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Tiger Time => Steamers (1993-1998 Tigers) => Topic started by: rf9rider on April 15, 2010, 05:54:30 AM

Title: Engine swap?
Post by: rf9rider on April 15, 2010, 05:54:30 AM
OK Chaps, i`ve only had my Steamer a couple of months, and so far so good.
I`ve just bought another frame and getting a few parts together to build a "special"  :lol:
I`m doing the 3 spoke wheel conversion, but the main change is the engine.
Has anyone tried or have any info on fitting the Daytona 1200 motor?
Looking at the early Triumph frames, they all look fairly similar?
I`m just waiting on a few answers on dimensions of the 1200 motor, just wanting to see if the 1200 motor is any wider or taller, to see if there will be a problem fitting the Tiger bodywork and tank.
Any thoughts/ideas welcome.  :D
No hurry as this will be a slow work in progress.  :shock:
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Post by: Timbox2 on April 15, 2010, 08:11:25 AM
I know Triumphant Motors in Merthyr Tydfil have put a 1200 in an old speed triple, but Im sure ive read that the Steamer frame is quite different to all the others, not saying it cant be done though.
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Post by: NeilD on April 15, 2010, 08:18:35 AM
might be worth having a word with Sandy at Triumph-Ant as I believe he's quite experienced in choppign and changing engines etc..

http://www.triumph-ant.co.uk/bikes.html (http://www.triumph-ant.co.uk/bikes.html)

if it was me, I'd go down the speed-triple-ise route, maybe with 750 pistons to raise the compression... somewhere I have an article about one that was built by Brian at Jack Lilleys - he had the advantage of runningthe spares department there at the time, so had pick of the best bits.. I'll try and dig it out..

edit - timbox - looks like our posts crossed and we had the same idea!!
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Post by: NeilD on April 15, 2010, 09:02:12 AM
hope this works
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Post by: NeilD on April 15, 2010, 09:03:29 AM
part 2
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Post by: rf9rider on April 15, 2010, 05:16:12 PM
Cheers for that Neil.
Already spoke to Sandy at Triumph-ant about the front wheel change, nice helpful friendly bloke.
MIght have to give him another call about the motor.
As i say, its going to be a slow job, getting bits and doing stuff when and if.

Where is that article from Neil?
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Post by: NeilD on April 15, 2010, 09:09:26 PM
It was from the Jack Lilley in-house magazine....  used to lust over the bike when i used to visit there when i had my first one...
Title: Speed Triple to Four
Post by: Colonel Nikolai on April 16, 2010, 03:48:35 AM
Knew a guy who tooled around here with a Speed Triple that had a 1200 Trophy engine in it. Fit just fine.
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Post by: Nick Calne on April 16, 2010, 11:19:06 AM
I met a bloke in bristol who was planning to fit a 1200 engine to his steamer.  Haven't seen him around for a month or so on it, so I guess he's getting on with the transplant.

How's that for heresay?
Title: Re: Speed Triple to Four
Post by: Sin_Tiger on April 16, 2010, 11:26:16 AM
Quote from: "Colonel Nikolai"Knew a guy who tooled around here with a Speed Triple that had a 1200 Trophy engine in it. Fit just fine.

I think I saw him last time home, feet and back wheel sticking out of a hedge in Shropshire  :lol:
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Post by: rf9rider on April 17, 2010, 09:33:36 AM
Quote from: "nickcalne"I met a bloke in bristol who was planning to fit a 1200 engine to his steamer.  Haven't seen him around for a month or so on it, so I guess he's getting on with the transplant.

How's that for heresay?

If you see him again, ask him...............if you can catch him....... :lol:
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Post by: Nick Calne on April 17, 2010, 12:30:57 PM
Will do.
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Post by: rf9rider on June 07, 2010, 06:21:31 PM
Just a quick update on this.
Spoken to Sandy at Triumphant, the 1200 motor does fit straight in, but, the fuel tap fouls the 1200 carbs, and needs moving.
He said he couldn`t find a solution, so never did the swap, and he couldn`t find anyone to work with the plastic tank to move the tap.

The saga continues..................
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Title: vacuum operated domesticated rooster
Post by: Colonel Nikolai on June 07, 2010, 08:41:15 PM
Seems like the 1200 is set up like my sprint with a vacuum operated petcock.
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Post by: rf9rider on June 10, 2010, 01:50:44 AM
Looking at the bottom of the Tiger tank, moving the tap is not an option?

Now looking at option of fitting another tank with the Tiger tank cut down and fitted over the top, keeping the original looks.  :idea:

Or maybe just fit a Speed Triple motor  :lol:
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Post by: NeilD on June 10, 2010, 08:38:12 AM
wonder how close to the tank outlet whatever gets in the way is... ?  maybe a pingel tap would work as they have a choice of outlet positions... ?  or just go for a handmade ally tank!  :D
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Post by: Bixxer Bob on June 10, 2010, 03:20:45 PM
Can you post up a pic of how the tap mounts?  I've never had a steamer but I'm thinking it's like my old 900 Trident.  Or I could pop over one evening....
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Post by: rf9rider on June 10, 2010, 05:51:55 PM
Quote from: "NeilD"wonder how close to the tank outlet whatever gets in the way is... ?  maybe a pingel tap would work as they have a choice of outlet positions... ?  or just go for a handmade ally tank!  :D

If you look at the left hand  side of motor, then imagine another carb added onto the end, theres no room whatsoever, the 1200 motor is near enough the same as the 900, only wider.

I have a new Pingel tap i bought, but keeping that to use on the next rebuild, my original doesn`t leak if you leave it in the on position.
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Post by: rf9rider on June 10, 2010, 05:53:58 PM
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Can you post up a pic of how the tap mounts?  I've never had a steamer but I'm thinking it's like my old 900 Trident.  Or I could pop over one evening....

Cheers Bob, i`ll get some pics tomorrow, my day off! (bet it rains)
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Post by: rf9rider on June 12, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
It rained!  :lol:

After more measuring, seems the 1200 motor swap is a no go, the 1200 motors outer carbs will foul the bottom of the tank both sides, plus the problem of the fuel tap.
Only solution would be to use a different tank, which defeats the object as i want to keep the original looks.
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Post by: rybes on August 21, 2011, 07:14:32 PM
did you give up on this idea RF ? as im thinkin of givin it a go one day. there was that one on ebay so it can be done, somehow  :?

damn, jus spent an  hour on here lookin for the ebay link i posted up for it but cant find it. :(
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Post by: rf9rider on August 21, 2011, 10:47:57 PM
Haven`t completely dismissed it, still got to try and find out how it was done.
I did ask the owner of that one on Ebay a few questions, but never got a reply.
MIght have to speak to Sandy at Triumphant or perhaps someone at Jack Lilly might be able to help.
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Post by: rybes on September 01, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
ive been thinkin about this a lot just recently and apart from the petrol tap problem, wich i think i got an idea for ;) the only thing that bothers me is the cdi unit. will it plug in and work of the standard loom ? been lookin at prices for complete bikes too. they dont seem to bad and i reckon itd be easier than sourcin all the bits seperatly. you could always fit the 900 from the tiger in it and sell it back on as a complete bike.
did you ever get in touch with jack lilly RF ? was thinkin of sendin them an email but didnt in case you had already done it. if not, ill get on it later today
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Post by: rf9rider on September 01, 2011, 11:09:39 PM
After looking again, i reckon the actual Tiger tank may be in the way.
With the extra width of the 4 carbs on the 1200 motor, looks like both end carbs will foul the actual tank?

And i still haven`t got around to speaking to Lillys.

I`m off work all next week, so i`m going to start doing a few jobs to get the new rebuild underway, so might have a proper measure up and see whats what.

PM me your idea, would like to know more!
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Post by: rf9rider on September 02, 2011, 11:22:56 AM
After looking at the Steamer again, i have a cunning plan!
I`ll try it over the weekend and let you know  :D
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