Anybody know how many Tigers of each type were made and how many were sold in each country? Somebody at the '09 Eastern Ride-In remembered a Triumph rep at a RAID claiming that Tiger sales in the US have been about 200 a year. That makes what, about 1000 Steamers, 400 injected Steamers, 1200 Girlies and 400 Roadies for a total of 3000 in the US? I see the number of registered users here is 2300.
Injected Steamers? I've only seen two of those, both owner modified. :lol:
Those numbers seem kind of low, even for the US market. For instance, the KTM 640 Adventure was limited to 200 in the US each year, and they seem far more scarce than tigers. One thing to remember it at the moment, Triumph is selling 50k-60k bikes a year worldwide. The top seller--the Speed Triple, I've read usually accounts for 10k-12k per year. I'd think the bottom seller would have to maintain 2k production numbers to not get axed. Finally, the US is triumph's largest market--though I'm sure the cruisers and classics are their leader here.
Geof
Think it was Mustang who told me that in 95 when they introduced the Steamer to the US there were only 700 sent over. So the 95's have some rarity value here
Quote from: "coachgeo"Think it was Mustang who told me that in 95 when they introduced the Steamer to the US there were only 700 sent over. So the 95's have some rarity value here
will you stop it with that I think it was 700 :Topes
In
1995 there were 125 tigers imported to the US (June or July 1995 Cycle world magazine article about the tiger is my source)and by 98 they were up to
500 imported to the US
I've got a 1998 sold in the Northeast market and a 98 sold originally in the southeast market and the difference in the last 5 VIN numbers is only 100 units , one is xx606 and the other is xx706
The number grew progressively over the 4 year span for US Steamers but they are a rare beast indeed .
My
best Guess would be less than 2000 steamers came to US dealers from jolly old England
It took Triumph until January 2000 to produce the 100,000th Triumph worldwide , an average of just over 10 k a year
Worldwidethe early triumphs that had the biggest #'s were T-Birds they were 25% of production . Interesting other info I discovered surfing the web , was that Germany got the first production models and Britain got their sales network after Germany . The Germans were always the biggest Tiger Market also .
I learned that 3000 2005 model Tigers were produced worldwide.
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style ... 97560.html (http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/motoring/road-tests/road-test-triumph-tiger-955i-497560.html)
Quote from: "Mustang"Quote from: "coachgeo"Think it was Mustang who told me that in 95 when they introduced the Steamer to the US there were only 700 sent over. So the 95's have some rarity value here
will you stop it with that I think it was 700 :Topes
In 1995 there were 125 tigers imported to the US (June or July 1995 Cycle world magazine article about the tiger is my source)and by 98 they were up to 500 imported to the US...
Thanx for the correction. Not sure where I rememered the 700 from. Must have been model number you described. My source is a PM from you to me. Obviously I remembered the data from that PM way off. My bad.
Anyway... Dont want to pass on bad info. So for next time I'll program it now into my feeble brain "Round about 125 first year and built up to approx. 2000 steamers total".
Thanx again.
The Tiger was actually the worst seller of the model line in the US from 95-98
Dealers couldn't wait to finally be able to unload 2 and 3 year old bikes that nobody wanted or knew what they were .
When I bought my 1st 98 brand new in 99 I actually found three 98's and a brand new 97 sitting in dealer showrooms that were all within 500 miles of me :shock:
When you bought a bike from triumph in the first few months of 1995 after they launched the US market you got one of these in the mail along with a letter of appreciation for buying one , and a t shirt too , woohoo.
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee47/2uoykcuf/parts/06-11-1.jpg)
Quote from: "Mustang"The Tiger was actually the worst seller of the model line in the US from 95-98
Dealers couldn't wait to finally be able to unload 2 and 3 year old bikes that nobody wanted or knew what they were .
When I bought my 1st 98 brand new in 99 I actually found three 98's and a brand new 97 sitting in dealer showrooms that were all within 500 miles of me :shock:
When you bought a bike from triumph in the first few months of 1995 after they launched the US market you got one of these in the mail along with a letter of appreciation for buying one , and a t shirt too , woohoo.
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee47/2uoykcuf/parts/06-11-1.jpg)
Thats a cool little story and piece of history. :)
2005... I believe the number was 250 brought into the USA....
Quote from: "TigerTrax"2005... I believe the number was 250 brought into the USA....
I believe that is about correct... as I was told by a Triumph dealership that prior to 2007, Canada saw about 30-50 Tigers per year, even less in the 1990's.
Given that we are about 10% the size of the US in terms of population, that would equal about 25 Tigers in 2005.
What a rare "little" kitty! we have 8)
Quote from: "JetdocX"Injected Steamers? I've only seen two of those, both owner modified. :lol:
My (very limited, fourth-hand and rough) understanding is that carbed Steamers were produced approx. from '94 to '99, injected Steamers were produced in '00 and '01, Girlies approx. from '02 to'08('07?) and Roadies after that. The injected Steamers had the same enduro look and the 885 engine. This was the period just after the factory fire and production was limited. Numbers here would have been very, very, very, very small. I think there was a factory injected steamer in Arkansas last year but I may be misremembering that.
Is Roy Bacon still alive? I was hoping for an updated version of his book with models, serial numbers, production dates and all that good stuff for the H mcs.
Steamers were built up to and including '98.
'99 and 2000 Tigers aren't Steamers. It's a completely different bike with a different engine... only the cc displacement is the same.
Some early 2001's had the injected 885 engine, but they're Girlies.
Before the "Girly" moniker was hung on Girlies, they were called "Fuelies", for fuel injection. You still see people refer to them as Fuelies from time to time.
But the Steamers stopped abruptly at the end of the '98 model year.
Quote from: StretchSteamers were built up to and including '98.
But the Steamers stopped abruptly at the end of the '98 model year.
a sad time indeed :cry:
The look of the Girlies grows on you. When I bought mine, it was between the Girly (silver 03) and a Cagiva Gran Canyon. The Gran Canyon is a good looking bike, but I liked the Tiger as well.
The mid-90's brought several similar looking bikes: the Steamer, the Africa Twin, the Ducati/Cagiva Elefant:
(http://www.triumphtiger.net/tigere/grafikk/TriumphTiger-1995-pimento%20_red-1024_768.jpg)
(http://www.hoc.org.uk/gallery/wallpaper/AfricaTwin1998-1024.jpg)
(http://people.su.se/~wilke/dvm/ducelf.jpg)
They're close enough to be cousins-- and are all modeled after the look of the Dakar bikes of the late 80's and early 90's. It would have been cool if the tigers had retain the utilitarian/earthy look, but they have all moved on:
(http://www.passionperformance.ca/motorcycle/img/photos/2007_Triumph_Tiger_image_0_3150.jpg)
(whoops. The picture I originally picked, was more risque that I thought. for those that want to see it, I left the direct lnk:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mvhjidbvdzc/R ... 2B1050.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mvhjidbvdzc/RnTlODQd3LI/AAAAAAAAA-g/bV8NFfPVkKE/s400/triumph%2B1050.jpg) )
(http://www.webbikeworld.com/Motorcycle-news/2008-honda-motorcycles/transalp.jpg)
(http://motoprofi.com/bikephoto/4434/ducati_multistrada_620_2005_2.jpg)
At least our's still looks better.
Geof
Dead right,
I used to think that Ducati could not make an ugly bike but they proved me wrong there :roll:
Sorry to go off topic, but yes, that thing is an unholy nightmare!
I guess I could have actually read the descriptions of each of the tech forums and gotten production years and a correct understanding of the 885 fuelies. Thanks for the comments.
Quote from: "97tiger885"I guess I could have actually read the descriptions of each of the tech forums and gotten production years and a correct understanding of the 885 fuelies. Thanks for the comments.
Yeah, the easy way to tell the difference between the 885 girlies and the 955 girlies is the graphics on the tank. 885:
(http://www.powersportsnetwork.com/powersportsdlr/images/baxtercycle/VP787285_1.jpg)
955:
(http://imgs.segundamano.es/images/372/37220281959.jpg)
Geof
Quote from: "abruzzi"(whoops. The picture I originally picked, was more risque that I thought. for those that want to see it, I left the direct lnk:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mvhjidbvdzc/R ... 2B1050.jpg (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mvhjidbvdzc/RnTlODQd3...riumph%2B1050.jpg) )
ROFLMAO... (spitting drink on monitor as well)...
Where in the hell did you find that?! Hahaha!
I think you only get one of those when you buy new... :lol: :lol:
This thread got me thinking about the rarity of Hinckley Tigers and I've spent several hours to no avail attempting to come up with USA and Canada import numbers. I'd sure be curious to see, by year, the actual number brought into North America. I have never seen a steamer in person, I occassionally see girlies around, and have seen a few roadies out and about. Anyone know of a place to go to find this data?
thanks,
Quote from: "TheMule"This thread got me thinking about the rarity of Hinckley Tigers and I've spent several hours to no avail attempting to come up with USA and Canada import numbers. I'd sure be curious to see, by year, the actual number brought into North America. I have never seen a steamer in person, I occassionally see girlies around, and have seen a few roadies out and about. Anyone know of a place to go to find this data?
I think this is the point of the thread :wink: I've only seen 4 girlies and a steamer in my lifetime.
Quote from: "TheMule"This thread got me thinking about the rarity of Hinckley Tigers and I've spent several hours to no avail attempting to come up with USA and Canada import numbers. I'd sure be curious to see, by year, the actual number brought into North America. I have never seen a steamer in person, I occassionally see girlies around, and have seen a few roadies out and about. Anyone know of a place to go to find this data?
thanks,
Since Triumph isn't privately owned, they don't have to file quarterly earnings reports. You'll occasional see quantity info published, but it is few and far between. For instance this links gives totals sales for 2007 as 41,125 units, and singles out the Tiger, Speed 3, Daytona 675 and RIII as the sales drivers:
http://londonbikers.com/news/7459/trium ... ncial-year (http://londonbikers.com/news/7459/triumph-motorcycles-sales-grow-by-10-in-the-2007-financial-year)
This site puts 06 sales at 37,400 and 05 as 31,600 with no mention of models:
http://www.allbusiness.com/arts-enterta ... 609-1.html (http://www.allbusiness.com/arts-entertainment-recreation/3962609-1.html)
The next sit is US sales number:
http://www.webbikeworld.com/triumph-mot ... -sales.htm (http://www.webbikeworld.com/triumph-motorcycles/triumph-2006-sales.htm)
Here the US breakout of 2006 sales is 10,726 (28% of worldwide sales.) The next article Just a month or so old, describes continued growth, putting out 48,929 bikes in the last 12 month period. It also mentions that Triumph's growth is an anomaly as all four Japanese manufacturers as well as HD have seen sales slump.
http://www.thisisbusiness-eastmidlands. ... ticle.html (http://www.thisisbusiness-eastmidlands.co.uk/leicestershire/Triumph-sales-remain-strong-despite-industry-slump/article-1032219-detail/article.html)
THis post (any CPAs in Georgia?) for a Job with Triumph US suggests that Triumph is the fastest crowing Company in the US !?!
http://cyclecareers.com/cc/job/120 (http://cyclecareers.com/cc/job/120)
Unfortunately, all is not rosy. Bloor's other business is in housing and construction and that is causing a financial hit:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/news ... nants.html (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/industry/engineering/5469875/Triumph-Motorcycles-owner-Bloor-breaches-covenants.html)
Some time ago I had found a post in austrailia that had detailed Triumph sales in OZ on a model by model basis, but I can't dig it up now.
Geof