The steering head bearings on my '05 Tiger seem to have had it. There's a huge detent in the steering, which means the lower race is probably dented. 22,000 miles seems a little soon for this, most bikes I've had have gone about 50,000 miles on a set of bearings. Oh well, too many potholes I guess.
Triumph wants about $90 for a set of bearings. On every other bike I've had I've been able to get roller bearings from a bearing distributor for a fraction of that, given the requisite part numbers (not the Triumph part numbers, the generic bearing part numbers). I can get that off the bearings after I pull it apart, but it would be nicer to have them in hand when I'm doing the job. Anyone have the bearing part numbers?
5577170-001 ?
http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/oem-nav~submit_from_stage~4~section_dept_id~1~model_dept_mfr~Triumph~model_dept_name~TIGER.asp
Quote from: "zadok_oz"5577170-001 ?
http://www.bikebandit.com/partsbandit/oem-nav~submit_from_stage~4~section_dept_id~1~model_dept_mfr~Triumph~model_dept_name~TIGER.asp
That's the Bike Bandit part number which won't do me much good. A bearing wholesaler won't know what to do with it.
Bike Bandit's actually where I got my price quote for the OEM bearings, my local dealer will undoubtedly be more. I can get higher quality bearings for less money with the bearing numbers.
I do the same thing regarding bearing suppliers versus factory parts, for the same reasons you have listed.
I dug around on the intyweb, but came up with nothing.
If you do have to pull the bearings in order to get the numbers and subsequent replacements, please post the numbers here, to benefit those of us who may wind up in the same pickle.
Thanks.
Funny this post should appear. My Tiger is pretty much stripped and hung in my garage right now while I do the bearings.
I will see what numbers are on the old ones & the replacements.
What is the easiest way to remove and replace the existing ones? I have the forks out etc.... but I'm struggling with removing the bearings.
Curtis Ross
'02 Tiger
Calgary, Alberta
I knock the bearings out of the steering head with a hammer and punch. Shouldn't be hard. The bearing on the steering stem is sometimes problematic. I've always managed to drive it off using the same hammer and punch. Sometimes that's made easier by heating the race with a propane torch to expand it a little bit. Some people cut it with a dremel tool and break it off. In a pinch you can haul the steering stem into a machine shop where they'll yank it off in about 30 sec with a specialized bearing puller.
I'd really appreciate the bearing numbers once you pull yours out. That would make changing mine a bit easier.
Good luck with the job!
Quote from: "Green Geck0"Funny this post should appear. My Tiger is pretty much stripped and hung in my garage right now while I do the bearings.
I will see what numbers are on the old ones & the replacements.
What is the easiest way to remove and replace the existing ones? I have the forks out etc.... but I'm struggling with removing the bearings.
Curtis Ross
'02 Tiger
Calgary, Alberta
Top bearing on a 99 Tiger (might be the same) 6205DU NSK ENGLAND,
Bottom bearing I could not find a replacement locally ( special application)
Okay here is what I have:
Top Bearing
(http://www.mototrek.com/images/bearings/tigerbearings001.jpg)
The one on the left is the old one:
NSK 6205DU England 416
The one on the right is the new one:
NSK 6205DU Poland 251
Bottom Bearing
(http://www.mototrek.com/images/bearings/tigerbearings006.jpg)
The numbers on the old & the new are the same:
HI-CAP 32006JR JAPAN KOYO
and this is what your Tiger looks like after 60 minutes of wrenching....
(http://www.mototrek.com/images/bearings/tigerbearings007.jpg)
Hope this helps!!
Curtis Ross
Calgary, Alberta
That's exactly what I was looking for!
Quote from: "Green Geck0"Okay here is what I have:
Top Bearing
The one on the left is the old one:
NSK 6205DU England 416
The one on the right is the new one:
NSK 6205DU Poland 251
Bottom Bearing
The numbers on the old & the new are the same:
HI-CAP 32006JR JAPAN KOYO
Hope this helps!!
Curtis Ross
Calgary, Alberta
Quote from: "Green Geck0"nd this is what your Tiger looks like after 60 minutes of wrenching....
(http://www.mototrek.com/images/bearings/tigerbearings007.jpg)
Holy crap mister!!!! :shock: What are you doing to your bike???? No wonder you don't have time to finish that Alaska report...... :twisted:
Any ride-ins on your itinerary this year???? :smt030
When I did mine I managed to get the taper roller from a bearing supplier but had to go to Triumph for the top ball race. I think I remember the bearing supplier saying that the top bearing was a Triumph specific part (because of the circlip) which they couldn't order. Triumph pt # T3800055.
Hi Greengecko,
Thanks for posting this info up!
While you've got Tigger apart, I think Marty was asking what size Torx was on the top shock mount bolt a while back.
Cheers
Quote from: "Advwannabe"While you've got Tigger apart, I think Marty was asking what size Torx was on the top shock mount bolt a while back.
Looks to be a T-55. By the way.... top is 95 Nm & bottom 48 Nm for torque.
Curtis Ross
'02 Tigger
Calgary, Alberta
Quote from: "GatorTiger"Holy crap mister!!!! :shock: What are you doing to your bike???? No wonder you don't have time to finish that Alaska report...... :twisted:
You know how you start one thing and it leads to another, well......it's started. #-o
Quote from: "GatorTiger"]Any ride-ins on your itinerary this year???? :smt030
I really want to snag a Ride-in this year. Not sure when or where. You?
Curtis
Quote from: "Green Geck0"You know how you start one thing and it leads to another, well......it's started. #-o
Dangerous grounds... Can turn into a never ending story... all the best for all your work!! :smt023
Quote from: "Green Geck0"I really want to snag a Ride-in this year. Not sure when or where. You?
Won't make the one in June. I'll be in Halifax for work the week before, but cannot make the trip happen as a combination of the two. I might be in the game for ID, though, if only for half a day on Sunday... I have work going on in Helena, MT, the week before and the week of the ride in. Jasper is definitely on my list! Hope to see you there!!!!!
Replace both top and bottom bearings with rollers. Mine was worn out on the top, he balls have a lot smaller contact patch than rollers and had nicely dented the race. I replaced them at 24K miles. I just used the dimensions of the old ones to figure out what to replace them with.
I replaced mine at about 70,000 miles, went with the standard ball bearing up top. I figure with the ball up top even if the bearings get loose you don't get any play in the front end when there is a load on it, the problem with rollers up top is that if it isn't in perfect adjustment it is either tight making you push into every turn or it is loose even if you have a load on the front end (which is most of the time). Triumph has a reason for putting a straight ball bearing up top.
Quote from: "TucsonBill"Replace both top and bottom bearings with rollers. Mine was worn out on the top, he balls have a lot smaller contact patch than rollers and had nicely dented the race. I replaced them at 24K miles. I just used the dimensions of the old ones to figure out what to replace them with.
Do you have the number for the tapered bearing you used on top? I'd rather adjust them occasionally then replace them every 20,000 miles.
I have all the bearings set but I'm unsure if the bottom one that goes into the frame should be flush or is it supposed to go in further? I think it's supposed to go in more but I can't remember from when I took the old one out.
Anyone remember?
Too many beers....
Curtis Ross
'02 Green
Calgary, Alberta
I goes deeper than flush, not sure how much, basically till it seats in the bottom of the bore. It goes deep enough for the seal on the bearing to seal in the bore.
Thanks Charlie!
I figured as much. I'll go get the bigger hammer and hit it till it stops.
:shock:
Curtis Ross
'02 Green
Calgary, Alberta
You'll find the note changes as the race hits the bottom of the bore from a dull thud to a more ringing sound. At least that's always been my experience with other bikes.
I'm curious about the seal on the lower bearing. There is no seal indicated on the parts diagram, is this seal supplied with the bearing from Triumph. I used the part numbers talked about earlier in this forum and the upper bearing I ordered is useless as I doesn't have the groove cut in it for the circlip, and now I am wondering if the lower bearing is supposed to have a seal supplied with it. I'm beginning to regret going to my local bearing supplier for these bearings instead of just paying the extra for the oem's now that I'm finding out that the oem's (even though they have the same part number stamped in them as the ones I ordered) are different.
My parts guy at my local Triumph dealer says that he has heard that Triumph buys these 6205DU bearings and then has the groove machined into them for the circlip.
Can anyone tell me if the lower roller bearing seal is separate to the bearing? And if it is where can I get another one since it isn't listed in the parts break downs.
Ebay
ALL balls kit for 35 bucks has everything you need
I had already checked eBay before I purchased and they seem the same as what I got.
I ended up cutting off the lower bearing and damaging the seal that was attached to it.
No way.'....'the all balls kits have the seals
You're right! They didn't come up when I initially did my ebay search last week so I went with the part numbers earlier in the thread.
Thanks for all you're help! It's on the way! And the upper one is on order with my triumph dealer hopefully it will have the groove cut in it for the circlip.
+1 for allballsracing.com
They sell bearing and seal kits & include a nifty sticker for your tool box.