Hi,
I am very new here (have posted an introduction) and was hoping someone could answer a few questions I have about my Tiger?
The engine sounds quite rattly (in a Honda cam chain kind of way...) at tick over, is this normal? The guy in the shop who sold it to me says they are quitre noisey engines, but then he would.
if I put the engine under load 2/3 ,000 revs 2nd gear (filtering) and roll the throttle on the whole bike vibrates and sounds like a bag of spanners, am I expecting too much of the engine low down? evey other bike I have owned has done this without any problems.
Thanks
Mark
These bikes are noisy, and you are probably hearing normal noise. There are a couple of typical "bad noises" on the steamer which indicate needed repairs, the alternator rattle being one. If you can find another Tiger to listen it might help reassure you.
If the shuddering smoothes out as you pass 4000 rpms I would suspect you have been lugging the engine. Try keeping the revs up and see if it feels happier to you. Mine likes 5000-6000 rpm; it pulls well lower than that but does behave as you describe if I lug it. Since I have a sidecar and lower than stock gearing, comparing actual rpm ranges probably means little.
Thanks for that, it does dissapear above 3/4k, was just unsure as only had the bike a couple of days, seems far worse when filtering in traffic.
Cheers
Mark
You don't say which model you're talking about.
So, early "steamer" and pre 955i engines are mechanically noisy. If you have one of these, the best advice has already been given i.e. find another one to listen to.
If you have a 955i, it should whistle (primary drive gears). Otherwise it is too quiet.
Also, these triples do seem to go through a vibration patch at around 3000 rpm. I think it's due to the rocking couple of the engine or something technical like that. It's nothing to worry about. They all do that sir!
I had similar thoughts when I first got my '98 Steamer last summer. Engine does sound a bit mechanical compared to the Japanese 4cyl bikes I've been riding for the past 15 yrs. My Tiger has 30K miles on it and had been well maintained by prev owner. When I'm riding it does have some drive-line shudder up to 3K rpm then it's very smooth so I just keep the revs up a little and avoid lugging it. No problems and I just love this bike for my commute! This spring I'll be doing a valve adjustment, carb synch and idle circuit enrichening (very cold-blooded in the morning) and maybe that'll smooth it out a bit (must do this stuff regardless).
Brendan
'98 BRG Steamer
Thanks for the advice. Its a 885i on an x plate with 7k on the clock. Am taking it back to the dealer on fri for them to have a look at and basically assure me that nothing is wrong.
Cheers
Mark
Quote from: "tediem"Thanks for the advice. Its a 885i on an x plate with 7k on the clock.
In that case I think you're probably worrying over nothing. They do sound like a cement mixer full of bricks at the best of times. Character is what some people call it.
Best to get it checked all the same.
For what it's worth I can only agree with everyone else...for anyone used to fully-faired in-line four cylinder engines the triple does sound rather "agricultural".
Having said that, have you ever listened to a VFR with the fairings removed? And nobody ever worries about those, do they?
Chris
Quote from: "Brock"Having said that, have you ever listened to a VFR with the fairings removed?
So does the VFR fairing emit sewing machine noises? 'coz that's what they sound like with the fairing fitted. :wink:
Neither of mine ever did...I suppose the sound-deadening foam layers on the inside of the fairing helped a bit. Personally I used to love the noise a VFR made. Lumpy down low but like a whistly whiney growley turbine when you opened it up. I could have another one tomorrow but I'm a bit VFR'd out after two of 'em. Having too much fun on the Tigger anyway. HEY...ANYONE OUT THERE EVER FITTED THE "SPORTS CAN"? I'M TEMPTED.
Quote from: "Brock"Neither of mine ever did...I suppose the sound-deadening foam layers on the inside of the fairing helped a bit. Personally I used to love the noise a VFR made. Lumpy down low but like a whistly whiney growley turbine when you opened it up. I could have another one tomorrow but I'm a bit VFR'd out after two of 'em. Having too much fun on the Tigger anyway. HEY...ANYONE OUT THERE EVER FITTED THE "SPORTS CAN"? I'M TEMPTED.
first off, my 04 tiger has 1500 miles on her and also has the "3000 vibration patch". i checked with this and other web sites pertaining to this situation and found it to be very normal.
2nd, i also checked all the sites about "race cans" and found out that some people have modified their stock cans with great results.
so, i checked futher with Staintune and Thunderbike exhausts and found that you don`t have to remap with their race cans.
i also checked the prices. for me the price wasn`t worth the power. But i wanted the "SOUND". so what i did was take a long Prybar, about 3.5 ft. in length and put it down the can and poke a small hole. if you look closely down inside the silencer (can) towards the bottom half of the can you can see a "Wall". on the other side of this wall is the inlet side of the can.
now what i first did was make a small hole about 30mm wide 20mm tall (this demension is obviously the same size as the end of the prybar i poked the said hole with)
i had a friend ride the bike as so did i to check the "sound". riding and from afar test. the bike had to be a little louder, but i could`nt tell.
so, i went back in and opened up the hole to about 30mm wide and 30mm tall. now the bike began to have a "low pitch growl" dare i say it , the "TRIPLE HOWL". now i did NOT want a "Raspy" sounding bike. and the bike did NOT sound raspy "AT ALL" in any way.
so, after three or four more "adjustments" and tests, my punture hole is the same size as the inlet hole . as you look inside the can as your doing this(making , the hole), you can see the actual inlet pipe.
so, basically my can is straight thru. now all this may sound crazy, stuffin your can with a prybar but, all i can say is the "sound" is there. it`s a low growly sound at idle (sounds the about the same as stock) and as you open it up it just sounds like the "Coolest""Meanest" low pitch "Growl' you`ve ever heard! (all my friends ride Jap and they love it)... if you go to the Thunder bike site and listen to their exhaust "sound bite" , theirs sounds "higher" and "raspy", this mod definatly does`nt sound that loud or raspy.
i think it sounds way better actually!
i also took out the "divider" inside my air box. so you get another "lil HOWL" coming from there.
your WARRANTY will be voided, i am sure, so you decide. maybe buy the after market can. that mite be best.
for me , i build race engines for all the local shops here in orlando(2 strokes, jet skis and motcross bikes) so at service time they over look my "lil mods" to TIGER!
all i can say is after doin these mods, i could never go back to that stock sound. it was just to quite and "Balless"!
hope that helps, see ya! oh and yes the bike is defiantly faster, how much i can`t say but i can feel it! just an added bonus! man i love my bike!!
My Lady bought me the off-road can for an Xmas present. I fitted it myself and the sound is great IMO. However any change in performance wasn’t noticeable. Downloading the off-road tune and the bike is transformed. I would recommend that anybody fitting or modifying his or her exhaust get this tune. The standard tune is compromise by having emissions related areas.
The power comes from the tune not the pipe, you cannot gain much just fitting the can and you cannot release the full power of the tune without a free flowing can.
Strangely enough i've just gone from a Triumph Race can or Off road can to a Remus silencer,i'm getting quite a collection on my garage wall!!!,but the important thing for you guys who haven't tried more than one engine tune,their not all the same,i think the latest is 16 or 17 but there have been some real dud's i can tell you.
Chris
Mmmmmmmm...the sound is the thing. I feel the bike is powerful enough at the moment but just that little bit "sanitised". Needs a bit more "attitude". Maybe I'll scout around for a nice cheap Triumph Race Can...at least the fuzz may think it's the OE if they don't look too close.
My local Triumph dealer is good so the re-map would be no problem.
Hey Robbie...You're only up the road from me! Fancy a ride when the weather improves? By the way...me Ceebaileys screen came today. It looks great. Can't wait to try it on the road. Forecast tomorrow's crap but Sunday should be better. Think I'll be coming home from work the long way 'round!
don`t make me say "TUNE BOY". search that (internet)and it gets really complicated. or at least very interesting! but everyone is correct. i was just talkin "SOUND"!..... but with daytona cams, total mod. airbox(wide open with K&N), any fiberglass packed silencer, 1 down on the counter and "tuneboy"remapping and now your talkin almost 142 hp at the rear wheel....( i seen it somewhere on the net)..triumph offroad maps are a cheap fix but they are the easiest fix for the average cyclist.
all new motorcycles have a 4000 to 5500 rpm range at which they are "detuned' for emissiom purposes, mainly sound dbs. you can see it on most dyno readings on most bikes. that is the "Wheelly area" as far as i`m concerned. so what you want to do if you have the `Dener-O.... aka.... $. is to perform those mods while attaining a 12to1 air fuel mixture ratio with the tuneboy and "LETER EAT!"
but then you probably should have bought a suzuki "Hyabusa". all my friends ride em, but they all look the same and sound the same........except for me, sweet!
but when i`m in for "mandated" service (6000 mile) i`m am goin to try the triumph offroad tune, my dealer said it would be i hour=$60.00 what a Jipp! but i can`t wait.
Well when it comes to offroad tunes,i reckon i could right a book!!,they vary a lot,i use my Tiger for mainly touring Europe,so when you've been on the road for 9 or 10 hours you notice the slightest niggle,i had a new tune put into the bike just before we set of for a trip to southern Spain and Portugal,(I think it was 14)on the way to the catch the ferry at Portsmouth,travelling at between 90 and 110 it must have been doing 60 to the gallon!!!!and the pick up of the throttle on the bottom end was fantastic but it was running that lean,the vibration through the bars was incredible,had to suffer it untill we got to Valencia were i got the local triumph dealer to put and old Tune in,not so good on the throttle response,or mpg but killed the vibes,when i got back to the UK,took it back to the dealer and he put another tune in which has been a good one,but strangely enough he told me he had the very latest one just come in,but hadn't tried it,and didn't want to use me as the guinea pig after the hassle i'd had.
Chris
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Well when it comes to offroad tunes,i reckon i could right a book!!,they vary a lot,i use my Tiger for mainly touring Europe,so when you've been on the road for 9 or 10 hours you notice the slightest niggle,i had a new tune put into the bike just before we set of for a trip to southern Spain and Portugal,(I think it was 14)on the way to the catch the ferry at Portsmouth,travelling at between 90 and 110 it must have been doing 60 to the gallon!!!!and the pick up of the throttle on the bottom end was fantastic but it was running that lean,the vibration through the bars was incredible,had to suffer it untill we got to Valencia were i got the local triumph dealer to put and old Tune in,not so good on the throttle response,or mpg but killed the vibes,when i got back to the UK,took it back to the dealer and he put another tune in which has been a good one,but strangely enough he told me he had the very latest one just come in,but hadn't tried it,and didn't want to use me as the guinea pig after the hassle i'd had.
Chris
wow, now thats some INPUT. dats what i needed to hear! my bike has no surges or roughness anywhere in the power band. i just have my little pipe and airbox mods , 18 tooth couner shaft sprocket and stock tune. my average riding temp. down here in florida is 80deg. far.(sea level) so my stock tune with my freer flowin mods will always remain inside the "parameters" of the said stock tune. as far as operating my bike in 30 deg. far. temp or less, I have no idea if it would be lean. i forgot that a lot of you Chaps are from the" other side of the pond"!! I too cruise at about 80 to 100 mph on the flats hear in florida on my way to go fishing and to the beach for surfing. so as for me after this little discussion on "pipes" and "Maps" i think i`ll leave my bike the way it is and spend the $ on a new 9`4" longboard , cause i`m surfing Dakar Africa in the first 2 weeks in june.
p.s.. with 18 tooth counter, my bike still pulls long low power wheelies (about 50 ft.long and 1.5 ft high) coming out of redlights in 2nd gear. you get caught with your "wheel in the air" here in florida , they Impound it!
wow, maybe a beemer would have been safer,ABSand no wheel in the air.....naaaaaahhhhhh!!!
Thanks for the advice. I took it back and they echoed what most of you have said, looks like I am going to have to learn to live with it and it characteristics. Took it out for a 300 mile run over the w/e and found it to be very comfortable, more so that the TDM I swopped it for. Got about 45 to the gallon, is that about right?
Cheers
Mark
Thanks for the advice. I took it back and they echoed what most of you have said, looks like I am going to have to learn to live with it and it characteristics. Took it out for a 300 mile run over the w/e and found it to be very comfortable, more so that the TDM I swopped it for. Got about 45 to the gallon, is that about right?
Cheers
Mark
i`ve recently purchaced a triumph race can off e bay, when i opened the box there was a note inside saying that there was a link pipe available to replace the mid section of exhaust, i have had no success in finding said pipe and am wondering if i should just fit it with the mid section i have and weather this would affect the noise and performance? :? has anyone else done this, or has anyone got a spare link pipe laying around in there garage they wish to sell :lol: