I know this is not a new topic, but I can't seem to find the thread that addresses this issue, but the low beams on my '06 Tigger suck! I live in the white mountains of New Hampshire and we have dark winding roads that Moose that like to stand in the middle of. Some have mentioned HID lights as a replacement for the originals, I have heard relays...and LED lighting. What do you suggest?
Thanks in advance! ;)
Chris
Not sure if this helps, But me and my "ambush "(group of tigers) all use Silver star Ultra bulbs. That is a huge improbement over the stock bulbs. They are pricy. but i think well worth it. and a direct replacement.
Chris
2000 Tiger
Quote from: supercoupe1993 on September 09, 2015, 07:46:23 PM
Not sure if this helps, But me and my "ambush "(group of tigers) all use Silver star Ultra bulbs. That is a huge improbement over the stock bulbs. They are pricy. but i think well worth it. and a direct replacement.
Chris
2000 Tiger
I will give them a shot !!! Thanks for the tip! Do you happen to know the item #?
Thoughts on these?
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/piaa-h4-xtreme-white-plus-bulb (http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/piaa-h4-xtreme-white-plus-bulb)
Or these plasma bulbs?
http://www.bikebandit.com/aftermarket-parts/motorcycle-electrical-parts/lighting-universal/piaa-super-plasma-gt-x-bulbs?m=121573 (http://www.bikebandit.com/aftermarket-parts/motorcycle-electrical-parts/lighting-universal/piaa-super-plasma-gt-x-bulbs?m=121573)
I used these in my 2005 Girly
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/PIAA-70456-Xtreme-White-Plus-H4-Anti-vibration-Bulb-/201252271732?hash=item2edb91f674
pretty bright 4000 lumens
now using them in my tiger 800
cheers vince
Stage 1
Take your reflector units out and clean them. No seriously, clan the inside of the lens and reflector with mild detergent, make up some cleaning tips with rags and some thin wood like chop sticks. Don't use metal or be over aggressive to avoid damage. You can also heat and bend an old toothbrush. You will be amazed at the crap that had collected in there.
Stage 2
Run some heavy gauge cable via a fuse direct to a relay near the lamp. Use a solid state relay like an M-Relay if possible. Now use the original wires to switch the relay. This reduces the losses through the original thin cable, various connections and the switches, you will seed a noticeable difference in output with negligible extra load.
Stage 3
Now you can consider if you need higher performance lamps, if you skip stages 1&2 you'll put a lot more strain on your alternator, Battery and all the associated systems.
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on September 10, 2015, 12:12:04 AM
Stage 1
Take your reflector units out and clean them. No seriously, clan the inside of the lens and reflector with mild detergent, make up some cleaning tips with rags and some thin wood like chop sticks. Don't use metal or be over aggressive to avoid damage. You can also heat and bend an old toothbrush. You will be amazed at the crap that had collected in there.
Stage 2
Run some heavy gauge cable via a fuse direct to a relay near the lamp. Use a solid state relay like an M-Relay if possible. Now use the original wires to switch the relay. This reduces the losses through the original thin cable, various connections and the switches, you will seed a noticeable difference in output with negligible extra load.
Stage 3
Now you can consider if you need higher performance lamps, if you skip stages 1&2 you'll put a lot more strain on your alternator, Battery and all the associated systems.
Post like a boss
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on September 10, 2015, 12:12:04 AM
Stage 1
Take your reflector units out and clean them. No seriously, clan the inside of the lens and reflector with mild detergent, make up some cleaning tips with rags and some thin wood like chop sticks. Don't use metal or be over aggressive to avoid damage. You can also heat and bend an old toothbrush. You will be amazed at the crap that had collected in there.
Stage 2
Run some heavy gauge cable via a fuse direct to a relay near the lamp. Use a solid state relay like an M-Relay if possible. Now use the original wires to switch the relay. This reduces the losses through the original thin cable, various connections and the switches, you will seed a noticeable difference in output with negligible extra load.
Stage 3
Now you can consider if you need higher performance lamps, if you skip stages 1&2 you'll put a lot more strain on your alternator, Battery and all the associated systems.
Total Noob when it comes to electrical systems in bikes, but I will see if I can do this. Will have to locate the relay. Any chance you have a picture of what it looks like and where it lives? Thanks for the great advice. Would rather not put an extra strain on the alternator if I can help it but I thought these new bulbs took less power to run than the traditional halogens? No?
Thanks again for the solid advice!!!
Chris :notworthy
Now I should have been a bit clearer in that this was very generic advice rather than Girly specific, one of our specialists will be along shortly for guidance.
Start with a good clean, I suggest doing one side first and then you will be able to compare the difference. You might be thinking of HID's http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,8906.0.html which is a different ball game.
In theory a 55/60 is a 55/60 and should draw the same load but my trust ammeter has shown differently
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on September 10, 2015, 03:12:15 PM
Now I should have been a bit clearer in that this was very generic advice rather than Girly specific, one of our specialists will be along shortly for guidance.
Start with a good clean, I suggest doing one side first and then you will be able to compare the difference. You might be thinking of HID's http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,8906.0.html which is a different ball game.
In theory a 55/60 is a 55/60 and should draw the same load but my trust ammeter has shown differently
Okay...gotcha. Ill start with the cleaning. I am constantly overdriving the low beams and it has gotten quite dangerous. Looking forward to correcting this issue as I am required to drive at night due to my occupation and commute ;)
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on September 10, 2015, 12:12:04 AM
Stage 2
Run some heavy gauge cable via a fuse direct to a relay near the lamp. Use a solid state relay like an M-Relay if possible. Now use the original wires to switch the relay. This reduces the losses through the original thin cable, various connections and the switches, you will seed a noticeable difference in output with negligible extra load.
This will be a challenge for me as I have no idea what the relay looks like...lol. Sorry. :icon_confused: But sounds like I would need another relay. Where would one find this?
Something like this?
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KEL4LG/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687742&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000VU5FPE&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0A3FADQK2YFT4VKMDAEX (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004KEL4LG/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_dp_ss_1?pf_rd_p=1944687742&pf_rd_s=lpo-top-stripe-1&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_i=B000VU5FPE&pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_r=0A3FADQK2YFT4VKMDAEX)
that'll do!
I'll try to draw up a bit of a diagram to help you.
Edit: I've removed the drawing because guiding a newb through doing both headlamps is going to take some thinking about. do the relay thing I suggested first.
Yebbut dont Girlies already use relays for the headlights?
A ride to Wales last winter in the dark put me off night riding completely.Of course being a lazy person I have done nothing about improving my lights and I now find myself leaving for work in the dark in a morning.
The Girly headlight circuits are not exactly straight forward because Triumph remove one relay so that one lamp is lit on dip but the other is lit on main beam. Since you don't know where the relay is I'm assuming you've not upgraded it to light both lamps on dip and both on main beam???
There's a load of info on here about which replay to buy as some of the cheap ones can drain your battery by introducing a voltage leak. Fitting it is plug and play, the socket is behind a rubber sock under the front cowl on the left side. If you reach under the dashboard against the cowl edge you'll feel it. The relay can be fitted without removing the cowl but it is easier if you can see what you're doing.
Having done that and the cleaning, if you're still not happy., then we'll get on with Sin's wiring suggestion.
I'm guessing there's a good reason why you aren't considering just fitting a couple of LED driving lamps???
Quote from: trophydave on September 10, 2015, 08:58:58 PM
Yebbut dont Girlies already use relays for the headlights?
A ride to Wales last winter in the dark put me off night riding completely.Of course being a lazy person I have done nothing about improving my lights and I now find myself leaving for work in the dark in a morning.
Yes Dave, but have you looked at how thin the loom wiring is?? It's a wonder we don't have fires. The thicker wire direct from the battery removes a significant voltage drop.
Agreed,the wiring is like cotton.That and the fact that our bikes are getting on a bit now cant help.There is some stuff over on the triumphrat site by D'Escosse about upgrading headlamp wiring but I havnt had a proper read of it yet.
OK well I just purchased a set of PIAA, powersport bulbs, H4 xtreme white plus, 60W/55W. I was told that these will have the same draw as my stock bulbs but will be brighter and shouldn't affect the operation of my other electrical systems, etc...
Is this true? Can I get away with this for now or should I be focused on the relay and setting that system up?
Be sure you know which fuses to pull quickly just in case.
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on September 10, 2015, 11:37:02 PM
Be sure you know which fuses to pull quickly just in case.
Oh Jeezuz!!! Well that doesn't instill much confidence. lol
Well Vince said he was currently using these bulbs in both his 2005 Girly and 800 Tiger with no issues.
Quote from: Grambo on September 10, 2015, 11:45:43 PM
Well Vince said he was currently using these bulbs in both his 2005 Girly and 800 Tiger with no issues.
Quote from: Grambo on September 10, 2015, 11:12:39 PM
OK well I just purchased a set of PIAA, powersport bulbs, H4 xtreme white plus, 60W/55W. I was told that these will have the same draw as my stock bulbs but will be brighter and shouldn't affect the operation of my other electrical systems, etc...
Is this true? Can I get away with this for now or should I be focused on the relay and setting that system up?
well speak of the devil I just plugged them in on my 55 plate 955i tigger
and the same on my 800 tigger
no mods
been in the 800 for over a year no problems
in the 955i fo two years
perhaps I'm just lucky :bug_eye :kboom
cheers vince :occasion14
:pottytrain2 :pottytrain2
Happy with the performance Vince?
Chris ;)
definitely brighter in both bikes
so impressed I took them out of the 955i when I sold it as I'm a tight git
and put them in the 800
the 8oo had good lights any way but the pia's made them better
cheers vince
Quote from: vince on September 10, 2015, 11:57:15 PM
definitely brighter in both bikes
so impressed I took them out of the 955i when I sold it as I'm a tight git
and put them in the 800
the 8oo had good lights any way but the pia's made them better
cheers vince
Fantastic!!!
Im still going to try to cobb together the relay system and see how i do with that. I have found some more information about it and think it is something I can handle, but the bulbs for now will at least be an improvement over my current situation. Thanks for your help with that Sin!!! I have found some pictures online of the system you described and am sure it is something I can do. No easy task getting to these bulbs though is it with the Tiger???
So you already have both lamps working?
usa ............
Quote from: Bixxer Bob on September 11, 2015, 11:59:42 PM
So you already have both lamps working?
Both lamps working just dim as hell. Will install the new bulbs next week.
I've been using these for the last year. They are crazy bright, and help conserve the watts for other uses.
http://advrider.com/index.php?threads/led-headlight-bulb-replacement-modules.948701/
Went for the LED's cuz it makes me feel fancy. :pimp
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00VNBEJ1G?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=od_aui_detailpages00
So far I'm pleased with them.
as someone gave me the idea here, I washed the inside of my headlamp. OK I do a lot of gravel roads but it is surprising how much dirt can get in. I filled it with water and soap, put a few paper towels in and move it around to be sure it wipe everywhere. In may case, it made a good difference. I'll fit 4000lm led bulb in. will post picture soon.
Quote from: klingklang on October 06, 2015, 02:03:53 PM
as someone gave me the idea here, I washed the inside of my headlamp. OK I do a lot of gravel roads but it is surprising how much dirt can get in. I filled it with water and soap, put a few paper towels in and move it around to be sure it wipe everywhere. In may case, it made a good difference. I'll fit 4000lm led bulb in. will post picture soon.
Couldn't figure out how to get the lenses off. They had three black clips that seemed to hold it in place. I popped them off but was still unable to get the lenses off. ??
QuoteCouldn't figure out how to get the lenses off. They had three black clips that seemed to hold it in place. I popped them off but was still unable to get the lenses off. ??
I did not remove the lens. I took the whole assembly and removed the bulbs. Fill it with water and soap and put some scott towels in. With your finger in the hole :icon_redface:, you grab the paper and turn it around. remove everything and rinse it with hot water and let dry.
Quote from: klingklang on October 07, 2015, 02:43:07 PM
I did not remove the lens. I took the whole assembly and removed the bulbs. Fill it with water and soap and put some scott towels in. With your finger in the hole :icon_redface:, you grab the paper and turn it around. remove everything and rinse it with hot water and let dry.
Oh...ok got you
I was driving myself nuts...lol. Those retainer clips do nothing apparently. I will try that next season
Thanks for the tip
Chris :thumbsup
Did the soapy water come out pretty dirty? :nod
a little bit, more obvious on the wipe. To check before, I've pass my pinky inside and then I saw trough the lens the trace I left in the dusted reflector