Not that we have much say, but if you could recomend modifications to Triumph for the future Tiger, what would it be?
I'd pick:
Heated grips & Centerstand standard
some cosmetic redesign of the front tank/fairing area
better sump/header protection
Quote from: "BigDave"I'd pick:
Heated grips & Centerstand standard
They must have heard you :shock:
How about Tubeless rims ?
Quote from: "RobZ"Quote from: "BigDave"I'd pick:
Heated grips & Centerstand standard
They must have heard you :shock:
How about Tubeless rims ?
I don't think so. Not for '04(US)
Remember the MCN info was BS at best.
As much as I'd LOVE tubless spoked rims, they'd have to get them from BMW & I don't think that is happening anytime soon. :twisted:
Instruments that are visible in light conditions other than broad daylight or pitch black.
" As much as I'd LOVE tubless spoked rims, they'd have to get them from BMW & I don't think that is happening anytime soon. "
Aprillia has Tubeless spoked rims, do they get them from BMW?
Quote from: "NortonCharlie"Aprillia has Tubeless spoked rims, do they get them from BMW?
My understanding is that Aprillia gets them from BMW because the Aprillia orginally made the F650GS for BMW.
Quote from: "NortonCharlie"" As much as I'd LOVE tubless spoked rims, they'd have to get them from BMW & I don't think that is happening anytime soon. "
Aprillia has Tubeless spoked rims, do they get them from BMW?
I've heard of too many bent or broken spokes on the BMWs to want theirs.
I must have missed the post letting us know the heated grips were na internet hoax :D :D
Quote from: "RobZ"Quote from: "NortonCharlie"" As much as I'd LOVE tubless spoked rims, they'd have to get them from BMW & I don't think that is happening anytime soon. "
Aprillia has Tubeless spoked rims, do they get them from BMW?
I've heard of too many bent or broken spokes on the BMWs to want theirs.
I must have missed the post letting us know the heated grips were na internet hoax :D :D
Really? I didn't know they had troubles with those rims. Pretty common problem?
I guess time will tell on the heated grips/centerstand rumor. At least based on current info on the Triumph website and new dealer product info (US) their will be no standard heatedgrips/centerstand.
Heated grips
Centerstand
Take the eyelashes off the fairing over the headlights
MX - looking handlebars
Tubeless wheels (spoked or not)
Extra power plug
Standard crashbars - maybe even a GS-Adventure treatment of some kind as an option.....probably need the spoked rims for that....love to see a "street version" and an "adventure" version - street would have Daytona/Speed Triple engine in it's regular tune.
Oh yeah, and bring back the dual pipes......
Doug
You know what? I'm just going to come out and say it. Get rid of the frikkin' tiger stripes altogether.......I wouldn't ride another bike because of it, but the new Tigers honestly look to me like my kids did the graphics-just a little on the tacky side.
Now......lessee.....where the hell did I put my flame-retardant pants..... :lol:
Doug
:cry: :lol:
Are you sure thats all Doug? :lol:
"Are you sure thats all Doug?"
No. The street edition would definitely need a 180 series tire on the back.
Now I'm done. :-#
:D
~A more aggressive pipe. (I have the triumph 'off-road' can and its still too timid, IMO)
~Real 'bear trap' type pegs.
~easily adjustable front fork.
~Don't make the oil specs such that you have to buy the over-priced Triumph Oil specially bottled by mobil.
~Improved sump and header protection. (as previously mentioned)
Concerning the graphics:
I would like to see the graphics applied after the clear coat so the owner could remove what he saw fit. If I could, I would probably remove all the stripes.
Pawk Said:
"I would like to see the graphics applied after the clear coat so the owner could remove what he saw fit. If I could, I would probably remove all the stripes."
Good call, Pawk. On the older Tigers, if you remove the rubber foot peg covers, there are actually claw-type MX footpegs underneath.....out of curiosity, I assume this isn't true of the new ones?
Doug
1- Better/bigger windscreen /front end to lessen the buffeting and noise.
2- Flatter seat so you don't slide up and nearly sit on the gas tank.
3- Shaft drive
4- Centerstand ...as long as it's well designed ( out of the way in corners)
5- better brakes ...especially rear ( I have a 99 and even with new pads
it's not the most confidence inspriring ) not a big deal really.
6- less noisy less high reving tuned motor. something that doesn't sound like
its about to detonate above 5.5 k rpm.
7- honda st1300 motor....see # 6 ....maybe even a 1000 cc....i'm not greedy.
What about functional ABS? (optional)
Agree with comments from others, but also would like to see Triumph put some real thought into their engineering. Make the bike easier to maintain too (drive sprockets, chain maintanence, filters, etc.). Oh, and it has to stay a Triple!!
Skoron
More leg room for us ultra-tall types.
Redesign seat.
Someplace to hang some highway-pegs.
I can't see the turn signal light in the sun.
Accurate fuel guage.
$1000 hard cases should be freakin' waterproof!
BMSBIKE
'02 Black (Hobbes)
BTW: I love the tiger stripes / eye-lashes!
Quote from: "dag221"1- Better/bigger windscreen /front end to lessen the buffeting and noise.
2- Flatter seat so you don't slide up and nearly sit on the gas tank.
3- Shaft drive
4- Centerstand ...as long as it's well designed ( out of the way in corners)
5- better brakes ...especially rear ( I have a 99 and even with new pads
it's not the most confidence inspriring ) not a big deal really.
6- less noisy less high reving tuned motor. something that doesn't sound like
its about to detonate above 5.5 k rpm.
7- honda st1300 motor....see # 6 ....maybe even a 1000 cc....i'm not greedy.
sounds like you really don't want a Tiger.
I like the chain drive-easier to regear, easier to moniter for wear, cheaper to fix.
I like the motor-sweet spot seems to be around 6500, pulls from about 3500- not really high reving unless you compare it to a harley or some such antiquated design.
The 950 is already pushing wretched excess for a dualsport bike -1300? you must be joking!
The brakes are about right for less than stellar road surfaces; went riding with some GS boys over the weekend and they turned the ABS off after they remembered to- it's counterproductive in the loose stuff
The seat and the buffetting don't seem like a problem on my steamer, but I did my apprenticeship on unfaired Brit iron from the sixties and seventies- complaints about noise, vibration and buffetting sound like the mewling of spoiled candyassed pansies to me :P
I would like to see Triumph improve the design from a home maintanance perspective, improve the suspension(can we have adjustments to increase the ground clearance too?) fix some of the stupid economies they built into the bike(such as the fragile fuel disconnects in the EFI bikes, and the fasteners that tend to round off or pull the threaded inserts)
Tubeless rims would be OK if they can get the spoked design-cast wheels are not suitable for the rough. I would like to see them make a full on Dakar style bike and maybe a motard model to address the two camps-street oriented and dirt oriented dualies.
Red
What, no factory installed side car option?
Skoron
ummm...my wish list?
The new chassis with the skin of the Steamer. :P
or at least sealed rims
Redesigned body work.
Crash bars.
Firmer front forks
When I park my bike..people think it's a tank. I will only replace my '98 with one that has that same effect and feel.
Quote from: "skoron"Red
What, no factory installed side car option?
Skoron
Nope. It would be fun, of course, but Triumph is already sorta a niche in the market. I would be the first to admit: sidecars are not for everyone :lol:
Shaft drive. Why do bike manufacturers still make us put up with chains? They're completely inappropriate except for specialised racing machines.
Quote from: "raych"Shaft drive. Why do bike manufacturers still make us put up with chains? They're completely inappropriate except for specialised racing machines.
Why do you say that? Modern chains will last many thousands of miles without problems, adjustment on the Tiger is dead simple, lubing and inspection are easy. If you have ever done the spline lube and lash adjustment recommended by BMW as routine maintanance, or suffered a final drive or driveshaft failure you might think twice about a shaft drive being the end all and be all design.
For a long travel suspension, for ease of changing drive ratios, for light weight and minimal power loss, for simplicity of design the chain drive seems to be superior.
Check out this thread, 'specially towards the end. Sounds like BMW still hasn't got it right!
Have a friend who had an Airhead GS with the paralever. If I remember correctly he lost the tranny, the driveshaft and the final drive at different times. He strikes me as being fairly meticulous about upkeep and tho he did long rides, he doesn't flog the bike offroad. His bikes are always clean and well kept. He has had a couple BMWs since that one but is thinking seriously about the newmonster Triumph cruiser. Shaft drive too(slow learner, that one) :roll:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24252
I clipped this from the ADVrider thread; let me go a little further. TRIUMPH, if you are listening, PLEASE DO NOT GIVE US A BMW STYLE SHAFT DRIVE ADVENTURE BIKE! The problems these guys saw with the clutch drive mirrors what I have seen with the older /2~/6 Airheads- ya gotta pull the final drive and ass end off the bike and drop the transmission to lube the clutch splines at least annually. Final drive bearing failures are not uncommon. I will stick with a wet clutch and chain and sprockets, thank you. Much easier to inspect and service.Even on the Steamer, with it's idiotic sprocket cover that requires you drain the oil to check or service the front sprocket and dumps all the mud that lodged behind the sprocket into the sump when you remove it-WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?
Re: Phone call from BMW NA - rear drive failure
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Said GSAnderson:
So there I was, trying to get some work done this afternoon. The phone rings and the caller says she's from from BMW and asks about the rear drive bearing failure I had on my GS and the thread about it I posted on a discussion board. I ask "Which board?" and she tells me ADVRider. It seems their "internet team" alerted her to my post.
I go on to explain about my '03 Adventure and the rear drive bearing failure I experienced last week with just under 22K on the odometer. I told her about my '00 RT and its rear drive bearing failure last year at 48K. I mention I bought BMW for the reputation of reliability and that I wanted a bike with which I could cross the country with confidence and ride 100K miles without a major mechanical failure. I told her my dealer (Moon Motors in Monticello) has done a great job repairing these two failures, and I was very satisfied with them.
Well, BMW is lurking. Welcome to the asylum. Open a beer. Listen to your customers. Fix our bikes.
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Well, kudos to BMW I guess for tuning into the discussion boards. They must realize that it is an invaluable source of information on customer opinions.
I'm in the same boat. I've been a long time BMW motorcycle owner, but I'm seriuosly thinking of dumping my GS and going Japanese (or English or Italian). I've owned three BMWs and two of them have experienced failures of the splines on the input shaft of the transmission. The latest is on my 2002 1150GS with 28k miles on it. A good part of those miles were highway miles. Those clutch splines should have looked like new when I took the tranny out just to lube them. The wrench at the dealer told me that they should be lubed every 40 k miles. I've never seen anything in writing that says anything about a service interval on the spline lube, but I figured I'd go ahead and do it anyway. I figured I was being ultra conservative doing it at 28k miles. I expected the splines to look like new. I was shocked to find out that they were very nearly shot. A couple thousand more miles tops and I'd have been walking. This after just getting back from a 6,000 mile romp around the country in mostly sparsely populated areas without a BMW dealer anywhere to be seen. If those splines had given up out there, it would have turned a long anticipated vacation into a nightmare.
The bad thing is that I can't come up with any explanation for the failure. I can accept that sometimes things go wrong, and motorcycles get put together wrong, so they fail prematurely. But there was nothing wrong. The splines were lubed at the factory. I could still see lube on the splines. I could even see where some had been slung off the slines onto the pressure plate. I don't drive the bike hard. I ride very conservatively. No wheelies. No (OK almost no) jack-rabbit starts. Like I said, a good deal of the miles were highway miles that should have put almost no wear on the clutch splines. The clutch probably had the equivalent of 15 or 20 k miles of in town driving.
As a bonus, I found that the two final drive pivot bearings were shot too. Same story. I could see that they were lubed at the factory, but they wore out anyway. I could understand it if I did a large amount of off road riding, but I am ashamed to admit that I used it very little off road. No reason for them to fail, but they did.
I know I can get a Tiger or a Vstrom for way less than a BMW. I was convinced that the legendary BMW reliability was worth the price difference. Now as my bike sits in my garage in a million pieces with the input shaft on back order (its been two weeks now, and no one can tell me when I can expect a replacement), I'm having serious second thoughts.
Worst part-
It looks to me like if I want to prevent another toasted input shaft, I will need to lube the splines about every 10k - 15k miles. Any further than that and I'd be risking wearing the splines on the input shaft. That means that at least once a year, I have to remove the transmission. That's a pretty big job. Kind of makes you start thinking about that legendary reliability.
New Tiger Owners
Help me with this on the new bikes. Do you still need to drop the carbs to replace the air filter?
Do you still have to drain the oil and pull off the side cover to change the drive sprocket hiding in the motor?
Do you have to drop the swing arm to replace the chain slider?
Skoron
Good evening.
I should like a centre stand to be standard, and the fitment of tube less wheels would be a big plus. Having read the stories regarding shaft failures on the big BMWs, I no longer think that shaft drive is a must, much less a big plus. My 1976 GL1000 stranded me in the middle of Texas due to a shaft drive failure.
The problem? A tiny circlip in the shaft housing came out when I backed up to assist some seasoned citizens. Conversley, my GL500 was quite reliable. It all depends upon how paranoid about failures/problems one is (please see above reference to tube less wheels, LOL!).
The Toad :D
My wish list is :-
1/ Wind shield that works and is adjustable.
2/ Centre stand as standard.
3/ Heated grips as standard.
4/ Gel seat as standard.
5/ Better radiator protection.
6/ Tubeless tyres. (the BMW & Aprillia rims are [were] made by Akront in Spain) I have a GS BMW and use it off road and have never had any problems. The rest of the bike is crap, however.
7/ Adjustable forks.
8/ Forks that you can drain the oil without taking the whole lot out.
9/ More under seat storage. e.g. For a shackle lock.
10/Dedicated GPS mounts.
11/ Instruments that are visible under street lighting.
12/Chain oiler as standard.
I'll stop there as 13 could be unlucky.
Still a great bike though.
When they put a single side swingarm on a chain drive .... they will catch my attention!
Quote from: "RedMenace"Quote from: "raych"Shaft drive. Why do bike manufacturers still make us put up with chains? They're completely inappropriate except for specialised racing machines.
Why do you say that? Modern chains will last many thousands of miles without problems, adjustment on the Tiger is dead simple, lubing and inspection are easy. If you have ever done the spline lube and lash adjustment recommended by BMW as routine maintanance, or suffered a final drive or driveshaft failure you might think twice about a shaft drive being the end all and be all design.
For a long travel suspension, for ease of changing drive ratios, for light weight and minimal power loss, for simplicity of design the chain drive seems to be superior.
Mmm... I wrote the 'wish' for shaft drive soon after changing to the Tiger from Moto Guzzi shafties, which never gave me any drive trouble. The shafts never needed a moment's attention or thought, so by comparison the chain seemed a real step down in convenience, not to mention cleanliness. Having said that, the more I get used to it (especially now I've fitted a Scottoiler), it doesn't seem such a big deal as I first thought.
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How about Tubeless rims
As much as I'd LOVE tubless spoked rims, they'd have to get them from BMW & I don't think that is happening anytime soon. :twisted:[/quote]
The Aprilia Capo Nord has them. Different # of spokes from BMW. So there are at least two makers out there.
Those would be my three - centerstand, heated grips and tubeless rims standard. Plus, a little different fairing, more like a GSXR or BMWRT headlight.
MarkF
Get rid of those stripes on the tank and above the lights! I usually think that the ugliness of Adv tour bikes are part of thier appeal, but the graphics on the Tiger are just lame. Check out the picture of the Tiger from the Corbin site, sans-stripes. Perfect!!!
Does anyone know if they can be removed without doing a full-on repaint? Cheers.
2 Wheeler said:
QuoteGet rid of those stripes on the tank and above the lights! I usually think that the ugliness of Adv tour bikes are part of thier appeal, but the graphics on the Tiger are just lame. Check out the picture of the Tiger from the Corbin site, sans-stripes. Perfect!!!
Does anyone know if they can be removed without doing a full-on repaint? Cheers.
I don't know about the stripes on the tank but I removed the stickers above the headlights. That's all they are, stickers. The outline is still there because of the clear coating on the front fender. However, you can only see it from about a foot away.
I'm sure you can do it with the stripes on the tank as well. You just need to be careful and patiant.
How about this color scheme:
Sorry, the file is not attaching... I'm thinking using yellow instead of silver for the tank stripes and logo.
Seat pipes. So You can use standard bags on both side.
>When they put a single side swingarm on a chain drive ....
>they will catch my attention!
I don't see why this would be so revolutionary...?
I'm suprised that no one has mentioned sensible 5th and 6th gear ratios. They are far too close for this type of bike and a taller 6th would be welcome.
Quote from: "BigDave"Not that we have much say, but if you could recomend modifications to Triumph for the future Tiger, what would it be?
I'd pick:
Heated grips & Centerstand standard
some cosmetic redesign of the front tank/fairing area
better sump/header protection
How about under the seat exhaust pipes.
Wish List :
- Dual trip meter
- Better placed heated grips switch
- Factory options to include items like Aux Lights (front & Back), Engine Guards (already have centre stand / heated grips & panniers as standard :P )
- Better placed clock
O yeah and a get out of work free for a year card (whilst still being paid), so we can go play :D
The trouble with what a lot of you are asking for is it would bump up the price which is what a lot of us got a tiger for in the first place.
However I agree about the looks, it needs a rethink; a bit more of an off road look is needed. Under seat exhausts would be good for the luggage space, a remote adjuster for rear suspension.
How about a 21 inch front wheel.
Heated grips and center stand.
Raspier exhause note.
Readable gauges. Brighter dash lights.
Crossbar on handlebars.
Lower passenger footpegs.
An electronic compass.
Better dipstick.
Better cap on coolant overflow tank.
LED taillight and flashers,
Mud flap on front standard.
Real handguards.
Less expensive Triumph options.
Hi guys,
The good news is that we all seem to want roughly the same stuff, hopefully Triumph is listening?
My input is:
1050 engine with detune for torque but not knocking off too much horsepower.
Triple pipes under the seat like the new Sprint.
Single sided swingarm with chain drive and improved chain geometry or an idler wheel for constant chain tension. (They have the technology!)
Real handguards
standard heated grips
Tubeless alloy spokes like Aprillia or BMW
More legroom for driver and especially passenger.
A little more ground clearance with a real sump gaurd (sorry no sympathy for short legged people!)
Adjustable forks with drain plugs.
Bigger and more effective windshield with possibly the front fairing attached to the forks to prevent mirror stalks hitting and give you a moveable spotlight at night.
"Attractive" engine guards standard.
Center stand standard.
Possibly 4 pot front calipers.
Add a pro-oiler for the chain and you have the perfect motorcycle!
I for one would pay a little more for these refinements.
Mark
2 inches shorter and a 100 lbs lighter.
Amen to that
Quote from: "BykBoy"Sorry, the file is not attaching... I'm thinking using yellow instead of silver for the tank stripes and logo.
NO! Don't do it. You'll look like a bumble bee. Remember those black & yellow BMW R100GS? They were christened "Bumble bees".
How about an engine that never needs servicing or serviced only every 20,000 miles.
Is this too much to ask ?