Hey All,
am a newbie with a recent purchase of a 'steamer' which i'm very pleased with but would like to change the front wheel to a 21...is that possible? did have a search through but could not find any info...
quick search turned up a lot of hits .................. :shock:
here's one
http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/viewto ... inch+wheel (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,7280&highlight=inch+wheel)
I just bought a 21" Tiger wheel ready made off eBay. Should be on its way from Germany some time this week.
I just hope it looks as good in the flesh as it did in the photos.
Quote from: "Mustang"quick search turned up a lot of hits .................. :shock:
here's one
http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/viewto ... inch+wheel (http://tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,7280&highlight=inch+wheel)
thanks mate, maybe i was saying wrong in the search engine...will try again...
Coolhandluke, was it a one off or do they have any more? Have you any links?
Cheers :)
Quote from: "tomski"Coolhandluke, was it a one off or do they have any more? Have you any links?
Cheers :)
Unfortunately, it was a one off. It cost about £240 (with postage) for the wheel + new Karoo tyre and hopefully the discs.
I intend to make a stripped down version of an old 885 and use it on that. Something I don't mind dropping frequently :)
Looks great...well I got a steamer in quite a good condition but the previous owner reconfigured for road use (so its got a 180 rear :shock: )...i do some light (ish) offroading so want to mod her to continue as I like the bike (just came from a dr big)...
Quote from: "tomski"Looks great...well I got a steamer in quite a good condition but the previous owner reconfigured for road use (so its got a 180 rear :shock: )...i do some light (ish) offroading so want to mod her to continue as I like the bike (just came from a dr big)...
Don't forget to post your progress :)
no worries will defo do...do you have to mod the bike to fit the wheel etc?
Quote from: "tomski"no worries will defo do...do you have to mod the bike to fit the wheel etc?
The standard mudguard needs to be removed. I don't envisage any other issues. I am not really in a position to speak authoritatively at the moment :)
Quote from: "CoolHandLuke"Quote from: "tomski"no worries will defo do...do you have to mod the bike to fit the wheel etc?
The standard mudguard needs to be removed. I don't envisage any other issues. I am not really in a position to speak authoritatively at the moment :)
just needs a high front fender like a dirt bike ................everything else stays the same.
Good luck finding a used 21. Relacing is more expensive than that used wheel, AND it doesn´t give you a spare. But it´s doable for the amateur who´s less lucky in his search.
There are more things you can do, like replace the stock exhaust with a three in one, a weight saving of about 9-10 kg, and then many other small alterations (in rider geometry, more weight saving etc). But the front wheel is a good start which you don´t have to go beyond.
Quote from: "Rocinante"There are more things you can do, like replace the stock exhaust with a three in one, a weight saving of about 9-10 kg, and then many other small alterations (in rider geometry, more weight saving etc). But the front wheel is a good start which you don´t have to go beyond.
I really like what you did to yours and will certainly use that for inspiration. A 3 into 1 is on my shopping list. Can you explain how you trimmed the rear end on yours and how you went about fitting the seat?
What I did was, in short:
I got hold of a used (actually new and parted) rear frame and front fender from a KTM LC4 2003 SM.
The original rear frame I cut off behind the junction(with the forward pointing legs), leaving it equally strong where the rider is positioned.
The KTM frame legs were cut off about 8 cm below the upper part of the frame and put on top of the old frame. The two forward arms are joined up front and fit on top of the old bridge, below the rear end of the tank, so that the tank´s rear bolts go through the new bridge as well.
The KTM frame is (thoroughly) clamped on the Tiger frame in two places in the back.
That´s it, in short.
I´ll help you along as much as I can if you go ahead with this.
Dag
Ta. I am quite a way off as I have yet to acquire a project bike for the cause :)
I am currently reading your travel website at the moment and have reached chapter 3 (Maine to Midland, Michigan).
Thanks for the updates :) Rocinante I will want to do a similar thing to yours ie shred as much weight as possible as my mate and I are planning a trip back home to australia around october this year...i was going to do it on my dr before the accident but now got hold of this tiger in very good condition overall etc and want to change her into a more realistic dual sport for the extended travel intended....
So would appreciate any help/pointers you can provide to achieve this either via forum or if you email me on
tomdmx@ymail.com many thanks in advance !
Pardon my profound ignorance, but won't changing wheel diameter change you speedo readings?
Quote from: "nickcalne"Pardon my profound ignorance, but won't changing wheel diameter change you speedo readings?
Yes, I had thought about that and then promptly forgotten.
I might actually bin the standard clocks and dials too... Something to think about when I start work.
Quote from: "nickcalne"Pardon my profound ignorance, but won't changing wheel diameter change you speedo readings?
Yes, and it´s more correct now compared to the gps. So no need to do anything, just be aware.
Quote from: "tomski"Thanks for the updates :) Rocinante I will want to do a similar thing to yours ie shred as much weight as possible as my mate and I are planning a trip back home to australia around october this year...i was going to do it on my dr before the accident but now got hold of this tiger in very good condition overall etc and want to change her into a more realistic dual sport for the extended travel intended....
So would appreciate any help/pointers you can provide to achieve this either via forum or if you email me on tomdmx@ymail.com many thanks in advance !
I´ll be happy to, although there are mechanically more knowledgable people here than me. Maybe you could start a seperate thread, should be of some interest to the forum.
Would someone explain to me what the advantage a 21" wheel would give to a steamer?
Wouldn't this muck up its road worthiness by changing its steering geometry?
Thanks.
Quote from: "Milton"Would someone explain to me what the advantage a 21" wheel would give to a steamer?
Wouldn't this muck up its road worthiness by changing its steering geometry?
Short story:
More steady on uneven off the pavement surfaces, less steady and heavier steering on high speed pavement.
If you want it or not depends on your favorite road surface, in other words.
One thing I'm not clear on...where do you get the wheel then? Does it have to be a triumph thing or other makes will fit?
Rebuild a second hand Tiger wheel.
Quote from: "CoolHandLuke"Rebuild a second hand Tiger wheel.
That´s what I did. Then you replace the rim and spokes only. A Triumph dealer or spokes expert can help you get the right ones. Then read howto´s and watch youtube instruction videos until you´re ready. Never forget to work in tiny steps from early on.
Right so you obtain the rim and spokes separately then use the existing wheel innards (ie disc etc) right?
Quote from: "tomski"Right so you obtain the rim and spokes separately then use the existing wheel innards (ie disc etc) right?
Correct. Only extra you have to do is raise the fender. Get a proper replacement fender, for example the KTM LC4 I have which is very good looking on the Tiger.
Right, all makes sense now :) Just a thought if I have a spare dr 800 wheel, could I mod that?
Quote from: "tomski"Right, all makes sense now :) Just a thought if I have a spare dr 800 wheel, could I mod that?
Wouldn´t consider that. The bolt diameter may be different, the sideway offset too, and the brake disk mounts for sure are different.
Why not rebuild the wheel you have?
yep will do, thought i try:) so next q is where can i get rim and spokes...in the uk preferably...while i type this i will search the internet also...
I got it from my Norwegian dealer who got from somewhere in the uk. I could get the supplier name next time i'm there.
Or perhaps someone else knows...
Quote from: "tomski"yep will do, thought i try:) so next q is where can i get rim and spokes...in the uk preferably...while i type this i will search the internet also...
Theirs loads, but this lot have a good rep,
http://www.central-wheel.co.uk/index.html (http://www.central-wheel.co.uk/index.html)
Thats great, will give 'em a call and find out the go....cheers :)
So, would the 21" wheel be less prone to wash out when the Tiger hits sand or deep gravel?
Quote from: "CoolHandLuke"Ta. I am quite a way off as I have yet to acquire a project bike for the cause :)
I am currently reading your travel website at the moment and have reached chapter 3 (Maine to Midland, Michigan).
Let me know when you get to Western Canada ... Old Felix as shown there is now more like Rocinante now.
21" wheel, Corbin seat, 3 into 1 exhaust, semi-high fender, cut down Powerbronze screen, 17 tooth sprocket, Conti TKC 08's, ally boxes, fishing rod, etc.
I just got back from a 10 day trip to central British Columbia, 1/2 of it with the BC Big Traiies ride ://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=640446 . Managed to slip in 1600 km of gravel backroads along with 800 km of pavement as well. Other than 2 hours of rain with the resulting mud, it was a perfect 6 days of ingesting dust.
Picked up a near pristine 91 R100 GS to be the road warrior, as the Tiger is now much happier on dirt than pavement.
The 17 tooth front made such a huge difference in the really soft stuff allowing me to ride easily at a slow walking pace. It topped out at 5000rpm around 100kmh though
Quote from: "Milton"So, would the 21" wheel be less prone to wash out when the Tiger hits sand or deep gravel?
I didn't find this to be true on the 1600 k of mixed crud I just finished.
Technique is as important as product. The soft stuff needs to be worked with the throttle to manage it well. My main advantage proved to be a smoother ride in the rough with the larger diameter rim, with the 21" softening the sharp ruts & pot-holes, especially at higher speeds, up to 120 kmh on smooth gravel.
I also now have 2 complete sets of rims, the 21 & a 19 with knobbies & 3 new disks, plus a set of mounted Avon Gripsters for more leisurely running. With the sprocket cover modification, I can now switch from traily to road bike in under an hour.
Quote from: "fishnbiker"Let me know when you get to Western Canada ... Old Felix as shown there is now more like Rocinante now.
21" wheel, Corbin seat, 3 into 1 exhaust, semi-high fender, cut down Powerbronze screen, 17 tooth sprocket, Conti TKC 08's, ally boxes, fishing rod, etc.
Will do. BTW, what bike is your front mudguard off. I much prefer yours, just above the wheel, rather than having it really high.
Quote from: "CoolHandLuke"Quote from: "fishnbiker"Let me know when you get to Western Canada ... Old Felix as shown there is now more like Rocinante now.
21" wheel, Corbin seat, 3 into 1 exhaust, semi-high fender, cut down Powerbronze screen, 17 tooth sprocket, Conti TKC 08's, ally boxes, fishing rod, etc.
Will do. BTW, what bike is your front mudguard off. I much prefer yours, just above the wheel, rather than having it really high.
It's a generic Motocross fender with the nose trimmed down by patterning on the Tiger fender being laid over top & traced with a felt pen. Tin snips & some 240 wet or dry sandpaper to do the cutting. It stands up due to the fender brace I built to mount it high enough to clear the 21" tire. The fork brace attaches with the original fender screws. Close-up photos can be sent if you want.
Quote from: "fishnbiker"It's a generic Motocross fender with the nose trimmed down by patterning on the Tiger fender being laid over top & traced with a felt pen. Tin snips & some 240 wet or dry sandpaper to do the cutting. It stands up due to the fender brace I built to mount it high enough to clear the 21" tire. The fork brace attaches with the original fender screws. Close-up photos can be sent if you want.
That's fine. I can see the braces on the shots. I will probably use a similar thing when I begin mine. It's good to see other modified bikes for inspiration.
Righto, called the suggested shop, £199 all inc (plus £15 for postage) using my hub and their s/s wheel and spokes...seems a fair price for a brand new job am proceeding with them...means I will be off my bike for a while (approx 3 weeks) but its worth the wait...the next thing is the rear (180 at the mo!)...
Quote from: "tomski"Righto, called the suggested shop, £199 all inc (plus £15 for postage) using my hub and their s/s wheel and spokes...seems a fair price for a brand new job am proceeding with them...means I will be off my bike for a while (approx 3 weeks) but its worth the wait...the next thing is the rear (180 at the mo!)...
That's a good price. Are you going to get the hub painted?
Well, its already silverish, so won't look out of place :)
You may want to give Baxter Cycle in Iowa a call...when I did my new rims (21" frt/18" rear) they had some used hubs that I purchased. I also got the sprocket carrier, cush drive, etc so I could have different sprockets on the different wheels, too.
Pat
http://www.baxtercycle.com/ (http://www.baxtercycle.com/)