The reveal: the new Tiger 1200!

[ghulst]

I just came across the YouTube video for the new Tiger 1200:




https://youtu.be/Sp2SZ1u1dxM (https://youtu.be/Sp2SZ1u1dxM)


It looks like a great bike. With 150hp and at 249kg the Rally Pro is pretty close to the BMW 1250GS and KTM 1290 Super Adventure S. I like all the options it comes with and in that respect it is much more of a complete package than a GS, where you pay extra for everything. The KTM is closer, but more of a hooligan bike, in my big-smile opinion. I would really love to see how the new 1200 compares to that. I do not understand why they did add radar-controlled blind spot detection at the rear but have not made the jump to adaptive cruise control. That would complete the tech setup, in my opinion. Really looking forward to trying this bike at some point in time.


Is anyone considering ordering one?

[Sin_Tiger]

  sounds like the "Evolution" book just went out the window.

The 18" rear is a bit of a surprise.

The blindspot radar is very innovative for a bike but not a surprise having been available on some cars for a while. Like all technology / gadgets, I worry about getting lazy and dependent on it but that's just something else to guard against as riders.

[ghulst]

I did edit my first post a bit, while you were writing this. :)
The blind spot is going to be standard on big bikes soon. KTM and Ducati have it, as well as the adaptive cruise control. And I am guessing they are looking at KTM quite a bit. It seems as if Triumph is going after the KTM part of the market more than the Beemer side. Also because of the plans to build dirt bikes. A 21" front and an 18" rear wheel really fits well in that strategy as that makes the bike much better for unpaved situations. Much like KTM has chosen to do in connection to their dirt bike background.
The other thing I am surprised about, is that they have not chosen to go with a more innovative fuel tank design to get the weight even lower.

[ghulst]

I mean, honestly, that thing just looks great!


This just makes you want to get out there and ride.


Honestly, this would be a bucket list shot for me.


Yes, I do like the look of that.

Will it beat my GS-enthusiasm or take away how KTM is tempting me? I am not sure, but I do like the look of this. However, I am wondering how the prices work out at £14,600 for the GT and £17,700 for the Rally Pro or £19,100 for the Rally Explorer...

If I look at the Netherlands, the Rally Pro Explorer is €5000 more expensive than a KTM 1290 Adventure S and €3000 more expensive than a base BMW 1250 GS Adventure. 

[Sin_Tiger]

Yeah, not sure about the price either but I suspect we're not really the target demographic 

I do like the looks too and the 30 litre tank was a long time coming. The seat height is way lower than I thought they'd manage, again market studies must indicate that's high (no pun) on some owners check list.

[ghulst]

Well, as you remember, not long ago I was comparing big adventure bikes to find a new steed. The 900 Rally Pro was in there because it is a bargain in its market segment. But It didn't make it, because other bikes did things just a bit better in my opinion. So, I am closer to their target market than they would think. And it is going to be really hard even if you are at the same price point as the GS... Though they still are cheaper than the Ducati Multistrada V4S, but I doubt that was their main competitor.

[Chris Canning]

 Had a look at it at the NEC bike show on Monday, clearly chasing the GS market....put a 17" Dymag in my 955 years ago and bought a new X/R in 16 which I still have so that market isn't me 😜

[Nick Calne]

I reckon it looks bloody great and agree with Ghulst the prices are a bit    It will sell by the truck load no doubt though.  Looks like a younger persons bike than a BMW.

Chris are you sure?  Times move on, and so do popular wheel sizes... 150bhp and 249kg sounds like a good mixture!

[ghulst]

Perhaps it does look better for a younger person, but at the same time the Beemer is a proven recipe with great residual value. Granted, if you put all the options on your GS Adventure, you will end up around 28K and that will include some options that come on the Rally Explorer as standard, but there will probably be options on the Tiger list as well. I would be really interested to ride one and to see how it stacks up...

[Chris Canning]

Chris are you sure?  Times move on, and so do popular wheel sizes... 150bhp and 249kg sounds like a good mixture!

You clearly are not aware how many BM X/R's have been sold...and Ducati's Pikes Peak is nothing short of a wonder....will Triumph produce a Tiger with 17" wheels??? Bet your house on it....hopefully they will not do to good a job of it i'm Running out of space.

[ghulst]

will Triumph produce a Tiger with 17" wheels??? Bet your house on it....

I am not going to bet anything on it... But I do think that, if they are going to build one, it might be a different beast altogether to replace the 1050. Just like BMW did not create another GS with 17" wheels, but they did create an XR.

[Chris Canning]

Anyone else noticed the change in Triumph...since they've been supplying the Moto 2 engines...really has been a game changer....i'm Glad to say😀

[Sin_Tiger]

I hope the quality of finish has improved to match the asking price, my experience with the Trophy has soured me rather.

I'm sure you're right Chris. They do have a wide spread now, I sense a change in management / marketing strategy as well, I hope they haven't spread things too thin.

[ghulst]

I found that the build quality on the 800XC was already a lot better than my Steamer. The 2021 GT Pro I rode was better than that, so I am expecting this to be pretty good...

[Nick Calne]

I think Triumph a few years back, were at a stale moment.

I don't know what triggered the resurgence, probably the retro line up sales, but they have made some cracking bikes in the last year or two.