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Talk => Speaking Of Bikes... => Topic started by: KuzzinKenny on June 27, 2009, 01:56:39 AM

Title: Chain link ??
Post by: KuzzinKenny on June 27, 2009, 01:56:39 AM
At 20k mile i thought its time to replace the chain/sprockets so ordered this...

http://www.triumph-online.co.uk/triumph ... 1486-p.asp (http://www.triumph-online.co.uk/triumph-tiger-955i-2004-06-cast-wheel-did-530-vm2-114-x-ring-gold-chain-hl-656-1486-p.asp)

No problem with the supplier, very quick delivery, as allways !! but im confused  :?  i would think that with a rivet type link, the side plate should slide easy onto the link !! even if i tryed to fit one of the link pins through the side plate hole it wouldn`t go, so my question is, is this how it should be ??

KK
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Post by: abruzzi on June 27, 2009, 03:29:32 AM
That's how mine was. It took quite a bit if banging to get mine on.

Geof
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Post by: Nick Calne on June 27, 2009, 10:01:14 AM
I popped one of these chains on last month and it took quite a good squeeze with the chain tool.  (Not easy when you are nursing broken bones in your hands!!!)
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Post by: swamper650 on June 27, 2009, 11:34:42 PM
When I replaced mine last year, rigged up a small c clamp to press them together Peened the link and have had  no issues since.
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Post by: KuzzinKenny on June 29, 2009, 01:44:17 AM
Thanks for the reply`s, guy`s !! it just seamed strange to force it on, so thought i`d check here !! Tigger is now fitted up with new chain and sprockets, i`ve gone for a 19t front and standard 46t rear !! :D  

i will get out for a ride as soon as this fog and drizzle stops  :(

KK
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on June 29, 2009, 07:27:16 PM
I think there's a couple of reasons for the tight fit:

a.  You press the plate onto the pins until it just closes the oil rings so as to keep the crap out; too much and you cause a stiff link which will run rough and wear out prematurely.  If it was an easy fit you'd rely on the peaning over of the pins to control how tight the link is, and it would inevitably wear loose.

b.  If the plate was an easy slip-on fit the very small gaps would allow the pins to flex as the chain tensions and relaxes leading to premature failure of the side plate.

I know the plates can fracture because, on my 900 Trident, on a chain that had done only 8,000 miles, after a spirited ride home I thought I'd lube the chain while it was warm, only to find 3 cracked plates  :shock:  any one of which could have let go when I was ragging it.
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Post by: KuzzinKenny on June 30, 2009, 02:26:55 AM
Thanks for the extra info Bixxer Bob, kinda makes sence now !! got out for a test run tonite, still foggy but got clearer the deeper inland i got, to the point where the sun was shining :)
but the last 20ml to home was foggy and very damp !! still, it was good to get out on the Tigger for 100ml run and everything feels OK !!

KK

ps i likee the 19t sprocket !! :)
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on June 30, 2009, 03:06:02 AM
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"but got clearer the deeper inland i got, to the point where the sun was shining :)

Come to the West where it's sunny  :XXsunsmile  :ImaPoser

Interesting info, haven't done a chain myself in years, things have moved on a bit.
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Post by: KuzzinKenny on July 01, 2009, 01:32:07 AM
Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"Come to the West where it's sunny  :XXsunsmile  :ImaPoser

Interesting info, haven't done a chain myself in years, things have moved on a bit.

Yip !! the curse of the east coast, FOG !! :( and as far as i can remember its the first time i`ve replaced a chain/sprockets on a bike and i`ve been ridin for years and had a load of bikes !! but i`ve never had a bike as grrrreat as the Tigger !! :)  

hope to keep it a long time !!

KK
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 01, 2009, 02:52:53 AM
Quote from: "KuzzinKenny"Yip !! the curse of the east coast, FOG !! :(

Be back in Maybole on Sat for a couple of weeks, the forecast looks like rain  :cry: I wouldn't wish fog on anyone, rain I can deal with.  

Now that you mention it, I can only ever recall changing a rear sprocket once, BSA C15 and then only because the carrier bolts had worked loose and the holes had opened out. Everything worked loose on that bike, damn thing was held together by Devcon & Threadlock, maybe it was the was the way I rode it  :oops:

I guess this is the price we pay for lighter weight and higher performance on modern bikes but I'm not complaing  :D

I nearly forgot to ask, how did you get on with the tool, I am still undecided which one to get. My criteria will include compact and light for use touring.
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on July 01, 2009, 10:52:07 PM
Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"Everything worked loose on that bike, damn thing was held together by Devcon & Threadlock, maybe it was the was the way I rode it  :oops:


My mate has an old Sunbeam.  He usually only goes for a coupe of miles bimble around the country lanes then puts it back in the garage, puts the oil tray under it.  Then he gets out his Pan European and goes round again picking up the bits that fell off.


 I asked him if he ever heard of threadlock.....
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Post by: KuzzinKenny on July 02, 2009, 01:40:55 AM
Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"I nearly forgot to ask, how did you get on with the tool

TOOL  :shock: 4" engineers vice, long nose mole grips and a small ball bearing ( DON`T TRY THIS AT HOME ) this is purely for the dumb and skint amongst us, like me :)

KK
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 02, 2009, 05:00:19 AM
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"and goes round again picking up the bits that fell off.


 I asked him if he ever heard of threadlock.....

Ah, a true collectors bike then  :lol:

QuoteTOOL Shocked 4" engineers vice, long nose mole grips and a small ball bearing

Right, I misunderstood, thought you had gotten the chain breaker and rivetter kit. I feel lost without a 4" engineers vice but they won't let me keep one on my desk in the office  :roll: and unless someone makes a cheap titanium version I am not putting one on the top box.

Anybody else got experiences of 'field' chain tools?
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Post by: JetdocX on July 02, 2009, 06:49:18 AM
Motion Pro makes a do it all chain tool.  Costs some $$$ but compact and all in one plastic case.  Unsure whether MP will ship to EU countries, but it's worth a look.  

http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0058/

I own one.  And it works. :wink:
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Post by: TigerTrax on July 02, 2009, 02:18:38 PM
You can get by without a chain tool....
but the MP is a very good, heavy duty kit.

Far better than carrying a s uper tough file, a punch, and a hammer....
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Post by: Sin_Tiger on July 03, 2009, 02:41:50 AM
Quote from: "TigerTrax"Far better than carrying a s uper tough file, a punch, and a hammer....

Oh you can't not carry a hammer  :roll:

I'll check with MP, they do do some interesting stuff, thanks JD.
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Post by: oxnsox on July 03, 2009, 04:20:16 AM
Quote from: "Sin_Tiger"Oh you can't not carry a hammer  :roll:
Every tool is a hammer... except for a screwdriver, which is also a chisel
(thou for bike folk that could also read Tire iron) :lol:
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on July 03, 2009, 07:10:50 PM
Can I just draw your attention to Stretch's post:

http://tigertriple.com/forum/viewtopic. ... ight=tools (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,5348&highlight=tools)
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Post by: blacktiger on July 18, 2009, 07:11:54 AM
[quote="Sin_Tiger] Anybody else got experiences of 'field' chain tools?[/quote]

Yeah. My experience is that you don't need a chain tool in the field for a Tiger. My chains are lasting around 30000 miles with a Scottoiler so it's unlikely I'd need to touch it at all whilst away on holidays.
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on July 19, 2009, 11:22:11 PM
Quote from: "blacktiger"[quote="Sin_Tiger] Anybody else got experiences of 'field' chain tools?

Yeah. My experience is that you don't need a chain tool in the field for a Tiger. My chains are lasting around 30000 miles with a Scottoiler so it's unlikely I'd need to touch it at all whilst away on holidays.[/quote][/quote]

+1!!!!

Never heard of a well maintained chain breaking - sprockets usually get so worn the chain jumps first, and you're gonna notice that.  Seen a couple of neglected chains snap though... not a pretty sight.
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Post by: outrunner on July 20, 2009, 07:32:50 PM
Kenny,
It's time you got rid of that Avatar, I was in the Kilmahog Woollen Mill cafe for breakfast a couple of weeks ago and boy has that place gone downhill.
Suffice to say I will not be going back there! :(


PS Sorry for hijacking the thread.  :oops:



Andy.
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Post by: KuzzinKenny on July 21, 2009, 01:30:23 AM
Quote from: "outrunner"Kenny,
It's time you got rid of that Avatar, I was in the Kilmahog Woollen Mill cafe for breakfast a couple of weeks ago and boy has that place gone downhill.
Suffice to say I will not be going back there! :(


PS Sorry for hijacking the thread.  :oops:



Andy.

Hey Andy, long time no see !! i thought someone might get it ?? why i had that avatar......................

Kill..........ma............HOG

yes/no

its a HD thing

KK

ps just for you Andy, its changed :)
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