Hi Guys,
I'm getting better with my bike mechanics but I just not very good with electrics.
I've got an MOT coming up but the horns aren't working.
Where would you suggest I start to resolve this?
Cheers,
Dan
Had the same problem yesterday. Make sure that the wiring connectors at the horn are not crudded up, and are in fact connected. :icon_wink:
buy a new set of them
it's the horns themselves that quit working
to prove it just put a multi meter or even attach a light bulb to the horn wires and push the button if alls well the light will come on
Brilliant guys !
Ok I'll start there.
If I need to buy new ones where can I get them from?
:thumbsup
If there is a current try adjusting the tension on the cone centre nut, i.e. tune the cone tension. Dirt / corrosion etc can put them out of tune.
Here's my experience:
http://www.tigertriple.com/forum/index.php/topic,14825.0.html
Quote from: BruKen on May 05, 2016, 04:43:46 PM
If there is a current try adjusting the tension on the cone centre nut, i.e. tune the cone tension. Dirt / corrosion etc can put them out of tune.
that never seems to work for long with any of the dozen or so triumph horns I've had that sound more like sick farm creatures than a friggin horn
I'll adjust , it sounds good then a few days later .......bleaaaaaat bzzzzzz nothing .
cheapest horns triumph could source obviously , pretty sure they are Nikko's
check ebay..................
http://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?_odkw=nikko+horn&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xnikko+horn+triumph+tiger.TRS0&_nkw=nikko+horn+triumph+tiger&_sacat=0
Hi guys,
GREAT posts thank you.
If I was to replace them I see the Hella Supertones horns are loud how ever they only come with the red covers.
Are there any other horns you guys have experience of that are good and in black?
Cheers,
Dan
Stebel Nautilus Compact horn
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorcycle-Nautilus-Compact-Loud-Horn/dp/B0067M6K7W
Make yourself heard :bug_eye
Quote from: BruKen on May 05, 2016, 06:01:06 PM
Stebel Nautilus Compact horn
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorcycle-Nautilus-Compact-Loud-Horn/dp/B0067M6K7W
Make yourself heard :bug_eye
BruKen thats NUTS !!
Thats massive ! I'm not going to fit that !!
Any other sensible options?
I just fitted a pair of Fiamms from the ebays from a BMW in place of my originals, and with a little creative bending of the brackets, the fit in the same place. Much throatier and suggest a bigger vehicle.
If yours are FUBAR, you can have my original squawkers for the price of postage. They work, but in London traffic there a bit pointless against a sea of 4X4's
Quote from: Danwarb on May 05, 2016, 06:12:38 PM
BruKen thats NUTS !!
Thats massive ! I'm not going to fit that !!
Any other sensible options?
Naw man. They're the dog's danglies. Plenty room under the fairings for one. I'd fit my boat's horns but they're too big. Thing about a bike's horn, if you ever going to be bothered to use them, and especially on a bike, you want whoever you are hooting at to sit up and take notice, otherwise, why bother? You got fingers to show ire and discontent haven't you?
Quote from: Danwarb on May 05, 2016, 05:35:42 PM
If I was to replace them I see the Hella Supertones horns are loud how ever they only come with the red covers.
Rattle can satin black.
Quote from: BruKen on May 05, 2016, 06:54:09 PM
Naw man. They're the dog's danglies. Plenty room under the fairings for one. I'd fit my boat's horns but they're too big. Thing about a bike's horn, if you ever going to be bothered to use them, and especially on a bike, you want whoever you are hooting at to sit up and take notice, otherwise, why bother? You got fingers to show ire and discontent haven't you?
Where have you fitted yours?
Is it easy to wire in and fit or do I need a special bracket?
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on May 05, 2016, 10:39:07 PM
Rattle can satin black.
It's definitely a good idea though I wonder if they come part and reassemble well so I can just spray the covers?
Quote from: Danwarb on May 06, 2016, 11:34:51 PM
It's definitely a good idea though I wonder if they come part and reassemble well so I can just spray the covers?
Don't :nono they'll never work right again if you do that, just trust me on this one :icon_redface:
Quote from: BruKen on May 05, 2016, 06:01:06 PM
Stebel Nautilus Compact horn
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Motorcycle-Nautilus-Compact-Loud-Horn/dp/B0067M6K7W
Make yourself heard :bug_eye
Hi BruKen,
I'm thinking of going for what you suggest and buying this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUNDELY-Nautilus-Air-Horn-12-volt-139dB-Car-Black-Bike-Motorcycle-Truck-/281494975158?hash=item418a6872b6:g:bW4AAOSwn51UYutg
What do you think?
Is it fairly straight forward to fit?
:ear
You all know, of course, that we're barking up the wrong tree here. What we need to do is knock the baffles out of our exhaust pipes and make our bikes obnoxiously loud, all the time. After all "Loud Pipes Save Lives!!" :qgaraduate
:*&*
Hi BruKen,
I'm thinking of going for what you suggest and buying this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUNDELY-Nautilus-Air-Horn-12-volt-139dB-Car-Black-Bike-Motorcycle-Truck-/281494975158?hash=item418a6872b6:g:bW4AAOSwn51UYutg
What do you think?
Is it fairly straight forward to fit?
:ear
Quote from: Danwarb on May 08, 2016, 12:53:37 PM
Hi BruKen,
I'm thinking of going for what you suggest and buying this one:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SUNDELY-Nautilus-Air-Horn-12-volt-139dB-Car-Black-Bike-Motorcycle-Truck-/281494975158?hash=item418a6872b6:g:bW4AAOSwn51UYutg
What do you think?
Is it fairly straight forward to fit?
:ear
Steady on there... you may be paying nearly double for the same thing;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152024716490?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
But as you were prepared to pay that amount then I'd be tempted to go for a more established brand name:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322036437406?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Quote from: JayDub on May 08, 2016, 01:23:38 PM
Steady on there... you may be paying nearly double for the same thing;
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/152024716490?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
But as you were prepared to pay that amount then I'd be tempted to go for a more established brand name:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/322036437406?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
Hi JayDub,
Thanks for this.
Will this horn be easy to fit?
I see the ends of the wires from the main electrical loom have those little sockets on them that slot on to the contacts on to the original Steamer horns. I'm sure it's not just going to be a matter of plug and play with this horn?
Can you think of any other options that might be better but still plug and play?
Let me send my originals to you, for testing/ keeping if working??
Quote from: London_Phil on May 08, 2016, 04:07:34 PM
Let me send my originals to you, for testing/ keeping if working??
Hi Phil,
Your such a star. Thank you very much for your offer but I won't need them after all !
I found out that its the horn button that a bit dicky ! If press it to one side slightly it works fine !
:mut
I'm still interested to replace them for something louder though . . .
Quote from: Danwarb on May 08, 2016, 03:35:44 PM
Hi JayDub,
Thanks for this.
Will this horn be easy to fit?
I see the ends of the wires from the main electrical loom have those little sockets on them that slot on to the contacts on to the original Steamer horns. I'm sure it's not just going to be a matter of plug and play with this horn?
Can you think of any other options that might be better but still plug and play?
I doubt they would come without a relay as there's a compressor motor built in which would use relatively more power, so would ideally need a direct feed (through the relay) so as not to overheat the standard wiring. I don't know how much experience you have of auto wiring, but if you're unsure I would advise having someone who knows what they're doing fit it. The alternative would be the electromagnetic type, which are usually plug and play but louder usually means bigger than standard, so that causes other problems as its often necessary to adapt or make up brackets, also there are different connections such as single or double spade connectors, and some even earth through the bracket - which you don't want.
I also noticed that the cheap one on ebay is advertised as being 139Db, but thats measured at 4 inches away, and at 1 metre its almost the same as an average horn at 115Db...
TBH, I saw one of the Nautilus style (they're no longer made btw) ones fitted to a bike on the r/h side of the engine, and it was huge... and ugly, 150mm x 110mm x 70mm I think. You could hide it behind the cockpit fairing?
BMW and Audi cars have louder and also clearer horns, but again, you have to consider the size, the polarity, and that they have two connectors.
Quote from: JayDub on May 08, 2016, 08:43:29 PM
I doubt they would come without a relay as there's a compressor motor built in which would use relatively more power, so would ideally need a direct feed (through the relay) so as not to overheat the standard wiring. I don't know how much experience you have of auto wiring, but if you're unsure I would advise having someone who knows what they're doing fit it. The alternative would be the electromagnetic type, which are usually plug and play but louder usually means bigger than standard, so that causes other problems as its often necessary to adapt or make up brackets, also there are different connections such as single or double spade connectors, and some even earth through the bracket - which you don't want.
I also noticed that the cheap one on ebay is advertised as being 139Db, but thats measured at 4 inches away, and at 1 metre its almost the same as an average horn at 115Db...
TBH, I saw one of the Nautilus style (they're no longer made btw) ones fitted to a bike on the r/h side of the engine, and it was huge... and ugly, 150mm x 110mm x 70mm I think. You could hide it behind the cockpit fairing?
BMW and Audi cars have louder and also clearer horns, but again, you have to consider the size, the polarity, and that they have two connectors.
Hi JayDub,
Thanks for your post here I've learned a lot.
I've decided to keep a look out for a pair in the same style as the originals but in better quality and louder. Something like these:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Universal-12V-Car-SUV-Truck-Motorcycle-ATV-Electric-Loud-Dual-Tone-115db-Horns-/111915153825?hash=item1a0ea9b9a1:g:fvIAAOSwe7BWzYNe
Saying this I've no idea how good they'd be till I fitted them.
You may have noticed that they are both the same tone? 1 Hi/1 Lo is more noticeable :augie
(Psst... buy a well known make :icon_wink: Hella ,Ring, Fiamm etc)
Be wary, there are a lot of knock off so called "Stebel" around, everyyone I've seen comes with a relay but most are the same junk the horns themselves are made of. From my own experience, not measured, a good quality pair of two tone electromag horns are just as effective, the idea is to get noticed and the sound from a squeaky air horn doesn't always work IMHO.
I've fitted a few of these (Genuine Stebel), they are bulky, you will struggle to get a good location. Do NOT fit them to a crash bar or low down, they suck water just like they suck air and then they really are junk. I've fitted a couple by splitting the horn away from the compressor and fitting the compressor in a protected position but this may, by your own admission, beyond your current skill level. If you really must have an air horn then I'd stronly recommend buying a Denali Sound Bomb, that is designed with a split compressor and you have the brand backup.
For my money, a pair of Hella's fit into the stock location, properly adjusted will clear everything, draw no more current than the originals, and are effective at getting noticed. The supplied bracket might need a few mm ground off the bracket ends to allow adjustment, DON'T make other brackets, the supplied are multi layer spring steel, a solid bracket has a detrimental effect on the sound tone, don't ask me to explain that one. Don't be put off by the fact they are made in India, you'll be hard pushed to find an electromag horn or Tannoy type coil wound loudspeaker that ins't made in Gahndiland.
Great post Sin thank you. You totally answered what I was looking for.
I'll add this to the list as well !
:thumbsup
HI Sin,
I see these are the ones in your photos:
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=151679753497&globalID=EBAY-GB
What about these other alternatives by Hella?
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&alt=web&id=151679753822&globalID=EBAY-GB
I'd stick with the disc ones, two reasons.
The reason for the horn in cars is that they're usually located inside the engine bay and need to direct the sound pressure waves outside, bikes don't generally have that problem so the "horn" is redundant.
The added bulk of the horn will probably give you problems positioning them so as not to foul the fork tubes or rubbing against the side panels.
Quote from: Sin_Tiger on May 11, 2016, 12:59:10 AM
I'd stick with the disc ones, two reasons.
The reason for the horn in cars is that they're usually located inside the engine bay and need to direct the sound pressure waves outside, bikes don't generally have that problem so the "horn" is redundant.
The added bulk of the horn will probably give you problems positioning them so as not to foul the fork tubes or rubbing against the side panels.
Yes got it Sin. I'm clear on this now. Thanks so much.
:occasion14
Sorry, this thread dropped off my radar
You're all party poopers. A relay and a bit of wire to the battery going to cost a fiver. I hate loud pipes, give me a headache on long trips and anti social. But when I blow the horn I want obnoxious. I want it to say in no uncertain terms exactly what I'm feeling. It must be the exclamation mark behind my rudimentary sign language and when I'm in the groove it must signal my arrival :wings
But listen to Sin, he knows what he's on about, you don't get to be a miserable old bastid without learning a trick or two. I'm just hangin on to what little of the original reprobate still resides in me :__