Now that the 2011 bikes are revealed and new "spy" shots of a 1200 with a shaft drive for 2012 is out what's the future of the 1050 Tiger? Anybody with connections heard anything? Will it stay the same, will it get upgraded (it's about time), will it get dropped from the lineup?
Doesn't look like anyone gives a monkey's :roll:
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I'll be interested to see what Triumph do,the 955/1050 motor is at the end of it's development,and clearly they have to move on,but blimey it'll be interesting,the 955 luddites were jumping up and down over the 1050 god knows what will happen with this 1200,because it really is going to be a major change in direction,and with the shaft drive as well,by it's very nature means it'll be a big old bus,and not a lightweight at that.
I think you're right Chris, but I for one would be interested in a 1200 shaft drive Trophy with looks that aren't as grandad as the old Trophy and not as Transformers as a Pan, somehwere in between...
Oh and big comfy seats, waterproof, useable luggage, 200 mile range, heated grips, I can take or leave ABS although it would be nice, FUELING THAT WORKS, easily adjusted suspension Triumph's usual high standard of finish and a price tag significantly below the competition.
Not much to ask eh?
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"I think you're right Chris, but I for one would be interested in a 1200 shaft drive Trophy with looks that aren't as grandad as the old Trophy and not as Transformers as a Pan, somehwere in between...
Oh and big comfy seats, waterproof, useable luggage, 200 mile range, heated grips, I can take or leave ABS although it would be nice, FUELING THAT WORKS, easily adjusted suspension Triumph's usual high standard of finish and a price tag significantly below the competition.
Not much to ask eh?
Well thats were I draw the line,even though I ride two up most of the time,I'm R1 in my head,I'll be driving a motorhome with monkey bike on the bike,before I go the barn door route.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"Well thats were I draw the line,even though I ride two up most of the time,I'm R1 in my head,I'll be driving a motorhome with monkey bike on the bike,before I go the barn door route.
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I think you know I'm almost there! Bought a motorhome this summer and recently bought a trailer for the Tiger. Being able to take a bike with us was a must otherwise.... might as well have saved a load of dosh and bought a caravan :roll:
The idea is we've both had enough of roughing it in tents (wife was a scout leader for many many years) and B&B can get really expensive. This way we park up for a couple of days in each place and tour using the bike.
Well we did the wandering around Europe looking at the views for 25 years,it's race meetings and visiting friends now and has been for the last 10,so hotelling it is the norm.
Whilst they're still selling street triples I don't see the engine disappearing
Quote from: "oxnsox"Whilst they're still selling street triples I don't see the engine disappearing
Me neither,the question is,how big is the new 1200 going to be?,if it turns out that it's a big old bus,maybe the 1050 will remain an option for some,particularly with the new 800 out the offroaders are happy.
Here in the UK,Honda were adament that the VFR 800 was finished,I had a mate trying to buy one earlier this year,'No Chance' they told him,the new VFR 1200 was such a success :roll: ,they have re introduced the 800!!
As I said in another post about the 955 V 1050 debate,this new 1200 is going to be mighty risky shaft and all.
But aren't they just dusting off the research they did some time ago into a hyperbike? Rumour had it it would have been a 'Busa-beater. MCN even had some spy shots of a prototype. Should save them a big chunk of early development costs....
Have to say as a tourer I would look very favourably on a 1200 with shaft drive. may be too big for off roading but would still do a bit of sensible dirt track (no mud).
Maybe after the 800xc starts selling like hot cakes triumph will finally come out with a 1050xc?
Surely there'd be enough percieved difference between say a 1050 street triple and a new radical (shaft?) 1200 based beast... at least for a season or so which would let them decide where the 'market' lies.
It'd let them make Euro compliant bikes and ones for the rest of us.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
Quote from: "brad1098"Maybe after the 800xc starts selling like hot cakes triumph will finally come out with a 1050xc?
Not a snowballs chance in hell.
BM 800 hasn't been a big seller I don't see the Triumph being any better,steady seller at best.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"BM 800 hasn't been a big seller I don't see the Triumph being any better,steady seller at best.
I agree; although it doesn't make any sense. I see a 1200GS equivalent being a better seller. If you are a serious ADV rider the 800 is the better bike - either BMW or Triumph. But the testosterone-led balls-over-brains majority of buyers that go no further than the local Costa will always opt for the bigger bike (and I even include myself here - 800 meets my needs but when it comes to writing a cheque I'd probably end up with the 1200) because if you have a 1200 you think anyone that goes for the smaller bike is somehow lacking when in fact the truth is the reverse.
A good big'un will beat a good little'un every time,unless your offroading which the majority don't,and what always make me smile the KTM Adventure is the best road/offroad by an absolutely country mile,with the important 21" front wheel te-boot,and it's a piss poor seller,because folk don't want to really have a hard core bike,it's all about playing pretend 5/10 year olds,which is pretty odd considering the age of most riders :roll:
I think we're both saying basically the same, on road the big 'un will normally win but off-road it's the reverse. But they rarely go off-road.... occasionally wade maybe but I'm not going there - figuratively or otherwise :oops:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"I think we're both saying basically the same, on road the big 'un will normally win but off-road it's the reverse. But they rarely go off-road.... occasionally wade maybe but I'm not going there - figuratively or otherwise :oops:
And neither do the majority, and after so many folk have been kiddng themselves they are now be honest and buying what they need and not what impresses next door!!,hence the 1050 and the Multistrada have been such sale success's.
My 955 has a groove on the inside of my Remus can from the rear brake caliper when the Ohlins was fully compressed and bottomed out,going across a French railway crossing fully loaded two up at over 3 figures,I'm not sure this 1200 will appeal the same,but hey there's a long way to go.
Ah, now I see why the 1050 designers did what they did. They took all the offroad out of it "because we figure nobody really takes them offroad" Really? Must not be any good gravel in the U.K.?
Across the pond the adventure touring market segment is the largest growing motorcycle segment. Triumph is jumping back on the band-wagon with Yamaha and Honda. Due partially to the success of the BMW's. If we all just wanted a dirtbike we would have KTM's and Husky's. Its the versatility that I desire.
Speaking for us 'little people' I think there are other variables that come into play in the adventure/dual sport 'bigger is better' view. Before the BMW & Triumph 800's there really wasnt much on the menu as welterweights, at least not available in the US. I have a Girly, Uly & KLR. All good, but all different machines & Fine for what they were designed for. If you're 5'8" & 165 # (me) - I think the 800's are plenty of Beast for the adventure minded, on tarmac or dirt road. I 'test rode' the f800GS (my buddies) for about 200 mi. I liked it - had plenty of all I needed for a "swiss Army" do it all machine. I'm more partial to Tigers than GS's, so decided to wait till the 800XC is available to consider replacing my current 3 with 1. My riding partner is 6'2" & 200# - also has a 1200GS - he prefers the 800 for the rough stuff - but more comfy on the 1200 for the long haul. Us smaller folks I think, can step down a size and not sacrifice comfort for adventure - size does matter here.
Quote from: "brad1098"Ah, now I see why the 1050 designers did what they did. They took all the offroad out of it "because we figure nobody really takes them offroad" Really? Must not be any good gravel in the U.K.?
The vast majority don't,hence why the 955 didn't put a dent in the GS sales but the 1050 did and with the sales of the Multistrada,BMW are looking over their shoulder at what the others are up to,instead of rthe other way round.
Triumph's 800 is just covering the angles that other manafacturers have done,you want a dual purpose road/offroad even comes with a 21" front and just great to ride, go buy an Africa Twin,but if your in the States,you'll have to import yourself,as they never had it,and they were making them in 1990!!.
Wondered if this is something Triumph have in mind for the 1050 progression :?:
Thoughts anyone :?:
All the best,
Mat-Tiger1 :thumbsup
Since I have no desire whatsoever to take any off road trips on anything but a pure off road bike I'm hoping that Triumph continues the road development of the 1050. I'd really like to see it simply updated a bit (chain drive only please). Have considered getting a used one to play around with but patiently waiting to see what happens with it. I was beginning to like the idea of the new sprint gt until I saw that it had marginal suspension, been overfed, and stretched. Silly as it may sound but one of the deal breakers for me regarding the 1050 is the crap luggage...that won't even fit a helmet?
Quote from: "mat-tiger1"Wondered if this is something Triumph have in mind for the 1050 progression :?:
Thoughts anyone :?:
All the best,
Mat-Tiger1 :thumbsup
What Ican't make out with Honda who the hell runs the marketing dept??,the Africa Twin was one of the greats,they bring the Varadero out and instead of carrying on were they left off,turn up with an over weight tub of guts,now they want to do 4 cylinder adventure or what ever you want to call it :?
Anyone with half a brain would have gone 1000cc VFR and 1300 Blackbird,instead there is one bike a VFR1200 that no bugger likes :?
Good point Chris... I think Honda have lost their way in recent years. As if a committee looked at what the rest were doing, picked out what they thought were the essential elements and rolled them all into one bike while thinking how lucky the world is to have a Honda. Or it could be like their moto GP team, "We are the best motorcycle engineers in the world therefore the rider is not important, and if the bike isn't a winner it must be because the rider is at fault".
This looks like being as big a lemon as the Crossrunner or whatever it's called - that purple cruiser / commuter thing.
Again, Honda, Triumph, etc. are killing power to weight on entirely tractable platforms by adding on shaft drives and extra pounds. Ugly I can live with, 560 pounds dry I can't. While I like the idea of having more power, I'm not sure it will do anything but tempt me to use it all the time. Less weight, no abs, no traction control...put the money in the suspension and brakes...that's the ticket for me. Yeah, and some decently useful luggage.
Almost forgot, one of the great thing the tigers of the last few years have that Honda and and others have completely missed is range. I mean really, an AT/ST bike that can only go 160 miles on a tank?
I'm with Jpish here, being of a similar size. For short town and abouts I hop on the Versys, because its lighter and easier for that. And it has a peakiness about it that makes if feel more of a sports or street machine.
But then I get on the heavy old bus of a Girly, and like that torque, and that triple, and (surprisingly) that seat.
I'd like to think the 800 could be both those bikes, if I could chose that option.
I've never had the inkling for a 1050 (Roadie) engined machine, but it'd be nice to be able to take one out for a day. (But theres plenty of other machines I'd put on the day ride list too.)
I think I had a better balance when I had the 650GS and the 'Bird. Light and agile vs stable, comfy and fast. The Girly is too close to the 'Bird; but at least I can semi-retire the 'Bird now, the old girl's done 60k (although you wouldn't know it from the engine) and is gettting a bit scruffy round the edges. She's more of a fair weather bike now.
I'd settle for my Supermoto 955 with the 1050 motor in,that would do me nicely,what makes mine so good with the head angle for a 19" front wheel, put a 17 in even two up with kit it steers like a minimoto,not exactly what you could sell to the general public,but does it have an edge to it :wink:
Triumph have obviously made a marketing to decison to go smaller with 800 for a combi kind of bike,and my gut instinct says this 1200 could be a bit of tank.
Re other bikes,to be honest I ration useing the Tiger,still don't see an obvious replacement although the Multistrada would be an option apart from price,and so it only gets used for quality not quantity biking,I've other stuff for that.
Quote from: "jonathan jaecks"I was beginning to like the idea of the new sprint gt until I saw that it had marginal suspension, been overfed, and stretched.
I rode one when it came out. Felt ponderous compared to the Sprint ST of the year before that I rode.