bought one. But the GS just looked like such an awesome go-anywhere adventure bike, that's where my money went.
Knowing what I know now...with todays current offerings...I'd probably have a Sprint for my commute, and some sort of 610/640/650 for all my other riding. Nobody makes a bike that can do both. Hopefully you have some real insider information, carvetiger, and aren't just yanking our chains. I could use a 675 Tiger to pull double-duty and save me from my Steamer!
Hi mudhen, I know what you're saying here, there was a bike that did eveything you say, Honda's Africa twin. Designed for the Paris-Dakar, it was the ultimate onroad/offroad bike. I've owned five of them over the last decade. The bike was great offroad, would cruise at over 100mph, loaded with luggage it would tour continents (I did, all over Europe) good gas mileage and easy to service.
Unfortunately 04 was the last of them. Honda now offer the 650 Trans alp and the 1000 Varadero, neither bike are designed for offroad use. Hence I now have a Tiger. If the Tiger goes less offroad oriented I'll have to move on I suppose. If I wanted a bike for heavy offroad use I would have bought a Honda XR but no real touring ability. I find the Tiger meets my needs, on and off road (forest tracks). We'll just have to wait and see.
I'd love to see all of you come on down to Hiawassee, GA to the Tiger Ride-In .... and tell us all your riding experiences.
For me ... a nice twisty road is just fine. I live where 'super-slab' rules and it's a good 5-8 hours to a road with a turn. So we make do.
Come see us!
Quote from: "TigerTrax"I'd love to see all of you come on down to Hiawassee, GA to the Tiger Ride-In .... and tell us all your riding experiences.
For me ... a nice twisty road is just fine. I live where 'super-slab' rules and it's a good 5-8 hours to a road with a turn. So we make do.
Come see us!
I'm planning on going (it's almost local for me!) and I am hoping to camp..not sure yet. I've not met many other Tiger riders in some time.