Well I was cleaning her up this am and found some problems with the chain. And some rub marks on the swing arm.
(http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af326/BobTosi/DSCF9512.jpg)
What the rear sprocket looks like
(http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af326/BobTosi/DSCF9514.jpg)
The slack while on the center stand
(http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af326/BobTosi/DSCF9515.jpg)
(http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af326/BobTosi/DSCF9516.jpg)
the right side adjuster
(http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af326/BobTosi/DSCF9520.jpg)
My concerns are that I just adjusted the chain about a month ago, there's a tight section in the chain as I rotate the wheel completely around, the adjuster is almost to the last alignment mark.........
So if I have given enough info throw some suggestions to me.. My other concern is i dont know how many miles on this chain. I havent found the log of the chain replacement in the PO's log he gave me.
Time for a new chain and sprocket set?
If you have a tight spot and you're having to adjust more than once every 2,000 miles or so it needs a new c&s IMO.
and your chain rub thing is missing from the top of the swingarm..??
from this thread
http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/postin ... te&p=58447 (http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/posting.php?mode=quote&p=58447)
Quote from: "Mustang"Quote from: "HappyMan"I'm not sure what they mean by inspect and measure 20 links. Perhaps someone else can decipher that one.
because the links grow in length as the pin rollers wear which changes the pitch of the chain length
example if the chain is 5/8 inch between roller centers (pitch of each link) , which is what tigers are BTW.
.625 (5/8ths) x 20(# of links ) = 12.5 inches
so if you measure the chain you should have 12.5 inches for every 20 links
measure it in a couple of different spots as chains usually wear uneven
**NOTE a chain that has worn only .010 of an inch on each link pin will have grown by 1 1/8 inch in length over the entire length of the chain **
anything other than 12.5 inches in 20 links is showing a worn chain and new sprockets should be used with a new chain as the old chain has worn the sprockets down to match whatever the links grew by
As Neil said, your rubbing strip is missing.
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/rf9rider/IMGP2223.jpg)
And is the rubbing block fitted underneath?
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v428/rf9rider/IMGP2226.jpg)
The rub strip on the top of the swing arm is there and the block on the bottom is a homemade one that is also there and in good shape I believe. I'll have to get some measurements on the chain and go over the PO's log again to see when the chain was replaced last.
If I end up replacing the chain , should new rub blocks be installed top and bottom also? So everything is new at the same time?
Quote from: "Bob Tosi"If I end up replacing the chain , should new rub blocks be installed top and bottom also? So everything is new at the same time?
sometimes I do sometimes I don't depends what they look like
if the bottom rub block is worn into more than a 1/2 inch deep it's a no brainer to replace it for less than 20 bucks
and if those are fresh marks on the swingarm then you need a new rub strip
about 40 bucks or less
(http://i231.photobucket.com/albums/ee47/2uoykcuf/parts/IMGP2223.jpg)
Marks are fresh. Looks like I need to start getting parts coming. Where do you guys get oil filters? What about the rubs block?
Sprockets: 18 front?, 48 rear?
Quote from: "Bob Tosi"Marks are fresh. Looks like I need to start getting parts coming. Where do you guys get oil filters? What about the rubs block?
Sprockets: 18 front?, 48 rear?
Oil filters can be gotten at walmart or VIP auto stores they are FRAM
Ebay is another good source to get oil filters , you can usually get 3 for 15 bucks off ebay
I get the rear sprocket from Dennis Kirk online for 56 bucks it's a steel JT
The front sprocket I get from Motorcycle superstore it's a JT as well (they don't list them for tigers , you have to order one for a Trophy ,( same thing )
I usually get my chains from Motorcycle superstore also , I use an EK o-ring chain with gold side plates less than a 100 bucks
rub strip and rub blocks are dealer only .or bike bandit .
chain and sprocket job will cost you
rear sprocket .48 tooth................$56
Front sprocket .18 tooth...............$23
EK SRO oring chain 114 link black $85
new rub strip ..............................$26
rub block.....................................$19
4 qts of oil (mobil 1 4T) ................$38
new filter ....................................$5 or so
total............................................$252
$350 or so if you need to buy a tool
If you take it to a dealer for this job it will be in the 500 dollar range for parts and labor
and if you don't have a rivet tool for the master link you need to buy one of them too Motion Pro about a 100 bucks is the good one to have
Is the filter interchangeable with a car?
The rub blocks must come from a dealer,?
Thanks Mustang
Quote from: "Bob Tosi"Is the filter interchangeable with a car?
No they are motorcycle specific FRAM 6012 fits the steamers
QuoteThe rub blocks must come from a dealer,?
Thanks Mustang
well seeing as you have homemade ones on there you are either going to have to make your own or go back to OEM , OEM's are only available at the dealer or bike bandit
The top one is OEM I believe and the bottom one was made by the previous owner.
Is this the chain tool:
http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0135/
or this one:
http://www.motionpro.com/motorcycle/partno/08-0467/
front sprocket choice:
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=80528518&store=Main&catId=&productId=p805285&leafCatId=&mmyId=
rear sprocket choice:
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=&store=Main&catId=&productId=p805305&leafCatId=&mmyId=
Chain choice:
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=119922130&store=Main&catId=&productId=p119922100&leafCatId=&mmyId=
but in 120 links not 130 as shown on that page.
all for under $200. Would a step up in quality on the chain be worth it?
either one will work although the 75 dollar one has some weak components that WILL break easily
like everything ..you get what you pay for
Hey Bob...
Previous Owner here checking in (hadn't been here in a while).
The chain and sprockets were replaced by the owner before me...(orig owner) at approx. the 15K mile mark (check pile of reciepts). All I ever did with it was the occasional lube and adjust (rarely needed). That means the chain is currently at ~18-19K miles.
I did replace the swing-arm rubber strip one time but it appears to be removed in your first picture. The slight wear on the swing-arm was already there and is minor. And yes, the bottom chain rubbing block is my own creation but I also gave you an OEM unit that is easily installed.
Hope the bike is treating you well,
Regards,
Brendan
Quote from: "Bob Tosi"front sprocket choice:
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=80528518&store=Main&catId=&productId=p805285&leafCatId=&mmyId=
rear sprocket choice:
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=&store=Main&catId=&productId=p805305&leafCatId=&mmyId=
Chain choice:
http://www.denniskirk.com/jsp/product_catalog/Product.jsp?skuId=119922130&store=Main&catId=&productId=p119922100&leafCatId=&mmyId=
but in 120 links not 130 as shown on that page.
all for under $200. Would a step up in quality on the chain be worth it?
that front sprocket link is for a honda cbx 1050 I don't think dennis kirk sells a front sprocket for tiggers
they are smokin deal for the rear JT sprocket though
motorcycle superstore has the fronts and better prices on chains
QuoteThat means the chain is currently at ~18-19K miles.
Well then it is definately time for a new chain and sprocket set. And yes Brenden she is treating me very well. I've put about 1500 miles on her. Alot of it in the dirt too.
Quotethat front sprocket link is for a honda cbx 1050 I don't think dennis kirk sells a front sprocket for tiggers
they are smokin deal for the rear JT sprocket though
motorcycle superstore has the fronts and better prices on chains
Mustang as always thanks for your smarts on Tigers.
Motorcycle superstore front sprocket:
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/5/85/7789/18784/PITEM/JT-530-Front-Countershaft-Sprocket-1998-Triumph-Trophy-900-Parts.aspx
this is the only EK chain I could find that should work:
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/185/5621/ITEM/EK-530MVX-X-Ring-Chain.aspx
Not what is shown in your thread Mustang.
Is there a big difference in the quality of sprocket from JT and Renthal?
probaly no diff in quality for either jt or renthal
I just prefer JT's
chain a black side plate one is 84 bucks and you can get it the right length at 114 ...the gold side plated one costs a litte more and only comes in 120 link so you will need a chain breaker ....and either chain is going to require a rivet tool for the master link .
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/ ... Chain.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/185/54...O-Ring-Chain.aspx)
At Motorcycle Super Store Renthal front sprockets are 13$ more.
was going with this chain:
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/185/5601/ITEM/EK-525MVX--X-Ring-Chain.aspx
or
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/1/4/61/5412/ITEM/DID-530V-Professional-Series-O-Ring-Chain.aspx
bob just go with this one and save yourself some money ............
It works extremely well on a steamer
http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/ ... Chain.aspx (http://www.motorcycle-superstore.com/2/9/185/5467/ITEM/EK-530-SRO-O-Ring-Chain.aspx)
I'm trying to get everything from one store. So I found a front sprocket for a 98 thunderbird sport. will that fit the Steamer?
same sprocket as tbird get an 18 tooth for stock gearing
17 will raise your rpm by 500 and a 19 will drop it by 500 but first will be mighty tall for off road
I was going through looking at chains. Chains dont usually come with a master link do them? So I guess I'll need to order one of those also?
all chains come with a rivet type master link .not the old school clip type , get a motion pro tool or you will be sorry :shock:
Looking at the pictures, I wouldn't be surprised if your front sprocket and/or your rear sprocket are smaller than standard.
QuoteLooking at the pictures, I wouldn't be surprised if your front sprocket and/or your rear sprocket are smaller than standard.
I'll double check them but I am sure they are stock.
What looks different that would lead you to say that?
Also, if I drop one tooth in the rear that should lower my top end rpm's right?
!st gear in the dirt will be effectively taller?
Quote from: "Bob Tosi"QuoteLooking at the pictures, I wouldn't be surprised if your front sprocket and/or your rear sprocket are smaller than standard.
I'll double check them but I am sure they are stock.
What looks different that would lead you to say that?
Also, if I drop one tooth in the rear that should lower my top end rpm's right?
!st gear in the dirt will be effectively taller?
The height of the chain across the top of the swing arm makes me think that one or both are smaller than stock. But it could just be the lack of slider making the chain sag lower :)
the final gear ratio on a steamer with 18/48 sprockets is 2.67 : 1
18/47 =2.61:1
18/46 =2.56:1
18/45=2.50:1
18/43=2.39:1
17/48 =2.82:1
changing 1 tooth on the front is equal to changing 3 on the rear
The reason I was asking this question is that Dennis Kirk doesnt have a 48 for the rear, not in stock. So I have found a 47 and a 46 that they have and should work. Was thinking of going with this. The 46 is off a 2002 Daytona 955.
Quote from: "Bob Tosi"The reason I was asking this question is that Dennis Kirk //doesnthavea48fortherear,notinstock.SoIhavefounda47anda46thattheyhaveandshouldwork.Wasthinkingofgoingwiththis.The46isoffa2002Daytona955.[/quote]Checkout[url]http://www.gearingcommander.com/. I submitted a profile for the 93-98 Tiger. It has a fair bit of useful information about getting the correct sprocket sizes and chain length.
From personal experience, I wouldn't go lower than a 46 on the rear.
Quote from: "Bob Tosi"The reason I was asking this question is that Dennis Kirk doesnt have a 48 for the rear, not in stock. So I have found a 47 and a 46 that they have and should work. Was thinking of going with this. The 46 is off a 2002 Daytona 955.
sprocket for an 02 daytona
WILL NOT fit
go to sprocket specialists , you need their p/n #2693 it's an aluminum alloy and tough as nails . I have used em before you can get any size between 32 to 71 teeth , they only have steel ones that fit tiger in 43 tooth (too small unless you went with a 17 front) but I would go with an 18/48 combo
http://www.sprocketspecialists.com/ProductSearch2.aspx (http://www.sprocketspecialists.com/ProductSearch2.aspx)
They are in Oroville , which is right next door to Chico :D
Quote from: "Mustang"sprocket for an 02 daytona WILL NOT fit
go to sprocket specialists , you need their p/n #2693 it's an aluminum alloy and tough as nails . I have used em before you can get any size between 32 to 71 teeth , they only have steel ones that fit tiger in 43 tooth (too small unless you went with a 17 front) but I would go with an 18/48 combo
http://www.sprocketspecialists.com/ProductSearch2.aspx (http://www.sprocketspecialists.com/ProductSearch2.aspx)
They are in Oroville , which is right next door to Chico :D
Seriously, don't go lower than 46 on the rear else your chain will rub against the top of the swing arm - even with a slider fitted and with the correct chain tension.
Quote from: "CoolHandLuke"Quote from: "Mustang"they only have steel ones that fit tiger in 43 tooth (too small unless you went with a 17 front) but I would go with an 18/48 combo
Seriously, don't go lower than 46 on the rear else your chain will rub against the top of the swing arm - even with a slider fitted and with the correct chain tension.
who woulda thunk .................unless you flip the axle 180 degrees
Quote from: "Mustang"Seriously, don't go lower than 46 on the rear else your chain will rub against the top of the swing arm - even with a slider fitted and with the correct chain tension.
who woulda thunk .................unless you flip the axle 180 degrees[/quote]
One way to solve the problem :)
I will probably go with Sprocket specialist for the whole thing just because Dennis Kirk has no responded to my emails yet. S S has everything and they are a little more expensive but I can drive and see what I am getting and not pay shipping.