Some of you will be aware that Triumph released a new tune for the Tiger last November. I finally got round to trying it yesterday during my run to the Harley shop. I did around 80 miles and found that in terms of power, it's about the same as the old one. Regarding rough low revs on a light or steady throttle, it's much better. Not perfect, but definitely better. I just want to do some more miles now and see if the O2 sensor changes the trims for better or worse. (In my maps I disabled the O2 sensor to stop it screwing up my work but on this one I've left everything as it should be). I'll also work out what's different and then see if I can graft my power increases onto this working base and get the best of both worlds. I'll do that in the ECU, not on the laptop as I'm not sure whether the new tune has software changes (that can't be seen on Tuneboy or TuneECU) as well as map updates.
Watch this space 8)
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Did another 30 miles this morning, low revs is definitely better although below 2000 rpm is still a bit lumpy where it used to be anything below 3000 rpm. Pickup out of low speed corners is less hesitant though still not perfect.
Crackle and pop on overrun is back where in my tune I'd pretty much eliminated it unless your were really trying.
Need to look at what the trims are doing later when I get time.
Sounding good. This is a factory re-flash correct? Just want to make sure it isn't a Tuneboy or TuneECU were you need a third party tuner.
Quote from: "jwray76"Sounding good. This is a factory re-flash correct? Just want to make sure it isn't a Tuneboy or TuneECU were you need a third party tuner.
It is,I had it put in last november before the winter set in,I'm amazed Triumph are still faffing around with Sagen system,I've found the only way to find out exactly what a new tune is doing get it on the motorway and ride a long way,you have the time to feel what the hell is going on,my bench mark is my thumb and forefinger on my left hand holding the bar end weight at around 80,and I haven't done it yet,the joys of other bikes I'm afraid.
Quote from: "jwray76"Sounding good. This is a factory re-flash correct? Just want to make sure it isn't a Tuneboy or TuneECU were you need a third party tuner.
You can blow this into your ECU using TuneECU, you don't have to pay the stealer. As long as you back up your ECU first, you can always go back if you don't like it.
Disclaimer: I know this works, I do it all the time. If you do it, it's up to you to get it right, I didn't hold a gun to your head.
Ok, I have now got this latest tune on mine, and yes much as you have reported BB, steady throttle above 3k seems much better, but the popping does seem a bit excessive, though I quite like it.
I had been running SA_Riders modified map, and although the bike went well enough, I was noticing MPG was getting a bit of a hammering 160-170 to light, as against 180-190 before.Bit of a black tailpipe aswell.
I then put the standard offroad tune in but it was like before, awful on a steady throttle below 5k.
As you say BB this later one is a big improvement for me, Ive also re-installed the earlier Tune ECU and am no longer getting time outs, that'll do for now.
I'm almost loath the ride mine,as I've found that crisp tune with great pickup is a complete pain in the arse on a long ride.
"Pain on long rides' - how so Chris ?? Inquiring minds... Also - just put TOR exhaust on 06' Tiger - taking to dealer next week for retune. Is the TOR tune different from the 'new tune'?? - Too many Toons!
anyone know where to buy a TuneECU cable in the states?
Quote from: "jwray76"anyone know where to buy a TuneECU cable in the states?
I got mine on ebay, so heres a link to one on US Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-OBD-II-2-KKL-40 ... 230e8bcd5a (http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-OBD-II-2-KKL-409-1-OBD2-Cable-VAG-COM-VW-AUDI-/150567898458?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230e8bcd5a)
Quote from: "jphish""Pain on long rides' - how so Chris ?? Inquiring minds... Also - just put TOR exhaust on 06' Tiger - taking to dealer next week for retune. Is the TOR tune different from the 'new tune'?? - Too many Toons!
I'll quantify my statement by saying my, sorry!! our Tiger gets used for is long distance stuff,we must have done at least 4 holidays on it at 3/4000 miles and no end of 2000 mile trips so with 30,000 miles on ,it hasn't actually been ridden all that many times,but when it has you have time to concentrate on what is going on,having had a trip were as we'd done 500 miles by late morning you'll get the idea.
What is wearing is vibration,I judge that by the finger and thumb test on the left hand bar end,the map I had installed last november felt crisp and I've not ridden it since,and I've been the route before what felt great 50 miles down the road drove me nuts by the time we'd done 200 miles down to Portsmouth to catch the ferry,in fact while in Spain some years ago had another tune installed it was that bad.
I only had a new tune installed because the bike was a little woollie on the bottom end,but at 90 plus ran like it was on a magic carpet,so only time will tell,now I'll hold my hands up and saying when it comes to riding a Tiger I'm the odd man out,have never forgotten over taking a guy on a Tiger going into Calais in 06 I guess he was doing 80 ish I don't think he though Tigers went that fast!!,we were running around 100/110 and had been, fuel stops excepted for over 12 hours,so you can understand I have a close to connection to the engine on my Tiger :D ,sorry our :D
I understand were BB is coming from,and on a bike I don't ride long distance I'd very interested,but eeking the enth degree out of my Tigger is risky for me vibe wise.
No,the new tune is the TOR tune,well see I might be on here yet cussing!!
I get what you're saying Chris. Vibes are not a great bother for me as serious miles or two up I take the 'Bird every time - she's turbine smooth and pulls like a train.
I've never tried to build a map that is smooth rather than powerful. From what I learned at BSD that would need to be a fairly rich mixture. It wouldn't greatly affect the mpg because sustained high(ish) revs on a medium throttle is no worse than ragging it everywhere around town on full taps.
If you find you can't get on with your present tune, one visit to my gaff would get you familiar with Tune ECU. After that I can mod tunes and email them to you until you get what you're looking for.
Just an idea....
Interesting comments on your bird Bob,thats not what I've found out on the battlefield,and we also have K1200r Sport,but over a long day no match even with this winters add on's.
(http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h185/wing2541/winter20102011081.jpg)
Chris, Oh - Ok, I think I get it. You're suggesting there's a trade off to tuning for performance vs long distance comfort. (vibration primarily) I havent noticed any vibration until about 85mph - then it just gets a bit buzzy. There arent too many places in Wa where sustained speeds over 75 wont get you a ticket. In Texas you can drive 80 in places on the interstate - but who wants to ride the interstate? Thanks for the clarification. j
Quote from: "Timbox2"Quote from: "jwray76"anyone know where to buy a TuneECU cable in the states?
I got mine on ebay, so heres a link to one on US Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-OBD-II-2-KKL-40 ... 230e8bcd5a (http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-OBD-II-2-KKL-409-1-OBD2-Cable-VAG-COM-VW-AUDI-/150567898458?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230e8bcd5a)
well it is coming from hong kong but looks to be cheap enough including shipping. So this is definitely the right cable???
Quote from: "jwray76"Quote from: "Timbox2"Quote from: "jwray76"anyone know where to buy a TuneECU cable in the states?
I got mine on ebay, so heres a link to one on US Ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-OBD-II-2-KKL-40 ... 230e8bcd5a (http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-OBD-II-2-KKL-409-1-OBD2-Cable-VAG-COM-VW-AUDI-/150567898458?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item230e8bcd5a)
well it is coming from hong kong but looks to be cheap enough including shipping. So this is definitely the right cable???
Sorry definately right cable didnt notice location
Maybe you could search for a more local one to you.
Dont forget to get the drivers from the Tune ECU site, dont use the CD that comes with the cable.
Quote from: "jphish"Chris, Oh - Ok, I think I get it. You're suggesting there's a trade off to tuning for performance vs long distance comfort. (vibration primarily) I havent noticed any vibration until about 85mph - then it just gets a bit buzzy. There arent too many places in Wa where sustained speeds over 75 wont get you a ticket. In Texas you can drive 80 in places on the interstate - but who wants to ride the interstate? Thanks for the clarification. j
This is were the internet has it's limitations,we holiday on a bike and have done for the last 30 years and me before that,while I have a bike for all occasions,I've built my Tiger to do everything,it'll sit out on the motorway at 120 two up and fully kitted,it'll scratch a mountain pass two up and fully kitted with it's 17" front wheel and Beringer brakes and Ohlins
If we go on holiday for two weeks,I don't spend two weeks travelling to a destination,the quicker I'm there,the more time we have when we have arrived,so if I have to spend a day or two on the motorway it's a small price to pay,but that doesn't mean having to suffer with a poorly set up bike.
As I said were the net falls down is talking with others about bikes only to find wifey doesn't share the passion and they go on some organised non biking holiday,I've no problem with that,but that guys idea of how good his bike is will be different to mine,we've done a 16 hour trip of which 14 were riding the bike,were very often asked what state were we in after,sat and watched a film before we went to bed :D
And I have to say If I never went over 80mph all I would ride is my XT660 supermoto,but I have to say you'd have a mighty shock travelling in Germany and hence why we bought our K1200,on the unlimited sections it's an absolute free for all were 120 will hardly get you into the outside lane.
Quote from: "Chris Canning"..................................on the unlimited sections it's an absolute free for all were 120 will hardly get you into the outside lane.
Oh yes, dont I know it, 140 on the needle and f..... VW's pushing from behind :oops:
Were can I get hold of this new tune? Went on TunneECU and its not there. I guessed thats were everyone else got it from.
Quote from: "aesdj"Were can I get hold of this new tune? Went on TunneECU and its not there. I guessed thats were everyone else got it from.
Got mine from a dealer.
Quote from: "Timbox2"Quote from: "Chris Canning"..................................on the unlimited sections it's an absolute free for all were 120 will hardly get you into the outside lane.
Oh yes, dont I know it, 140 on the needle and f..... VW's pushing from behind :oops:
The very first time we ever went,in the middle lane doing what?? 100,look in the rear mirrors nothing coming put winker on,have another look to check all is clear it is and pull out,by which time were doing 120+,have a 3rd look in the mirrors to find it full of Porche headlights blazing akimbo!!!,pull over, within what? 15 seconds he'd vanished,at a guess i'd say 180+,welcome to Germany!! :D
Quote from: "aesdj"Were can I get hold of this new tune? Went on TunneECU and its not there. I guessed thats were everyone else got it from.
The file on Tune ECU is dated Nov 10. That's the new one.
Been back to TuneECU but I carn't find any dates, were are they please? There is 2 new tunes since I got mine but there for the Brazil bike.
Here you go:
http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/s ... 1/56805564 (http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/shared/pusg6v7nyd/1/56805564)
http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/s ... 1/56805580 (http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/shared/pusg6v7nyd/1/56805580)
:wink:
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Here you go:
http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/s ... 1/56805564 (http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/shared/pusg6v7nyd/1/56805564)
http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/s ... 1/56805580 (http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/shared/pusg6v7nyd/1/56805580)
:wink:
Just to ask the "stupid" question:
Do the new updated files have the same numbers as the original ones then ?
Meaning that all files/versions are new...
10120, 10121, 10172 ... 10177
Quote from: "LTB"Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Here you go:
http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/s ... 1/56805564 (http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/shared/pusg6v7nyd/1/56805564)
http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/s ... 1/56805580 (http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/shared/pusg6v7nyd/1/56805580)
:wink:
Just to ask the "stupid" question:
Do the new updated files have the same numbers as the original ones then ?
Meaning that all files/versions are new...
10120, 10121, 10172 ... 10177
And for the newbie .. if they all are new revisions then what is the difference? I'm looking in the 885 folder FROM vin 089737. I'm seeing 3 maps all with November 2010 dates on them. I'm guessing one is stock bike, one is aftermarket exhaust, and one is ?????? Maybe? :?
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Here you go:
http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/s ... 1/56805564 (http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/shared/pusg6v7nyd/1/56805564)
http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/s ... 1/56805580 (http://www.box.net/shared/pusg6v7nyd#/shared/pusg6v7nyd/1/56805580)
:wink:
Cheers for that. Right the next stupid question, what are the 74,75,76 and 77 maps?
Oh good grief....
Down load them, open them and read the info. They should all labelled. If they're not give me a shout and I'll use Tunedit to open them.
(Here's a clue though, two of them are for Brazil only)
Regarding the numbers when updating, they stay the same. Triumph overwrite the previous tune hence Chris Canning's comment that at the dealer, you can't go back, only forward.
And I haven't had time to analyse the old vs the new so don't yet know what they've done. I'll get round to it eventually.
Just to update, I have this morning gone back to the Modified AF Tune I was using before, dunno what happened but the new tune seemed fine for a couple of days then yesterday I started getting the old on/off throttle again??
Anyway old tune back in and seems fine again, strange??
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Oh good grief..........
:ImaPoser :ImaPoser :ImaPoser :ImaPoser
and i've not asked anythin yet :? :lol:
KK
Quote from: "Timbox2"Just to update, I have this morning gone back to the Modified AF Tune I was using before, dunno what happened but the new tune seemed fine for a couple of days then yesterday I started getting the old on/off throttle again??
Anyway old tune back in and seems fine again, strange??
When you loaded the tune the trims were reset. Your O2 sensor trimmed the good tune back to crap settings. Thanks for the info, I'll make sure to disable the O2 sensor in the new Triumph map and then reload it. Not sure if you can do this in Tune ECU tho' I'll have to do it in Tunedit.
And before you all ask, no there's not a software switch to do it, you have to change all the A/F values. O2 only works between 14.5 -14.7 so drop all A/F values to 14 or below and the O2 never wakes up.
ahhhh ok I see the info in the map now .. I'm done asking questions :wink:
Sorry guys, I was a bit out of it yesterday whilst trying to get off the drugs for my back so I could ride today, I didn't mean to be unhelpful. There is a point in there though. I learned what I know by reading. For hours and hours..... It's sometimes good to just do a little digging for yourself. It can be very satisfying :wink:
Latest, after a run out this morning, it's still running fairly well - a little lumpy but no where near as bad as it was - and good power delivery in the midrange although it still pops quite a bit on overrun but generally I'm fairly happy.
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Latest, after a run out this morning, it's still running fairly well - a little lumpy but no where near as bad as it was - and good power delivery in the midrange although it still pops quite a bit on overrun but generally I'm fairly happy.
So how does this compare to the one you sent me and which is currently in my Tiger?
It's not as brisk in the midrange Cos, but the 2-3000 rpm on light throttle is better than mine. I've analysed the difference betwen the old 10173 and the new one, and intend to graft that into my map as soon as I get the chance, but we're relocating at the moment so am up to my eyes in buying and selling houses etc etc.
If you're curious, I suggest you download the Triumph tune from the tune ECU file server and blow it into your ECU and see for yourself.
Then again, if my tune is working for you, might be best to leave it eh? By the way, please see my post on trims.
Quote from: "Bixxer Bob"Regarding the numbers when updating, they stay the same. Triumph overwrite the previous tune hence Chris Canning's comment that at the dealer, you can't go back, only forward.
I humbly disagree here. I am not convinced that the 10173 tune is a new version by Triumph of the 'old' 10173. Ordinarily, when Triumph update a tune map the tune number changes. This has been true for example with tune maps updates issued by Triumph for my 06 1050 Speed III and the 07 Daytona 675. I have not seen one example of the tune map being updated by Triumph and retaining the same number. If someone can prove me otherwise, I will happily concede :-)
Can anyone confirm for certain that it was Triumph who released a new set of Tune maps last November (2010) for the Tiger 95i from VIN 206547 [10175-10173-10176-10177] or are you simply assuming this is the case by the November 14, 2010 date when Alain uploaded the files to what was then his new www.box.net (http://www.box.net) upload site?
DeanRider aka SA_Rider
Fair point, I should have made clear I was making assumptions. No hard info, all just trying to piece together what we know. Chris got wind of the new Triumph tunes at his dealer back in Nov. He's in the trade and a trusted source. I did a lot of chasing around at the time to see if anyone had it available for download but drew a blank. Then I got a message to say it was on TunECU so assumed the Nov dated tunes were the new ones. Did a compare of that 10173 tune against a 2 yr old TuneBoy 10173 and it's definitely been modified, hence the assumption they don't update numbers, that assumption re-inforced by the same six tunes being available since I dunno when. Reasonable when you have a dealer saying he has a new tune and the numbers still being the same on the web. For what you're saying, we still don't have the new Triumph tune, what we have is someone else's tune on Alain's server masquerading as a 10173. Or of course the reverse could be true, the old Tuneboy tune could be the wrong one. Or Chris's dealer could have been pulling our collective chains....
Whatever.
The Nov 101073 Alain's hosting is better than the stock one in most people's bike. Would still like to bottom out the Triumph version tho.... :roll:
Still waiting to see if Alain is addressing the connection faults a lot are having with 1.8.6; he doesn't reply to emails.... :?
the 1.8.8 notes say that there are "some bugs fixed", but isn't specific. maybe that would help with the connection issues?
Certainly hope so. I didn't get a reply from Alain when I told him about it. time will tell..... :roll:
Have sent a message to authors and got a reply saying there is a bug with the 'greying out' on latest TuneECU and it will be fixed on the next outage.
Well finally got out on the bike today to scrub new tyres in and see what the tune was that was put in the end of last year.
A little popping,maybe twice in 70 miles,still not made my mind up with the tune itself,a lot more vibes,but with Touratech hand guards that fit on the end of the bars and more oil in the front forks,I'll reserve judgement a little longer,but certainley crisper.
Done around 300 miles in the last two days with the new tune,don't like it :(
Time to dip your toe in the water Chris, eh? Since you don't have your favoured old tune there's nothing stopping you searching for a good one as long as you save the current one first, and record your settings, so you can always at least get back to where you are now.
I can send you a couple of older tunes to try if you embark on Tune ECU. Also see the progress Metalguru's making in the ECU settings post with later tunes.
Hmmm!!,well the tune that was in was well ragged of the bottom,apart from that it was fine,I ride my Tiger gung ho,but I don't like the tune that way,the new tune is crisp and certainley more HP and better on fuel but way to vibey on the motorway,fine for a 200 mile thrash round the block but long distance real waring,in fact having now done a few miles feels like the bugger that drove me nuts riding down to Valencia 7 years ago :evil:
Not really helped with me tinkering with the forks and new tyres and having the Touratech guards attached to the end off the bars, so all a bit of a pigs ear at the mo :(
I wanted to see if there are any differences in different 955i 2006 Sagem 10173 tunes;
I compared two files, one taken from a last year zip file, dated may 24 2010, the second is the famous nov 12 2010.
Result?
Hex Comparison ver. 2.0 states they're IDENTICAL!
http://www.exeicon.com/hex-comparison/?from=hfcmainform (http://www.exeicon.com/hex-comparison/?from=hfcmainform)
I also compared different files (10172 with 10173) in order to see if the software was working properly; it was - all differences where visible.
So what?
bye
Tigergotcha
Biggest problem I've found is knowing what you are comparing.
I did a compare last month:
http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,9106 (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,9106)
and used a known old Tuneboy version of 10173 vs the lastest from Tune ECU. There was a definite difference at the bottom end. Now whether that diffrence came from Triumph or someone meddling with the the web versions is anyone's guess but it has made a slight change for the better. On my bike anyway.... :roll: