Hi there,
Wondering if someone knows the fix! My 2005 Girly stalls twice after every initial start up. Not too sure, but it sounds like starving for fuel?? any and all help is appreciated :icon_salut
Does it start up fine for a second then choke up and die? Then start back up and run fine from there on out?
Pull the breather hose off of the stator cover, let me know how much oil drips out :?
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Hi there,
I checked this hose this morning, the bike has been sitting for 3 days and there was no sign of oil. Should i check it after i ride it?
Here are the simptoms again.
Bike starts on first hit of the start button and stumbles for about 2 seconds and dies. Hit start button again and bike will start and stumble for 6 seconds or so, then dies. Hit start button again and bike will stumble for about 3 seconds or so, then finally will come up to proper revs and off i go!
Anyone else have this same issue?
First, try the Twelve Minute Tune outlined a few posts down here: http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/msg,43660 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/msg,43660)
If that doesn't do the trick, you may need a fuel map reload.
Mine did the same thing for a few months, and the problem was gone as soon as my dealer re-downloaded the Off-Road Tune into my ECU.
I'm having the same problem since I put that Quill exhaust on my bike. I had the TOR tune loaded and it didn't seem to make any difference. I put the baffle back in the Quill and it ran quite a bit better, but the problem when starting it seems to be getting a little worse each time.
I haven't pulled tank to check the air box, but I had some oil dripping from the breather hose when I disconnected it from the stator cover. Wondered if oil wasn't dripping into the #3 cylinder while parked and causing it to run rough until it clears.
I tried the 12 minute tune and stil have the same symptoms. No change at all. I am going to call the Triumph dealer here in Hamilton and see if they can re map or if they have heard of this before. I will update
Sorry.
Do keep us posted.
Yeah the 12 min tune did nothing for me either. I may end up taking the bike in to have the oil breather seal re-done, since I obviously can't install an oil seal correctly.
Pardon the highjack, but I'm having a similar problem with slightly different symptoms. Mine starts right up, stumbles but does not die. After a few seconds, it sounds and runs fine. Then, within a block to a couple of miles, it stumbles again, won't rev, THEN dies. Starts right back up, but still won't rev. Sometimes after a start or two, it powers back up, sometimes I have to wait a few minutes. Has left me stranded three times this week.
I took it to my friend who has a car repair shop and pulled a code with his scanner. It had several, probably old ones (since I've never pulled or cleared them), but one said something about the throttle sensor. I can't remember the others. I even replaced the battery Friday, since it showed to be weak, but Saturday it died within two blocks from my house.
No dealer within 350 miles, so I can't get a remap easily. Wondering if it's worth pulling the tank, checking fuel related things like a fuel filter, kinked hoses, etc., or if possibly the throttle position sensor is bad based on the code (anyone ever experienced a bad TPS?) Haven't tried the 12 minute drill, maybe I should first. Oh, to elaborate on the facts a bit more, it's an '06, right at 12k miles, bone stock engine (original tune and pipe). Thoughts? Is there some type of Tiger virus going around right now or what?
Pletdj, sorry, but I thought maybe all our symptoms were close enough that sharing info might be productive.
Maybe there's some useful information in this thread:
http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,6443 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,6443)
Definitely try the 12 minute reset first with that problem. If that doesn't fix it there have been those with TPS's going bad.
Someone on another post claimed this was the same part.
http://store.alternatorparts.com/partno ... 02284.aspx (http://store.alternatorparts.com/partnomap1112delcooe213-796213-259213-351gmoe1618755616249939213-79621002284.aspx)
Update. I tried the 12 minute tune at midnight last night. Apparently, whatever my problem is, it's getting worse. Started it up, died immediately. Started again, died. Did this several times, finally started idling, but very rough and erratic. Died once or twice more before the fan kicked on, got exactly twelve minutes of rough/stumbling/erratic idle before dieing. Hopefully it hit the magic 12 minute mark. Decided to let it sit until I can slip away from work at lunch, also plan to borrow my friend's code reader and see what it comes up with. Will post the results, but based on how it was running (or not), I'm not optimistic.
EB and Stretch, I read the linked thread, guess I'll start going through the process of elimination later in the week. Betty, excuse my ignorance, but is the part you posted (manifold air pressure sensor) the same as a throttle position sensor? If not, is Triumph the only source for a TPS? If a new TSP is installed, would a trip to the dealer for a map zap still be required to let the new TSP "learn" the appropriate settings?
FF my gut feeling on yours is something like a small fuel screen blockage.
Beside that though... time to start a new thread so not to hijack this one further IMHO. Just throw in a link from this one to the new one.
You're absolutely right, coach. My apologies to pletdj.
I cut and pasted my highjacking to this thread:
http://tigertriple.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 3953#43953 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/msg,43953#43953)
The part I posted is a General Motors Throttle Position Sensor. I can't verify if it is the same as the Triumph part or not, but it was reported to be the same.
The TPS doesn't learn anything, it simply sends a voltage to the ECU based off it's position. The 12 minute reset should reset the sensor positions in the ECU and make it relearn them through your next rides.
If you change out the TPS, you would want to do another 12 minute idle to reset the ECU.
Quote from: "EvilBetty"The part I posted is a General Motors Throttle Position Sensor. I can't verify if it is the same as the Triumph part or not, but it was reported to be the same.
The part you posted is a Manifold Air Pressure Sensor.
Yes, sorry I have Throttle stuck on the brain. Again I'll have to go find the forum / post I got that from, where the person claimed that was the same part as the Triumph TPS.
I booked an appointment at the triumph dealer to have it re mapped. They believe this is the problem as well. I will let you know after this Saturday!
I completed the 12 minute tune this past Sunday and have not been able to ride to to rain. (yes i am a fair weather rider!! but i melt when i get wet!) :headbang
I have been starting the bike every morning and have noticed starting getting easier. Today i went out this morning and it fired up on the first attempt and stayed running strong!! This has not happened in the last 3-4 months at all. I think maybe it just needed time to allow the tune to take hold?? anyway, i cancelled my appointment to re map and will see how things go.
Quote from: "pletdj"I think maybe it just needed time to allow the tune to take hold??
After doing the 12-minute tune and resetting all the sensor values to the default settings, it takes a few warm / cool cycles for the ECU to learn and store the new sensor values.
Stretch is absolutely right. After the 12mt, all learned values in the ECM are reset. It will take at least three warm up/ cool down cycles until new values are learned and the bike starts responding to how you drive it.
Problem is back! Stalls after starting 2 times then fires up. Looks like a trip to the Triumph dealer is in the cards soon. :?
That's what it took for mine. Nothing else was wrong with the bike, but an Off-Road Tune reload fixed the cold stalling problem.
Quote from: "SERadtke"Stretch is absolutely right. After the 12mt, all learned values in the ECM are reset. It will take at least three warm up/ cool down cycles until new values are learned and the bike starts responding to how you drive it.
Yes the other day in the parking lot I mentioned it hadn't changed anything but it's now running smooth on idle for me Shawn. Seemed it just needed those cycles and didn't get it on the way in to work that day.
I'm late to the party (as always), but my 2003 was having the same problem. First push of the starter: nothing. Second push: it would start but die right away. Third push: party!
I followed Stretch's instructions for the 12 Minute Retune, and now she starts first time every time!!
So, much thanks to Stretch and everyone who posted about this. My local brewpub is holding beers for all of you.
I should have updated as well, mine has been performing perfectly as well. probably just needed time after tune to set in. :D
Good morning to all,
I know this thread is very old, but I wanted to share my experience with similar symptoms. Once again, I know the 12-minute tune up fixed this particular problem, but I had very similar symptoms on my 2006 at about the 4500 mile mark. Dealer tried code reader, loading off-road tune, re-loading standard tune, etc - with no success.
A call across the pond pointed them to an issue with the fuel system. Now, I can't recall which exact part was the culprit, but I seem to remember a fuel pump or sending unit or component of that system (such as a relay). I know the tank had to be removed to replace the part.
I know this doesn't specifically help with the OP's original problem, but I thought someone searching might find it useful. The symptoms were exactly the same other than eventually the bike would not start and had to be towed to the dealer. The problem progressed from occassional stalls to a no start condition within two weeks of daily riding.
Take care!
Clay