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AGAIN.. start problem?

Started by Marc, April 08, 2014, 09:38:47 AM

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Marc

 :icon_evil:  AGAIN! (6 weeks later)

yes, after replacing my battery (Motobatt) good readings no problems.

Yesterday I had a good run (100km) and a break, not possible to start.  A few revs and nothing.  I was able to start and leave with the help of two mates puch the bike.  A few miles later.... same symptoms as a few weeks ago (see first post).
QuoteOn the way home rev counter died followed by the ODO and at last the speedo

Worse... also the temp got into the red zone, and trotle response was very bad.  I had to leave the bike.  :icon_sad:

This morning went to pick up the bike (battery 11,65V, 13,45 at idll) but was able to start and run home, but de orange engine led stayed on.

A mate said he had a similar problem with his Trophy due to the loom squeezed under the tank/battery box. (??)

I'll check the cabling, but all help appreciated.

Thanks
Tiger Explorer Graphite 2013
Bonneville SE 2010 (missus)
previous bikes:
   Tiger 955i Orange  2003
   BMW K1  1989
   Ducati 750S '72
   Matchless G80 '57
   Matchless G3L '39

Marc

#16
Two months ago I replaced the original R/R (was still ok.) by a japanese shindengen one, as I often read on this forum the original R/R can cause trouble sooner or later.
By checking a few points today (see earlier post) this is what I found:  :bug_eye

(http://s1110.photobucket.com/user/iridek1/media/RR_zpsbcae2e0d.jpg.html)

Can this be the cause of the above posted trouble??  anyway I think I'm screwed  :BangHead

In the meantime I put the ST one back again, engine starts directly but orange Engine Management Indicator light stays on  :icon_sad:

Or have I to wait 3 cycles before it normalizes?
Tiger Explorer Graphite 2013
Bonneville SE 2010 (missus)
previous bikes:
   Tiger 955i Orange  2003
   BMW K1  1989
   Ducati 750S '72
   Matchless G80 '57
   Matchless G3L '39

John Stenhouse

3 Cycles before it will turn off and it's because the bike thinks the battery has been disconnected. I would also check the wiring on the ignition switch the solder connectiions on the back degrade and break.
Black 885i Tiger UK based
Orange 955i Tiger Canadian based
Norton 961S never got it, tired of waiting

Marc

Quote from: John Stenhouse on May 21, 2014, 11:38:04 PM
3 Cycles before it will turn off and it's because the bike thinks the battery has been disconnected.

Yes, I read I somewhere on the forum from Mustang.  But It's the first time the led stays on, although I often disconnected the batt in the past  :icon_scratch:
Tiger Explorer Graphite 2013
Bonneville SE 2010 (missus)
previous bikes:
   Tiger 955i Orange  2003
   BMW K1  1989
   Ducati 750S '72
   Matchless G80 '57
   Matchless G3L '39

Marc

wiring on ignition switch OK.

dit 3 cycles run, but EM led stays on.

I read 13,35V at batt  -  13,85 at idll and 14,35 at 3000 rpm

:icon_scratch:
Tiger Explorer Graphite 2013
Bonneville SE 2010 (missus)
previous bikes:
   Tiger 955i Orange  2003
   BMW K1  1989
   Ducati 750S '72
   Matchless G80 '57
   Matchless G3L '39

John Stenhouse

Well the voltages are fine, the three cycles is from cold to hot not just three rides.
Black 885i Tiger UK based
Orange 955i Tiger Canadian based
Norton 961S never got it, tired of waiting

Marc

Thanks John, I thought the fan had do come on for 3 times  :icon_redface:
Tiger Explorer Graphite 2013
Bonneville SE 2010 (missus)
previous bikes:
   Tiger 955i Orange  2003
   BMW K1  1989
   Ducati 750S '72
   Matchless G80 '57
   Matchless G3L '39

metalguru

Have a read up on using TuneEcu as this can read the DTC that is causing the EML to light.
Can also put it out and has very good diagnostics.
2013 Explorer
2006 Rocket 3
2004 Tiger Lucifer Orange
2001 Adventurer. (Like new).
1993 DR200
1977 Kawa Z1000A1 (Had from new)
1972 BSA A65L
1960 Norman Nippy
1952 Royal Enfield Ensign MK1
2 Crossers
I may as well do it, as I'm gonna get blamed for it anyway.

Marc

Quote from: metalguru on May 22, 2014, 07:34:40 PM
Have a read up on using TuneEcu as this can read the DTC that is causing the EML to light.
Can also put it out and has very good diagnostics.

:thumbsup Yes, I'll consider that.
Tiger Explorer Graphite 2013
Bonneville SE 2010 (missus)
previous bikes:
   Tiger 955i Orange  2003
   BMW K1  1989
   Ducati 750S '72
   Matchless G80 '57
   Matchless G3L '39

rex007can

First time I disconnected the battery to do the sasquatch mod, light came on.

Next time I disconnected everything to upgrade the regulator. Light didn't come on...

I guess they're just temperamental like that.
:icon_scratch:
The early bird gets the worm, but the second mouse gets the cheese.

Marc

So far, everything seems to be OK, EM led was out after 2 cycle  :thumbsup

BUT .. I'm still wondering why the temp meter went into the red??  Does the broken R/R affect the radiator fan sensor??
Just interested to know  :qgaraduate
Tiger Explorer Graphite 2013
Bonneville SE 2010 (missus)
previous bikes:
   Tiger 955i Orange  2003
   BMW K1  1989
   Ducati 750S '72
   Matchless G80 '57
   Matchless G3L '39

John Stenhouse

My guess would be that they're electrical guages and when the power is crazy the guage acts up too
Black 885i Tiger UK based
Orange 955i Tiger Canadian based
Norton 961S never got it, tired of waiting

Bixxer Bob

Only a guess because I haven't read the whole thread, but if the reg/rec is fubar'd and is pushing out more than 14v the guage will over-read accordingly.
I don't want to achieve immortality through prayer, I want to achieve it through not dying...

metalguru

 :iagree

Yes it will and give an EML illumination.
2013 Explorer
2006 Rocket 3
2004 Tiger Lucifer Orange
2001 Adventurer. (Like new).
1993 DR200
1977 Kawa Z1000A1 (Had from new)
1972 BSA A65L
1960 Norman Nippy
1952 Royal Enfield Ensign MK1
2 Crossers
I may as well do it, as I'm gonna get blamed for it anyway.

Marc

Tiger Explorer Graphite 2013
Bonneville SE 2010 (missus)
previous bikes:
   Tiger 955i Orange  2003
   BMW K1  1989
   Ducati 750S '72
   Matchless G80 '57
   Matchless G3L '39