This is the first post in this fine forum!
Karl from Sweden here, in dire straits...
I am supposed to go to Norway next week on the 18:th of July, for a 7day bike trip with my garagemates.
However, some weeks ago my bike, a 1998 Tiger came down with what seems to be the dreaded Gills-coil-failure-thing-crap!
Now where to begin..?
First I ordered 3 Nology coils from "New Level motorsports". That was 12 days ago.
First they said "No problems, we have those in stock. Send money and we will be mailing them the coming friday "
I paid and 10 days later got information that they were out of these coils and would not get them until in August...
So I scoured the market just to get the same answer from where ever I turned.
-Nology in USA are out of these coils, waiting for delivery from manufactor in Germany.
-Nology in UK are out of stock.
-All other dealers here in Europe are out.
-1 Nology coil found on Ebay, sold yesterday, and I could not bid since the seller did not ship abroad...
It seems like there are no Nology coils to be found at all...
So now my last hope lies in the collective knowledge here.
-I know there are coils from other models/makes that could work,
....But which ones? And who has them?
Many Thanks
Karl
PVL coils made in Germany are Nology coils .
worst case scenario ......figure out which coil is duff and just replace the one with a gill , at least you can make the trip that way
Quote from: "Mustang"PVL coils made in Germany are Nology coils .
worst case scenario ......figure out which coil is duff and just replace the one with a gill , at least you can make the trip that way
Really? So PVL manufactor Nology coils?
That sounds good!
Do you happen to know which PVL coil I should be looking at, item/model number? I guess it`s not the same as Nology`s item nr...
I found this, could it be the right one?
http://www.pazon.com/ignition-system/PV ... -coil.html (http://www.pazon.com/ignition-system/PVL-digital-single-coil.html)
Thanks!
Karl
p.s An original Triumph/Gill-coil is approx 240USD here in Sweden...
don't know which pvl's are for the triumph with out tearing a bike apart and that aint happening anytime soon .
several on ebay
heres a small example
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genuine-Triumph-A ... 43a834df26 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Genuine-Triumph-Adventurer-PVL-coil-Thunderbird-Legend-/290584846118?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item43a834df26)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Triumph-Trophy-90 ... 588ed08654 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Triumph-Trophy-900-97-98-3x-coils-/380353152596?pt=UK_Motorcycle_Parts&hash=item588ed08654)
these are brand new buy it now price
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-ignition-coil ... 4623146557 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-ignition-coil-Triumph-900-Daytona-and-Speed-Triple-/300574784304?_trksid=p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DDLSL%252BSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D8%26pmod%3D300497085026%252B300497085026%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1253375134623146557)
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-ignition-coil ... 4623146557 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/New-ignition-coil-Triumph-900-Daytona-and-Speed-Triple-/300574784304?_trksid=p4340.m263&_trkparms=algo%3DDLSL%252BSIC%26its%3DI%26itu%3DUCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI%252BDDSIC%26otn%3D8%26pmod%3D300497085026%252B300497085026%26po%3D%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D1253375134623146557)
Edit. I see Mustang has it
Ok, Thanks alot guys.
I will check those links out.
Karl
and no one mentioned the option of using the on-plug coils from a TT600. The coil itself is a bit bigger than a spark plug boot and sits where the boot would. Gil coils and plug wires are removed and you run extension wires from where the old coils were to the new stick coils on the plugs. A set of used ones on ebay runs $20 to $40, and since the TT600 is a 4 cyl, you get a spare for free. They work great. Several of the members here have them.
I've got two gill coils removed from my bike when I installed the Nology coils. Want them?
Quote from: "nightrunner"and no one mentioned the option of using the on-plug coils from a TT600. The coil itself is a bit bigger than a spark plug boot and sits where the boot would. Gil coils and plug wires are removed and you run extension wires from where the old coils were to the new stick coils on the plugs. A set of used ones on ebay runs $20 to $40, and since the TT600 is a 4 cyl, you get a spare for free. They work great. Several of the members here have them.
Yes, I read about them here on TT last night, that is definitely an option.
-Is there any differences in year models I should be aware of, or will any TT600 "Stick-coil" fit?
-They just plug in, or do I have to make any other mod. apart from the extention of the wires?
Thanks Nightrunner
Quote from: "JetdocX"I've got two gill coils removed from my bike when I installed the Nology coils. Want them?
A million blondes to You and your sons JetdocX!
But as "New Level motorsports" were so kind to not to let me know that they were short on coils until I asked 10 days
after the order was supposed to be processed, they rid me of the possibility to have coils sent from the States.
Mail process from USA is minimum 10-14 days unless expressmail is used, and even then it could get stuck with the commies in our customs.
So if I am to make the biketrip next week, I need to find coils over here in Europe.
But I´ll remeber that, should it be so that I don`t make that trip. Then there`s no time issue.
Thanks man!
I have some standard coils here, in the UK. I have 3, but I would like to hang on to 1 as a spare.
If you can pay the postage, they are yours.
Quote from: "CoolHandLuke"I have some standard coils here, in the UK. I have 3, but I would like to hang on to 1 as a spare.
If you can pay the postage, they are yours.
You are cousin with Jesus?
Next time my girlfriend throws things in rage and prays for a miracle to happen, I'll e-mail her this page!
You have P.M
Karl, I have just posted a PM for you.
Allrajtytajty! Things are looking up!
It seems like I just might be going after all, thanks to members here at
Tiger Triple.
-First I was offered spare coils from JetdocX.
But since we`re leaving in 7 days and he lives in the States, they would not arrive in time.
-Then I was offered help from 2 other members, more or less simultaneously.
Arctic Tiger was willing to let me have his Nology coils, and buy him new ones when they were back in stock again.
But since it`s impossible to know for sure when they will be on the market again, I had to decline that offer.
At the same hour CoolHandLuke P.M´d me, saying
"I have 2 spare coils, you want them?"
-He did not even want to accept any money for them!
"I`ll post them tomorrow" he wrote with an English twang!
So faith in humankind got a mighty boos(h)t this week!
..And happiness lives here yet again...
Thanks folks, You made my summer!
Cheers!
Karl
:bowdown :eusa_clap
Quote from: "Persson"Yes, I read about them here on TT last night, that is definitely an option.
-Is there any differences in year models I should be aware of, or will any TT600 "Stick-coil" fit?
-They just plug in, or do I have to make any other mod. apart from the extention of the wires?
Thanks Nightrunner
Sounds like you are covered. For anyone else reading this, there are only two kinds of Triumph stick coils. The long skinny ones like on a TT600 are the ones to use. There is another variety that are too large in diameter and have a flat top with mounting ears where they bolt to the valve cover. These are too fat to fit into the deep recessed valve cover.
And yes, you just run extension wires over to the coils. As far as I can tell they are not polarized. If you can get them off a wrecked bike get the connectors too. Otherwise you have to use the small female flag (aka spade) connectors from local electronics store.
Enjoy your trip! Last minute stuff like this usually means you'll have a good time.
TT600 coils, from pre 2000 bikes.
Fantabuolus!
Pictures, information about specific numbers for replacementparts, all that knowledge is here.
Since there are so many of us who has been in this coil-situation, perhaps it would be possible to pour some glue on this thread, or perhaps even make a new sticky with which coils fit, replacement and aftermarket coils, and finally, from which different bikes we can nick them?
-Thanks to all who has involved themselves.
..And I wonder yet again, how in the world did we manage before internet...?
The same stick coil is on Daytona 600 as well as the TT600, if you search for posts by NeilD you will find details of a UK company who sell the proper water proof coil connectors. Expensive but make for a neat and secure way to hook them up.
Lots of jap bikes use the same style of coil, I kicked my self earlier this year at the BMF as there was loads on the autojumble and it would have been perfect chance to measure resistance check dimensions for the want of a mutli-meter and rule :oops:
PS It sounds like your sorted but I have 3x very good condition gils taken of my bike. I'd prefer to hang onto them in case I ever want to go back to stock but happy to loan them until you can get some nologys if your still stuck.
AK
Quote from: "akendall1966"The same stick coil is on Daytona 600 as well as the TT600, if you search for posts by NeilD you will find details of a UK company who sell the proper water proof coil connectors. Expensive but make for a neat and secure way to hook them up.
Lots of jap bikes use the same style of coil, I kicked my self earlier this year at the BMF as there was loads on the autojumble and it would have been perfect chance to measure resistance check dimensions for the want of a mutli-meter and rule :oops:
PS It sounds like your sorted but I have 3x very good condition gils taken of my bike. I'd prefer to hang onto them in case I ever want to go back to stock but happy to loan them until you can get some nologys if your still stuck.
AK
Thanks man, it is really nice to offer me that loan, but i think I´m on dry land now.
-I can see land anyways. ..Or, a seagull told me he has heard of something called land once...
:shock: :shock:
Wouldn't know a coil if it hit me on th ehead but Triumph on line seem to have Nology and PVL coils in stock.
http://www.triumph-online.co.uk/nology-pro-fire-high-performance-ignition-coils-for-triumph-543-c.asp
Probably not what you want but have a quick look just in case.
Quote from: "HockleyBoy"Wouldn't know a coil if it hit me on th ehead but Triumph on line seem to have Nology and PVL coils in stock.
http://www.triumph-online.co.uk/nology-pro-fire-high-performance-ignition-coils-for-triumph-543-c.asp
Probably not what you want but have a quick look just in case.
the single outlet nologys that he needs are listed as
no longer available but the PVL's appear to be in stock.
Quote from: "Mustang"Quote from: "HockleyBoy"Wouldn't know a coil if it hit me on th ehead but Triumph on line seem to have Nology and PVL coils in stock.
http://www.triumph-online.co.uk/nology-pro-fire-high-performance-ignition-coils-for-triumph-543-c.asp
Probably not what you want but have a quick look just in case.
the single outlet nologys that he needs are listed as no longer available but the PVL's appear to be in stock.
@ HockleyBoy
Thanks man, a very good site it appears! That one goes in "Favourites" right away. If I don´t order coils from there, I´ll probably order something else in the future.
@ Mustang
I wrote Triumph-on-line and asked, and they do have PVL´s in stock.
-But now I have the coils from CoolHandLuke on the way, and hopefully here tomorrow friday. If not, they will come on monday, when we are supposed to leave.
And if they don`t arrive tomorrow, I was never supposed to go on this dangelidong trip anyway.
I don`t consider my good self to be cool enough to try to stick it to
"Father faith..."
Did you get Tiger running again, and headed for Norway?
Quote from: "Persson"And if they don`t arrive tomorrow, I was never supposed to go on this dangelidong trip anyway.
I don`t consider my good self to be cool enough to try to stick it to
"Father faith..."
FFS, they haven't arrived yet? That was supposed to have been a 2 day delivery.
Quote from: "ArcticTiger"Did you get Tiger running again, and headed for Norway?
Tiger is going through lighter surgery this morning, we shall see.. :D
Quote from: "CoolHandLuke"Quote from: "Persson"And if they don`t arrive tomorrow, I was never supposed to go on this dangelidong trip anyway.
I don`t consider my good self to be cool enough to try to stick it to
"Father faith..."
FFS, they haven't arrived yet? That was supposed to have been a 2 day delivery.
No worries Luke, they arrived friday morning! But I was away all saturday, so I had no tinker-time yesterday.
This morning I replaced the coil for cylinder 1, and going for a testdrive after lunch.
To be continued...
So far:
Swapped coil for cyl 1, to a PVL that CoolHandLuke sent me.
Took some cranking to get it to start.
Engine was really hesitant as usual and smoking quite a lot.
Went for a 20min ride and same problem occurred after engine reached working temperature. Jerky ride on low RPM´s. Engine almost died on me in a tight roundabout.
Removed and inspected ignition cable to cyl. 1, and it was heavily corroded. 2 & 3 looked like new.
It could very well be that the wire or cap for the sparkplug is the culprit here...
But why does it look like this? Has the insulation gone bad?
-There is no sign of corrosion on the head of the sparkplug, or down in the sparkplug-pit
(BTW, the "goo" is WB40, not water or oil.)
thats the culprit , had one do the same , replace the lead life will be good
worn and then electric arc finishes it off until the spark can no longer jump the gap that is created
Quote from: "Mustang"thats the culprit , had one do the same , replace the lead life will be good
worn and then electric arc finishes it off until the spark can no longer jump the gap that is created
Yeah Mustang, I should be fined for that one really...
When I read back my last post, I´m struck by the rays of sheer stupidity beamed out.
Not checking the plugs first..
:icon_scratch :icon_scratch :icon_scratch
Does anyone know where to find ignition leads for the Tiger here in europe?