Tiger redesign wish list

[dag221]

1- Better/bigger  windscreen /front end to lessen the buffeting and noise.

2- Flatter seat so you don't slide up and nearly sit on the gas tank.

3- Shaft drive

4- Centerstand ...as long as it's well designed ( out of the way in corners)

5- better brakes ...especially rear ( I have a 99 and even with new pads

     it's not the most confidence inspriring ) not a big deal really.

6- less noisy less high reving tuned motor. something that doesn't sound like

its about to detonate above  5.5 k rpm.

7- honda st1300 motor....see # 6 ....maybe even a 1000 cc....i'm not greedy.

[skoron]

What about functional ABS?  (optional)



Agree with comments from others, but also would like to see Triumph put some real thought into their engineering.  Make the bike easier to maintain too (drive sprockets, chain maintanence, filters, etc.).  Oh, and it has to stay a Triple!!



Skoron

[blacktiger]

More leg room for us ultra-tall types.

Redesign seat.

Someplace to hang some highway-pegs.

I can't see the turn signal light in the sun.

Accurate fuel guage.

$1000 hard cases should be freakin' waterproof!



BMSBIKE



'02 Black (Hobbes)



BTW: I love the tiger stripes / eye-lashes!

[RedMenace]

1- Better/bigger  windscreen /front end to lessen the buffeting and noise.

2- Flatter seat so you don't slide up and nearly sit on the gas tank.

3- Shaft drive

4- Centerstand ...as long as it's well designed ( out of the way in corners)

5- better brakes ...especially rear ( I have a 99 and even with new pads

     it's not the most confidence inspriring ) not a big deal really.

6- less noisy less high reving tuned motor. something that doesn't sound like

its about to detonate above  5.5 k rpm.

7- honda st1300 motor....see # 6 ....maybe even a 1000 cc....i'm not greedy.

sounds like you really don't want a Tiger.



I like the chain drive-easier to regear, easier to moniter for wear, cheaper to fix.

I like the motor-sweet spot seems to be around 6500, pulls from about 3500- not really high reving unless you compare it to a harley or some such antiquated design.

The 950 is already pushing wretched excess for a dualsport bike -1300? you must be joking!

The brakes are about right for less than stellar road  surfaces; went riding with some GS boys over the weekend and they turned the ABS off after they remembered to- it's counterproductive in the loose stuff

The seat and the buffetting don't seem like a problem on my steamer, but I did my apprenticeship on unfaired Brit iron from the sixties and seventies- complaints about noise, vibration and buffetting sound like the mewling of spoiled candyassed pansies to me :P



I would like to see Triumph improve the design from a home maintanance perspective, improve the suspension(can we have adjustments to increase the ground clearance too?) fix some of the stupid economies they built into the bike(such as the fragile fuel disconnects in the EFI bikes, and the fasteners that tend to round off or pull the threaded inserts)

Tubeless rims would be OK if they can get the spoked design-cast wheels are not suitable for the rough. I would like to see them make a full on Dakar style bike and maybe a motard model to address the two camps-street oriented and dirt oriented dualies.

[skoron]

Red



What, no factory installed side car option?



Skoron

[burntclutch]

ummm...my wish list?





The new chassis with the skin of the Steamer. :P







or at least sealed rims

Redesigned body work.

Crash bars.

Firmer front forks



When I park my bike..people think it's a tank. I will only replace my '98 with one that has that same effect and feel.

[RedMenace]

Red



What, no factory installed side car option?



Skoron

Nope. It would be fun, of course, but Triumph is already sorta a niche in the market. I would be the first to admit: sidecars are not for everyone :lol:

[raych]

Shaft drive.  Why do bike manufacturers still make us put up with chains?  They're completely inappropriate except for specialised racing machines.

[RedMenace]

Shaft drive.  Why do bike manufacturers still make us put up with chains?  They're completely inappropriate except for specialised racing machines.

Why do you say that? Modern chains will last many thousands of miles without problems, adjustment on the Tiger is dead simple, lubing and inspection are easy. If you have ever done the spline lube and lash adjustment recommended by BMW as routine maintanance, or suffered a final drive or driveshaft failure you might think twice about a shaft drive being the end all and be all design.

For a long travel suspension, for ease of changing drive ratios, for light weight and minimal power loss, for simplicity of design the chain drive seems to be superior.

[RedMenace]

Check out this thread, 'specially towards the end. Sounds like BMW still hasn't got it right!

Have a friend who had an Airhead GS with the paralever. If I remember correctly he lost the tranny, the driveshaft and the final drive at different times. He strikes me as being fairly meticulous about upkeep and tho he did long rides, he doesn't flog the bike offroad. His bikes are always clean and well kept. He has had a couple BMWs since that one but is thinking seriously about the newmonster Triumph cruiser. Shaft drive too(slow learner, that one) :roll:



http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24252

[RedMenace]

I clipped this from the ADVrider thread; let me go a little further. TRIUMPH, if you are listening, PLEASE DO NOT GIVE US A BMW STYLE SHAFT DRIVE ADVENTURE BIKE! The problems these guys saw with the clutch drive mirrors what I have seen with the older /2~/6 Airheads- ya gotta pull the final drive and ass end off the bike and drop the transmission to lube the clutch splines at least annually. Final drive bearing failures are not uncommon. I will stick with a wet clutch and chain and sprockets, thank you. Much easier to inspect and service.Even on the Steamer, with it's idiotic sprocket cover that requires you drain the oil to check or service the front sprocket and dumps all the mud that lodged behind the sprocket into the sump when you remove it-WHAT WERE YOU THINKING?



Re: Phone call from BMW NA - rear drive failure



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Said GSAnderson:

So there I was, trying to get some work done this afternoon. The phone rings and the caller says she's from from BMW and asks about the rear drive bearing failure I had on my GS and the thread about it I posted on a discussion board. I ask "Which board?" and she tells me ADVRider. It seems their "internet team" alerted her to my post.



I go on to explain about my '03 Adventure and the rear drive bearing failure I experienced last week with just under 22K on the odometer. I told her about my '00 RT and its rear drive bearing failure last year at 48K. I mention I bought BMW for the reputation of reliability and that I wanted a bike with which I could cross the country with confidence and ride 100K miles without a major mechanical failure. I told her my dealer (Moon Motors in Monticello) has done a great job repairing these two failures, and I was very satisfied with them.



Well, BMW is lurking. Welcome to the asylum.  Open a beer. Listen to your customers. Fix our bikes.

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Well, kudos to BMW I guess for tuning into the discussion boards. They must realize that it is an invaluable source of information on customer opinions.



I'm in the same boat. I've been a long time BMW motorcycle owner, but I'm seriuosly thinking of dumping my GS and going Japanese (or English or Italian). I've owned three BMWs and two of them have experienced failures of the splines on the input shaft of the transmission. The latest is on my 2002 1150GS with 28k miles on it. A good part of those miles were highway miles. Those clutch splines should have looked like new when I took the tranny out just to lube them. The wrench at the dealer told me that they should be lubed every 40 k miles. I've never seen anything in writing that says anything about a service interval on the spline lube, but I figured I'd go ahead and do it anyway. I figured I was being ultra conservative doing it at 28k miles. I expected the splines to look like new. I was shocked to find out that they were very nearly shot. A couple thousand more miles tops and I'd have been walking. This after just getting back from a 6,000 mile romp around the country in mostly sparsely populated areas without a BMW dealer anywhere to be seen. If those splines had given up out there, it would have turned a long anticipated vacation into a nightmare.



The bad thing is that I can't come up with any explanation for the failure. I can accept that sometimes things go wrong, and motorcycles get put together wrong, so they fail prematurely. But there was nothing wrong. The splines were lubed at the factory. I could still see lube on the splines. I could even see where some had been slung off the slines onto the pressure plate. I don't drive the bike hard. I ride very conservatively. No wheelies. No (OK almost no) jack-rabbit starts. Like I said, a good deal of the miles were highway miles that should have put almost no wear on the clutch splines. The clutch probably had the equivalent of 15 or 20 k miles of in town driving.



As a bonus, I found that the two final drive pivot bearings were shot too. Same story. I could see that they were lubed at the factory, but they wore out anyway. I could understand it if I did a large amount of off road riding, but I am ashamed to admit that I used it very little off road. No reason for them to fail, but they did.



I know I can get a Tiger or a Vstrom for way less than a BMW. I was convinced that the legendary BMW reliability was worth the price difference. Now as my bike sits in my garage in a million pieces with the input shaft on back order (its been two weeks now, and no one can tell me when I can expect a replacement), I'm having serious second thoughts.



Worst part-

It looks to me like if I want to prevent another toasted input shaft, I will need to lube the splines about every 10k - 15k miles. Any further than that and I'd be risking wearing the splines on the input shaft. That means that at least once a year, I have to remove the transmission. That's a pretty big job. Kind of makes you start thinking about that legendary reliability.

[skoron]

New Tiger Owners





Help me with this on the new bikes.  Do you still need to drop the carbs to replace the air filter?



Do you still have to drain the oil and pull off the side cover to change the drive sprocket hiding in the motor?



Do you have to drop the swing arm to replace the chain slider?



Skoron

[OldRoadToad]

Good evening.



I should like a centre stand to be standard, and the fitment of tube less wheels would be a big plus.   Having read the stories regarding shaft failures on the big BMWs, I no longer think that shaft drive is a must, much less a big plus.  My 1976 GL1000 stranded me in the middle of Texas due to a shaft drive failure.



The problem?  A tiny circlip in the shaft housing came out when I backed up to assist some seasoned citizens.  Conversley, my GL500 was quite reliable.  It all depends upon how paranoid about failures/problems one is  (please see above reference to tube less wheels, LOL!).



The Toad :D

[Guest]

My wish list is :-



1/ Wind shield that works and is adjustable.

2/ Centre stand as standard.

3/ Heated grips as standard.

4/ Gel seat as standard.

5/ Better radiator protection.

6/ Tubeless tyres. (the BMW & Aprillia rims are [were] made by Akront in Spain) I have a GS BMW and use it off road and have never had any problems. The rest of the bike is crap, however.

7/ Adjustable forks.

8/ Forks that you can drain the oil without taking the whole lot out.

9/ More under seat storage. e.g. For a shackle lock.

10/Dedicated GPS mounts.

11/ Instruments that are visible under street lighting.

12/Chain oiler as standard.



I'll stop there as 13 could be unlucky.



Still a great bike though.

[TigerTrax]

When they put a single side swingarm on a chain drive .... they will catch my attention!