I stopped at a local dealer yesterday to have a TOR tune loaded in my 885. The dealer was unable to get into the map portion of the ECM. The ECM was asking for a 10 digit code but the manuals at the dealer on had 5 digit codes. Their book also did not list any tune as an "Off Road" tune. It only showed options for after market exhause with cat or w/o cat.
I searched but couldn't find a reference here to the codes. Maybe I'm just a poor searcher, dunno.
Any help would be appreciated. The mechanic confess that they rarely ever see Tigers in the shop. Mostly sport models.
Do they need a different computer for the older bikes? The mechanic showed me what he was doing with the computer, so I know he gave it his best shot.
I could be mistaken but the tunes for aftermarket exhaust are probably the ones referred to as "off road tune "
as even triumphs own exhaust for the tigers is for off road use only because it won't meet epa noise level requirements
can't help with the ecm codes .......no idea
Damn I love me carburetors
The first entry reqd is the Dealer ID which should only be 5 digits. The next entry is the date which is 6 digits. If it's asking for 10 digits, dealer should only put in the first five. If that doesn't work he should contact Triumph for advice.
Regarding the tunes, Mustang is right, there's no such thing as the off road tune, only standard tune with / without cat and aftermarket tune. I've never seen an aftermarket pipe with a cat (what would be the point?) and there's no tune in my library for one.
Thanks for the replies. I was actually in the shop with the mechanic(s) during the attempt. We could access the idle adjust and other parameters but not the tune codes.
As stated, the only listed tunes were for aftermarket exhausts. We felt that this was the appropriate tune. Although we had no luck accessing the tune section. The mechanics spoke with their sources and tried to just enter the listed code with no luck. It was the end of the day so he did not try to contact Triumph.
I am rarely near a dealer so I thought I'd give it a shot while there. It seems as though it may be more trouble than I have patientce. The shop I went to is a large euro multi-dealer (with seemingly quite competent mechanics). I don't want to spend several hours there trying to get in to the shop and then have them try to get info from Triumph.
I appreciate the help from you guys though. Maybe someone here will have experienced this before. I'm in Phoenix, AZ traveling so I have no raport with the local shop. At least my bike runs fine. I'd just like to get that extra that everyone speaks of. Maybe I'll find a Triumph shop with more experience in this area.
The code you're talking about is an "unlock" code which Triumph keep secret and Triumph dealers go onto the Triumph dealer website to get access.
Some people like "DealerTool" http://dealertool.web.officelive.com/default.htm (http://dealertool.web.officelive.com/default.htm) and Tuneboy have gained access to the codes and sell them along with their product. They call it an "ECU key".
Thank you. That makes sense. I'm surprised the local dealer did not know that. Oh well. Maybe I'll give them another shot. They are my only option.
I finally got the aftermarket pipe map loaded.
Here's my take:
Performance increase - a little but nothing to write home about
Fuel consumption - increased quite a bit. I went from an avg of 45mpg to 35mpg and as low as 29mpg on the freeway.
Worth it? - No, I did the 12 minute tune up to revert to the stock tune. Got my gas mileage back.
Yes I have the stock pipe.
I did not see what map the dealer loaded since I was not in the shop at the time, but the previous attempt I looked in the book with the Tech and I asked for the aftermarket pipe tune for my 885 since there is no "off-road" tune.
Maybe he loaded one for a 955?
Quote from: "macgart"Worth it? - No, I did the 12 minute tune up to revert to the stock tune. Got my gas mileage back.
The 12 minute tune won't affect the map which is written into the ECU semi-permanently.
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The only way to revert back to your original tune map is to reload it the same way you loaded the aftermarket map ...................
I agree with both of the above, however, if your mileage is back to normal, that could be because you've re-set the trims with the 12 min tune(which should have been reset when the new tune was loaded; if they wern't you'd be using old trims with a new tune and that wouldn't help).
Thanks for the info guys. I learn something every time I visit this site.
The trims must have made the difference, because the mileage is definitely better. The performance is pretty much the same. Maybe the aftermarket can tune was already loaded and I just didn't know?
It ran good at sea level but is pretty flat above 7k feet. It could just be me though.
At this altitude, I usually have to downshift to 4th to make an effective pass of a vehicle. The power is really flat below about 6k rpm as well. I have not done a compression/leak down test. I wanted to check compression during my last service over the winter but didn't have access to the equipment.
I'm probably just being paranoid. I also got spoiled by riding my friend's 1050 Speedy so that really skews my perception of performance. I realize they are apples and oranges.
Don't know about the 885 but the 955 has an air pressure sensor to compensate for altitude. This is in the ECU but is fed by a pipe from the airbox. Perhaps this pipe is crimped / missing?
Spot on Ian. If it's not compensating for altitiude there's likely a leak somewhere. The pipe connects to an elbow at the rear right side of the airbox then follows the frame rail down the right side appearing under the seat near the ECM and connecting to it. It allows the sensor in the ECM to know the air pressure in the airbox so that the ECM can work out how much oxygen is available and meter the fuel to suit.
Regarding trims, it's not unusual for it to run a bit rough for a few miles after resetting the trims until it re-adjusts itself. If it ran well after resetting the trims, and then got rougher, it may be a sensor not working right.
If you're unsure, it wouldn't hurt to reset the trims again and see what happens. If it goes good then not so good after a few miles somethings sending the trims the wrong way.
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Spot on Ian.
Thank you kind sir. Tried that tune yet?
Not had a chance, been in training full time to be a civvi again. Had a run down to Brighton and back this week (for another course), but decided best stick with a tune I know in case I run into trouble away from home.
It'll be interesting to see what it does though, if I remember right it's an 855i tune whereas my Girly is two generations of tune further on (post VIN change).
No it's 955i but the early one (spoked wheel).
Thanks for the replies. There is a sensor in the airbox. I'll check the hose to the ECM. I'm due to service the air filter anyway.
It does run smooth, just doesn't have much pull until about 6k+ rpm. It felt much stronger at lower elevation. It starts easily and runs fine, no surging etc. When I give it a handful, it builds rpm steadily and consistently but does not feel strong until close to 7k rpm. Hence the multiple downshift for passing.
Again, it could just be me. Or, the 885 just doesn't have the torque the 955 and 1050 have.
Again, thank you all for the kind and knowledgeable replies.
Sensor in the air box is for air temp....
I cleaned my air filter today and didn't notice any hose going to the ECM or any place for a connection to the airbox. There is a sensor, as BixerBob noted and it was connected.
She is running well enough considering the altitude, so I'm just gonna quite worrying and ride.
Thanks all.
Next time you have the tank off have a look at the rear right side of the airbox above the oil vent hose which is underneath (the electrical air temp sensor is at the front right). You should see either a grommet with a white plastic elbow in it and a black plastic tube going from the elbow under the frame rail or else a hole blanked off of some sort. If the hole is blanked off there's shenanigins afoot. If the hose is in place follow it back. Now go to the ECM under the seat at the rear (the alumnium box with two big plugs connected to it - one grey one black). On the right front you'll see either a black plastic hose connected to it with a short length of rubber pipe or - if nothing at all - a recessed hole. Inside the recessed hole is a tube that the rubber hose should push over. That's the air pressure sensor.
It sounds as though some monkey has removed your pipe and elbow for some reason. In any event, you say it's flat below 6k revs; it'll run better if you put it right.
That's a MAP sensor then? Do the 885i's run the same arrangement?
True for 955i, dunno about the 855i, although I'm pretty sure they use the same Sagem ECM. I'll do some more digging when I get back tonight.
Thanks for the detailed explanation Bix. I'll do that soon. I'm heading out to Moab today for a week or so. I may have time to look at it while I'm down there. I'll post up what I find and any pics if relevant.
Now I'm just curious.
Resetting the trims definitely cured my gas mileage problems. I have ran through a couple of tanks since then and I'm back to 45+ mpg on average.
Thanks much for the continued responses. I like to know as much as possible about my bikes.